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Trump is racist, says majority of American voters

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Ask anyone that thinks Trump is racist which example immediately comes to mind and provides the clearest evidence. The answer is usually a great way to determine if they're using the clearly defined meaning of the word or a much more liberal interpretation of it (like practically all the media outlets today which are banking on confirmation bias).
 

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So weird that minority groups are doing so well in the US with such a racist president. He must totally be incompetent since he obviously wants to hurt those people but despite all that he keeps helping them.
 
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Ask anyone that thinks Trump is racist which example immediately comes to mind and provides the clearest evidence. The answer is usually a great way to determine if they're using the clearly defined meaning of the word or a much more liberal interpretation of it (like practically all the media outlets today which are banking on confirmation bias).
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Ask anyone that thinks Trump is racist which example immediately comes to mind and provides the clearest evidence. The answer is usually a great way to determine if they're using the clearly defined meaning of the word or a much more liberal interpretation of it (like practically all the media outlets today which are banking on confirmation bias).
I've actually done this a couple of times and in each case the person responded with "well look what he said about the Mexicans", actually discussing what he said about Mexicans didn't seem to have any effect on their media-fed interpretation of the soundbite.
 
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This is one of those times where we agree. As much as the conservatives like to fantasize about Trump being guaranteed to win in 2020, the reality is that he won in 2016 in part due to complacency in the voter base. There are going to be a lot of people motivated to vote against Trump in 2020, and that's going to be helped by the elimination of key Republican gerrymandering efforts.
First off, gerrymandering has no impact on national races.

And secondly, this "everything and everyone is racist" campaign strategy... it's not going to go the way that you think.

Ask anyone that thinks Trump is racist which example immediately comes to mind and provides the clearest evidence. The answer is usually a great way to determine if they're using the clearly defined meaning of the word or a much more liberal interpretation of it (like practically all the media outlets today which are banking on confirmation bias).
You most often hear "kids in cages" and "Muslim ban", or something even less substantive. At least makes it easy to identify when people have no clue what they're talking about.
 
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Trumps tweets speak louder than words at this point. Black people are not a monolith and Ali and other Black celebrities dont speak for everyone as a whole. Its pretty telling that you think a cross section of society ate inept of thinking for them selfs purely because of the colour of their skin.
Oh, please. The black community has been represented by people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for years. Every white person knows these men are race baiters who just want their names in the papers. But blacks fall for it every time.

Just like when they vote Democrat over and over again expecting a different result. Then they turn around and complain about white people and the republicans being the source of all their problems. White democrats maybe, but the republicans aren't don't even get a chance to fuck them over or help them.

But who cares, because Orange man bad. White man bad. Republican bad. Black Republican VERY bad!
 

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More than half (51%) of US voters think that US President Donald Trump is racist, according to a poll by Quinnipiac University released earlier this week.
Responses are reported for 1,306 self-identified registered voters with a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.4 percentage points,

so the conclusion this reaches, that 51% think he is racist, is within the margin of error admitted by the very poll. the margin of error is over 3%, so that 51% could really be 48%. statistically it could be less than half or more than half.

this poll is basically a glass if half full/half empty situation. an ink blot. you see what you want.
 
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he probably is racist in his personal life but if it doesn't bleed into his policy it's hard to care.
 

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For me... The proof of his "racism" (and I use that term lightly with Trump) was his birtherism (yes, I know that it stemmed from a comment Clinton made in the early parts of the 2008 campaign cycle)...

I've said it before .. he's more opportunist than racist. He will stoke fear and paranoia and then hide the poker and deny everything.

I'm not going by talking heads... I'm going by his tweets and what he said with his own mouth. I don't need pundits to tell me what to think. Just like I doubt most of you need Fox News hosts to tell you how to view anything.

We're intelligent enough to think for ourselves.
 
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First off, gerrymandering has no impact on national races.

And secondly, this "everything and everyone is racist" campaign strategy... it's not going to go the way that you think.
What are you talking about? Gerrymandering for congressional districts was a major point of contention in the 2016 and 2018 federal elections.

And never mind the individual charges of racism -- the fact is that hatred for Trump fuelled the Democrats' success in 2018, and midterms are normally down years for voter turnout. You can expect an amplified version of that in 2020, and that will likely include non-white voters showing up in force.
 

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For me... The proof of his "racism" (and I use that term lightly with Trump) was his birtherism (yes, I know that it stemmed from a comment Clinton made in the early parts of the 2008 campaign cycle)...

I've said it before .. he's more opportunist than racist. He will stoke fear and paranoia and then hide the poker and deny everything.
Its worth realizing that every single (not even just recently) republican nominated for president against a democrat has been called racist by democrats,
this simply implies there was no possible reality and no possible republican candidate for president in 2016 who would have not been called racist by democrats (ok i give you ben carson lol) and their extension in media/softpower.
With this fact in mind i think you are wrong and its the other way around imo
The left media stoke fears about trump via half truths and lies ala kava, russia, blaming trump for mass shootings, projecting ww3 because of him, projecting economic ruin, war with nk, muh children in cages, war with china, rounding up minorities etc. the amount of miss reporting and end of the world fantasies the media simply made up and attached to trump is pretty wild and they have blasted this for 3 years in everyone's face and gee... what a shock it has a effect on people who would have thought lol
 
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What are you talking about? Gerrymandering for congressional districts was a major point of contention in the 2016 and 2018 federal elections.

And never mind the individual charges of racism -- the fact is that hatred for Trump fuelled the Democrats' success in 2018, and midterms are normally down years for voter turnout. You can expect an amplified version of that in 2020, and that will likely include non-white voters showing up in force.
You said shutting down Republican gerrymandering efforts would help defeat Trump in 2020. Gerrymandering has zero impact on nationwide (or statewide for that matter) races. You didn't say anything about congressional races. (Leaving aside your nonsense implication that only Republicans engage in gerrymandering.)

As for the rest of your post, we shall see. I doubt the situation on the ground matches up with what the media portrays. In reality the Democrats don't have a strong candidate, and their race to get as far left as they can will hurt their general election chances.

Personally I kind of don't have a horse in this race. I don't particularly love Trump, and there's a limit on how much damage any given Democrat can do since Republicans are very likely to hold onto the Senate. And the plus side to an insane democrat being elected would be that we could get an actual solid (non-Trump) Republican in there in 2024, maybe somebody like Rand Paul, whereas after 8 years of Trump it'd probably be a taller order.
 

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For me... The proof of his "racism" (and I use that term lightly with Trump) was his birtherism (yes, I know that it stemmed from a comment Clinton made in the early parts of the 2008 campaign cycle)...

I've said it before .. he's more opportunist than racist. He will stoke fear and paranoia and then hide the poker and deny everything.

I'm not going by talking heads... I'm going by his tweets and what he said with his own mouth. I don't need pundits to tell me what to think. Just like I doubt most of you need Fox News hosts to tell you how to view anything.

We're intelligent enough to think for ourselves.
Okay we got an incident we can discuss.

What about this birther thing is racist? Let's get into the nitty gritty here.

I really want to get down I to the dirt and see if this is real, or if it's been blown out of proportion.
 

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You said shutting down Republican gerrymandering efforts would help defeat Trump in 2020. Gerrymandering has zero impact on nationwide (or statewide for that matter) races. You didn't say anything about congressional races. (Leaving aside your nonsense implication that only Republicans engage in gerrymandering.)

As for the rest of your post, we shall see. I doubt the situation on the ground matches up with what the media portrays. In reality the Democrats don't have a strong candidate, and their race to get as far left as they can will hurt their general election chances.

Personally I kind of don't have a horse in this race. I don't particularly love Trump, and there's a limit on how much damage any given Democrat can do since Republicans are very likely to hold onto the Senate. And the plus side to an insane democrat being elected would be that we could get an actual solid (non-Trump) Republican in there in 2024, maybe somebody like Rand Paul, whereas after 8 years of Trump it'd probably be a taller order.
I should clarify: defeating Trump in 2020 also includes reducing the Republicans' influence in Congress. You're right about the districting, though, my apologies. And I didn't say that "only" Republicans engage in gerrymandering, but there is evidence that they've been the primary perpetrators of gerrymandering since around 2010.

Never mind the media -- look at historical data and the broader poll consensus. The Dems orchestrated a gigantic flip of the House that included a large increase in voter turnout (despite midterms usually being bad for this), and I don't think their position was fundamentally different than it is now. And on polling, while we know that you can't completely trust the results, the fact remains that most X vs. Trump polls show Biden or Sanders winning, in some cases by significant margins. And as noted before, the majority of non-whites (particularly black people) are opposed to Trump. If they come out to vote in large numbers, and there's a real chance that they will, that's not good for Trump.
 

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Most conservatives think a racist is someone who hates a race or views them as inferior. The case for Donald Trump as a racist is very weak by that standard.

Most liberals claim that is the dictionary definition, but apply the term very broadly. A large proportion consider any Republican to be racist automatically. Any white politician who criticizes a minority is a racist. Any statement that sort of matches something they consider to be a trope makes you a racist.

In related news, the #FinePeopleHoax has been making the rounds on twitter again.
 
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So we've determined that at least 51% of Americans are functionally brain dead.

Not that surprising. It's probably more.
 

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What are you talking about? Gerrymandering for congressional districts was a major point of contention in the 2016 and 2018 federal elections.

And never mind the individual charges of racism -- the fact is that hatred for Trump fuelled the Democrats' success in 2018, and midterms are normally down years for voter turnout. You can expect an amplified version of that in 2020, and that will likely include non-white voters showing up in force.
Hatred is the key word and I'm glad you used it. It's a destructive state of mind, especially when allowed to fester over prolonged periods of time.

Trump started his campaign with inflammatory language and used it from time to time via tweets and at rallies, he's guilty of that much even though the mainstream networks were still able to cover him favorably for weeks following that launch. A reasonable person can laugh at or criticize him for that language and move on with the rest of their day, but the media wasn't letting the country (or the world) do that. The hatred was a fire that the Dems and the media poured gasoline onto every single hour of every single day for three years.

Usually after a hard-fought election campaign the attacks stop, the country is allowed to mend and the two parties go about trying to do what's best for everyone. That was never allowed to happen after 2016 because of the ridiculously overblown Russian collusion story, a successful attempt to label a travel ban covering 7 countries as a "Muslim ban" and then again successfully edited his condemnation of white nationalists, KKK and neo-Nazis at Charlottesville to sound like he was instead calling them very fine people (that lie still persists). Then there was Stormy Daniels, the Creepy Porn Lawyer and that unbelievable Kavanaugh fiasco where the media painted him as a sexist, misogynist and even the devil incarnate possibly bringing about "a 1,000 year reich" according to MSNBC, all because he was given the opportunity to nominate a second Supreme Court judge. "Manufactured crisis," "racist wall," etc, etc.

The Dems tried to bury him and his supporters (women and minorities especially) under a mountain of smears sold by their friends in the media. Liberals bought it all hook, line and sinker - why wouldn't they, they still couldn't get over the fact he beat Hillary - so of course they were worked up for the 2018 midterm elections. Remember this Knock the Vote campaign to sign up Dem voters before the midterms:



This is the incredibly divisive, incendiary environment the Dems wanted and they're trying to pin it all on Trump. I pity anyone that believes them because they're being taken for fools.
 
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I think it would have been more interesting if the follow-up question had been, "...and do you think that that is a bad thing or a good thing?" Have to remember that the label is actually a positive to some not-so-insignificant percentage of his base.
 
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Okay we got an incident we can discuss.

What about this birther thing is racist? Let's get into the nitty gritty here.

I really want to get down I to the dirt and see if this is real, or if it's been blown out of proportion.
In the case of birtherism... That helped fuel the Tea Party... It wasn't strictly racism or "racism". It was stoking fears of a Muslim as president. Not only that, someone who has direct ancestry from an Islamic majority country in Africa (Kenya).

Like I said previously, he is an opportunist ... Stoking fears in People to Garner a certain outcome (voting fervently for republicans or Tea Party candidates).
 

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Trump sounds nothing like a racist to me or maybe American racists are just better at hiding their racism. In my country they are pretty open about it. I don't believe in dog whistles or whatever.
 

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First off, gerrymandering has no impact on national races.

And secondly, this "everything and everyone is racist" campaign strategy... it's not going to go the way that you think.


You most often hear "kids in cages" and "Muslim ban", or something even less substantive. At least makes it easy to identify when people have no clue what they're talking about.
But race has nothing to do with kids in cages and muslims are not a race.

he probably is racist in his personal life but if it doesn't bleed into his policy it's hard to care.
Yeah he managed to hide it from every black person for 60 odd years and worked in media and fooled everyone from Oprah to Jessie Jackson and every rapper! He certainly played the long game fooling them and you until he got his chance to be president and now can start the black genocide he was craving his whole life.
 

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I think it would have been more interesting if the follow-up question had been, "...and do you think that that is a bad thing or a good thing?" Have to remember that the label is actually a positive to some not-so-insignificant percentage of his base.
Unfalsifiable claim. Day by day, I fear that the Left is more interested in preening their self-righteous feathers and namecalling their political opponents instead of actual fixing this country's problems, and you are evidence of that.
 

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Like I said previously, he is an opportunist ..
What insight, you are a real deep thinker!....Can you tell me what other politians are opportunist ? They all seem so honest and want to be transparent and never think of party or voting lines, but for the whole good of the planet. This is obviously know to everyone who follows news or politics. Well done for recognising Trump uses opportunities he can find to influence others, he probably is the first ever polititon to do so. This is real insightful knowledge.
 
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What insight, you are a real deep thinker!....Can you tell me what other politians are opportunist ? They all seem so honest and want to be transparent and never think of party or voting lines, but for the whole good of the planet. This is obviously know to everyone who follows news or politics. Well done for recognising Trump uses opportunities he can find to influence others, he probably is the first ever polititon to do so. This is real insightful knowledge.
He's an opportunist in general. Any which way to Garner power and prestige for himself. He puts his name on everything...

And most politicians are political opportunists. That's not surprising. Very few have principles that they adhere to. I can name only name one or 2 with strict principles. Maybe 5 at the most.

The only time I could legitimately call him a racist was his housing debacle from the '70s which was settled as long as he and his family adhered to the terms of the lawsuit which, btw, they tried to get out of but ultimately had to honor.
 

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I remember the days when being called a racist was one of the worst things that could happen to a person because it actually meant something.

Now you're called a racist simply because you treat people equal, not giving extra victim bucks to POCs or walking on eggshells around them, and care about your fellow citizens over non-citizens. Weird.
 
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I remember the days when being called a racist was one of the worst things that could happen to a person because it actually meant something.
This is so true. But common sense has long since gone out the window.
 

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In the case of birtherism... That helped fuel the Tea Party... It wasn't strictly racism or "racism". It was stoking fears of a Muslim as president. Not only that, someone who has direct ancestry from an Islamic majority country in Africa (Kenya).

Like I said previously, he is an opportunist ... Stoking fears in People to Garner a certain outcome (voting fervently for republicans or Tea Party candidates).
So it would seem we can put that one to bed as an example of Trumps supposed racism.

Let's get this going. I need examples of Trumps Racism.
 
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That's kind of disingenuous.

Most people see his tweets and his words from his own mouth. That's what most people form their opinions on. Not what talking heads on news shows say
Why do you think it is that barely over half of Hispanic people polled said they think Trump is a racist, while 4 out of 5 black people think he's a racist? This while Trump has arguably spoken far more harshly about Hispanic people, especially if you consider his comments about illegal immigrants and apply those to Hispanic people in general, which is something some conservatives and liberals both seem to do, albeit for different reasons.
This wasn't supposed to be me making some sort of point, btw. I'm genuinely interested to hear your opinion regarding this aspect of the poll.

We agree that Trump is an opportunist, though. But when he does say something to the effect that white supremacy and white nationalism should be condemned, people just ignore the fact that he said that anyway. I think he's often inflammatory just for the attention it brings him.
 
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He's an opportunist in general. Any which way to Garner power and prestige for himself. He puts his name on everything...

And most politicians are political opportunists. That's not surprising. Very few have principles that they adhere to. I can name only name one or 2 with strict principles. Maybe 5 at the most.

The only time I could legitimately call him a racist was his housing debacle from the '70s which was settled as long as he and his family adhered to the terms of the lawsuit which, btw, they tried to get out of but ultimately had to honor.
Evidence that he was personally aware of the discriminatory housing practices? Remember, he has his name on hundreds of projects all over the place.

The birtherism thing - he also attacked Ted Cruz' eligibility for president because he was born in Canada. If he goes after a Canadian for the same thing, it's not about race.

Those are the two things you seem to view as the strongest evidence. Everything else boils down mainly to mind-reading (assuming dog whistles), conflating race with country, and outright lies.

Highly recommend "Why Democrats Hear a Secret Dog Whistle and Republicans Don't" for people who want to at least understand where the other side comes from, and why people can look at the same information and come to opposite conclusions.
 

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You jest, but some on the crazed left actually believe that if the color of your skin is white, your automatically racist, which is idiotic to a degree that the mental gymnastics required, would give anyone scoliosis.

I'll give it to you though. So far the talley;

Trump Actual racism counter:

1.)White.
 

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I mean even 'Jesus Christ' says all Trump supporters are racists.


Checkmate!
 

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I mean even 'Jesus Christ' says all Trump supporters are racists.


Checkmate!
What explains the legality of the ending to that clip? Was it because the chair was private property, and once asked to leave it became trespassing? I believe the event was happening in a public space, so I have to think it was something like that.
 

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I mean even 'Jesus Christ' says all Trump supporters are racists.


Checkmate!
God I love Crowder. His "Change My Mind" series is awesome.
I hope he comes to Denver at some point and does another one. I would definitely sit down with him and debate and probably get totally owned. The reason why I would sit down and argue with him because I don't always agree with some of his arguments. For instance, I still think a wall would be completely ineffective and it's a complete waste of taxpayer money. Want to stymie illegal immigrants? Go after the people hiring them.
 

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I remember the days when being called a racist was one of the worst things that could happen to a person because it actually meant something.

Now you're called a racist simply because you treat people equal, not giving extra victim bucks to POCs or walking on eggshells around them, and care about your fellow citizens over non-citizens. Weird.
You sound like a racist !
 

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Even if this were true, why does it matter? Obama isn't the sitting president of the united states, so what relevance does it have?
The point being you could get that percentage for anyone who is controversial or has detractors.
 

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These polls are all pure bullshit, its all about how the questions are asked, how to interpret them.

like "do you think even somebody like donald trump could possible be a racist in his private life outside of the spotlight'

Answer, well i don't think so.

But is there a possibility that he could be a racist, just if its possible.

Answer, sure its possible

+1 racist

Next.

Then it also heavily depends on who you ask and where and if there is a clear bias to get numbers going.

For example, if only 10% think that trump is racist in a poll, does it sell to cnn that wants the bad polls about trump? and how are people going to know that we hit 51%? Yea there you go.

Some research results are more profitable and therefore keeps the lights on. It's basically the same with news outlets, pure hate sells better then actually objective news delivery.
 
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