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[Dev1lXYZ]

Trump on Russia indictment: Why Didn’t Obama Do Something?


President Trump on Saturday reacted to the indictment of 12 Russian military officers “for conspiring to interfere with the 2016 presidential election” by blaming former President Obama and the “deep state.”
“The stories you heard about the 12 Russians yesterday took place during the Obama Administration, not the Trump Administration,” he tweeted from Scotland. “Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election.

Trump went on to question “Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t the FBI take possession of it?”
He proposed that the server could have been kept hidden by the “Deep State.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...sian-indictments-why-didnt-obama-do-something

That’s a great question. Why didn’t Obama lift a finger to stop the Russians from hacking the DNC? Why not turn over the DNC server?

 

[Ke0]

If he did wouldn’t it look like he’s playing favorites?

 

[Forthefuture]

If he did, 45 would be among the first people to cry witch hunt. That and Mitch the Turtle didnt approve of acting upon the already ongoing investigation.

And I thought he said Russia didnt do anything. He even asked Vladimir if he did it. And house investigation didnt find anything either. Weird right?

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

PM a mod to fix you thread title. You can self report.

The manafort investigation has been going on since 2014.

 

[Arkage]

Why the fuck would the FBI take possession of the DNC server. They aren't the ones who committed a crime. They tracked the Russians down just fine without it.

And how the hell was Obama supposed to stop the Russians from hacking the DNC. The DNC didn't know it was being hacked until it was too late. When Obama found out it already had happened. Duh.

Oh, and Obama did do something about it.

Obama ordered an investigation into the hackings and confronted Putin about the cyberattacks in September 2016. But the Obama White House was hesitant to go public because of worries Obama would be seen as trying to influence the election himself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...sian-hackings-before-putin-meeting/785205002/

"Oh but why didn't he go public???" Oh gee, I don't know, read one of the 500 articles written about this subject.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell stopped the Obama administration from speaking out about Russian interference in the 2016 campaign by refusing to sign on to a bipartisan statement of condemnation.

McConnell’s office disputed this account, pointing to a letter [he] sent to the president of the National Association of State Election Directors, urging cybersecurity precautions in light of reports of attempted hacking. That missive, however, did not address Russia specifically, or the larger topic of influence beyond voting systems.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/mitch-mcconnell-russia-obama-joe-biden-359531

In other words McConnell wouldn't sign on to a public statement that said Russians were the ones hacking and that they were hoping Hillary would lose. And because he wouldn't sign on to it, Obama would be forced to do a public statement by himself, looking like he's trying to rig the election for Hillary.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Trump keeps on winning!!

 

[pramod]

Obama would be forced to do a public statement by himself, looking like he's trying to rig the election for Hillary.

Can you explain the mental gymnastics you had to do there to come to that conclusion?

 

[Forthefuture]

Can you explain the mental gymnastics you had to do there to come to that conclusion?

Are you honestly asking if it would look biased if he just came out and said "this election is tampered with by some foreign entity and they favour my idealogical rival" without senate's support? If you have an open mind, good for you but GOP doesnt. Heck it is their unofficial M.O.

 

[Arkage]

Can you explain the mental gymnastics you had to do there to come to that conclusion?

So in other words you have no idea how American politics works in the era of Fox News and talk radio. The era where Obama doing a fist bump with his wife is called a "terrorist fist jab," who is labelled as having a "deep-seeded hatred for white people," who used dijon mustard and so was labelled an out-of-touch "elitist," who criticized president Trump and should therefore be in the custody of the U.S. Marshals.

These are all actual things said by Fox News. The only mental gymnastics I did were the ones Fox News would be sure to do had Obama made a public statement on Russia.

 

[gohepcat]

Can you explain the mental gymnastics you had to do there to come to that conclusion?

Are you kidding me?

Wait...are you from the US? It’s becoming clear that a bunch of people here don’t actually know what Fox News is like in the US, and the level of paranoia that existed in popular right wing news during Obama’s presidency.

 

[Jon Neu]

And because he wouldn't sign on to it, Obama would be forced to do a public statement by himself, looking like he's trying to rig the election for Hillary.

Hahahahaha.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you trying to imply that Obama wasn't shilling so hard for Hillary to win? That the entire western media and personalities from the political and business spectrum weren't all the days of the week shilling for Hillary and denigrating Trump?

And now are we supposed to believe that they didn't do nothing to help Hillary win? In what planet have you lived this past years?



Keep talking about how the russian bots rigged the elections. Maybe someday you will actually accept that Trump won and you lose despite having all in your favour.

 

[Harksteed]

Hahahahaha.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you trying to imply that Obama wasn't shilling so hard for Hillary to win? That the entire western media and personalities from the political and business spectrum weren't all the days of the week shilling for Hillary and denigrating Trump?

And now are we supposed to believe that they didn't do nothing to help Hillary win? In what planet have you lived this past years?



Keep talking about how the russian bots rigged the elections. Maybe someday you will actually accept that Trump won and you lose despite having all in your favour.

Obama is a democrat, OF-FUCKING-COURSE he's shilling for Hillary, what is wrong with you? There's a difference between campaigning and accusing the candidate of the opposition party of being helped by the Russian government, though. In a perfect world he probably could've made a statement about it, but people on the right would 110% latch onto this to say Obama was using his powers as President to sway the elections in Hillary's favor.

Also, gimme a break about the media already, you people whine so much about them even though they constantly gave Trump air time and constantly shit on Hillary about her e-mails. If anything, the entire idea that Clinton was going to win anyway helped Trump more than anything. Hell, fucking Comey even mentioned that part of the reason why he came out with his announcement about the Hillary investigation right before the election was with that in mind. The media helped Trump, not hurt. People constantly say Democrats have no message, nothing to run on blahblahblah. You know why it sometimes seems that way? Because the media spends the majority of the time talking about anything but issues they run on:

source: https://www.cjr.org/analysis/fake-news-media-election-trump.php

Fuck the media and fuck people on the right acting like they're the victim of their reporting.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Hahahahaha.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you trying to imply that Obama wasn't shilling so hard for Hillary to win? That the entire western media and personalities from the political and business spectrum weren't all the days of the week shilling for Hillary and denigrating Trump?

And now are we supposed to believe that they didn't do nothing to help Hillary win? In what planet have you lived this past years?



Keep talking about how the russian bots rigged the elections. Maybe someday you will actually accept that Trump won and you lose despite having all in your favour.

Of course Obama wanted Hillary to win. He endorsed her and campaign a little for her.

Coming out unilaterally as the head of the DOJ and presenting an ongoing investigation and alleging this or that would be fucking disastrous.

Which is ironically what the entire GOP is trying to accuse the FBI of doing through Comey/Rosenstein/now Strozk.

There's a reason that past presidents have refused to comment on thing when there's investigations going on.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

This article from CNN, October 2016 titled: ‘No, the 2016 presidential election can’t be hacked.’

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

Even Obama himself came out and stated it himself!



If they had evidence of Russian meddling, then why not bring it into the open- instead of bald face lying?

It doesn’t make sense.

 

[Harksteed]

This article from CNN, October 2016 titled: ‘No, the 2016 presidential election can’t be hacked.’

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

Even Obama himself came out and stated it himself!



If they had evidence of Russian meddling, then why not bring it into the open- instead of bald face lying?

It doesn’t make sense.

Have you read this thread or are you just here to repeat Trumps senile tweets?

 

[TTOOLL]

Had Hillary won, would we have this investigation?

 

[TheMikado]

This article from CNN, October 2016 titled: ‘No, the 2016 presidential election can’t be hacked.’

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

Even Obama himself came out and stated it himself!



If they had evidence of Russian meddling, then why not bring it into the open- instead of bald face lying?

It doesn’t make sense.

He didn’t lie, the elections were not hacked. Use some common sense.

The irony of all this is that in that video Obama was specifically fighting off Trumps claims that democrats were “hacking” elections and going to swing it in Hillary’s favor.

So to answer the question of the original post which you seemed to have answered yourself. The values of bipartisan agreements and fair elections trumps party. Obama certainly dropped the ball on Russia as an adversary in general but in no way should a president abuse his power to influence the outcome of elections which is exactly the accusations he was addressing in this video that Trump was claiming.

To recap:
Elections were not hacked. Votes were not changed. Every agency agrees on this.

 

[Jon Neu]

There's a difference between campaigning and accusing the candidate of the opposition party of being helped by the Russian government, though.

Of course, Obama knows you can't made those ridiculous claims with any evidence. Especially after he came out and said that is not possible to rig the elections.

But that was when he thought Hillary was going to win.

Also, gimme a break about the media already, you people whine so much about them even though they constantly gave Trump air time and constantly shit on Hillary about her e-mails. If anything, the entire idea that Clinton was going to win anyway helped Trump more than anything. Hell, fucking Comey even mentioned that part of the reason why he came out with his announcement about the Hillary investigation right before the election was with that in mind. The media helped Trump, not hurt. People constantly say Democrats have no message, nothing to run on blahblahblah. You know why it sometimes seems that way? Because the media spends the majority of the time talking about anything but issues they run on:

Hold on till in 5 years democrats are going to say the Media was in favour of Trump and against poor Hillary. Completely rewrite of history and disgusting intellectual dishonesty.

Yeah, Trump was all the time in the media, because he was INSULTED and DEMONIZED every fucking hour of the day at a level I have never seen in any other person. The media going all ape shit at Trump backfired at them (you) and helped Trump win, yes. But that doesn't negate the fact that the elections were tried to be rigged in favour of Hillary by the MSM, the international western politics and all the Hollywood celebrities first. Stop complaining about fucking russians when the elections were by all accounts rigged in favor of Hillary.

Fuck the media and fuck people on the right acting like they're the victim of their reporting.

Fuck the media and fuck people on the left acting like they're the victim of some rigged elections by some russian bots.

And I'm a leftist.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Had Hillary won, would we have this investigation?

I would assume yes, since it started before 2016?

 

[Arkage]

Hahahahaha.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you trying to imply that Obama wasn't shilling so hard for Hillary to win? That the entire western media and personalities from the political and business spectrum weren't all the days of the week shilling for Hillary and denigrating Trump?

Obama obviously wanted Hillary to win, but only made a handful of comments about it. Show me citations or evidence of him “shilling hard” or go back into your conspiracy cave.

So, you of course know that Fox News has more viewers than any other cable news station , that conservatives control the vast majority of talk radio, and that conservatives control huge amounts of local news stations via Sinclair. As well as own multiple large publications like WSJ or The Economist or National Review. And have plenty of business personalities like the Koch brothers, Peter Thiel, Sheldon Adelson, the Mercers, as well as a whole host of less-known billionaire donors. Even Elon Musk donates substantially to conservatives.

But yes, let’s keep pushing out propaganda that liberals and Hillary are the “main stream media” and that they suffocate and restrict conservative voices. Let me see those tears of anguish about how politics are rigged against conservatives as an Orange buffoon wins the Presidency with 3 million less votes than Hillary.

Yeah, Trump was all the time in the media, because he was INSULTED and DEMONIZED every fucking hour of the day at a level I have never seen in any other person.

Yes, how dare we demonize a man who brags about grabbing women by the pussy, who cheats on his wife with hookers while paying hush money, who calls Mexicans rapists, who said he'd want to fuck his own daughter, who tells blatant lies on a regular basis about obvious facts because he has such a thin skin (aka crowd size). Who's ego is so inflated that he thinks he can murder people in the street and lose no voters. It's safe to say he's talking about voters like you.

 

[dolabla]

You will never get an answer to his. Well, you did kind of get one in that Obama's cyber security guy was told to stand down.

Dems still need to excuse as to why she lost. It can't be she was just a garbage (boring) candidate who ran a garbage campaign that flat out ignored places like Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. Nominating Hillary Clinton is going to haunt the Dems for years.

It is funny how some act like Russia has not been messing with the US since the Soviet Union. Like this is something ground breaking and new. We have and still do the exact same thing to them, lol. China has been hacking us for years. All these countries are hacking one another. Remember the Obama admin was hacking into Angela Merkel's phone calls.

 

[TheMikado]

You will never get an answer to his. Well, you did kind of get one in that Obama's cyber security guy was told to stand down.

Dems still need to excuse as to why she lost. It can't be she was just a garbage (boring) candidate who ran a garbage campaign that flat out ignored places like Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. Nominating Hillary Clinton is going to haunt the Dems for years.

It is funny how some act like Russia has not been messing with the US since the Soviet Union. Like this is something ground breaking and new. We have and still do the exact same thing to them, lol. China has been hacking us for years. All these countries are hacking one another. Remember the Obama admin was hacking into Angela Merkel's phone calls.

What methods did the Russians use to mess with elections since the Soviet Union. I'm genuinely curious how they logistically pulled that off.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Styx breaks it down and provides his opinion.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Obama obviously wanted Hillary to win, but only made a handful of comments about it. Show me citations or evidence of him “shilling hard” or go back into your conspiracy cave.

So, you of course know that Fox News has more viewers than any other cable news station , that conservatives control the vast majority of talk radio, and that conservatives control huge amounts of local news stations via Sinclair. As well as own multiple large publications like WSJ or The Economist or National Review. And have plenty of business personalities like the Koch brothers, Peter Thiel, Sheldon Adelson, the Mercers, as well as a whole host of less-known billionaire donors. Even Elon Musk donates substantially to conservatives.

But yes, let’s keep pushing out propaganda that liberals and Hillary are the “main stream media” and that they suffocate and restrict conservative voices. Let me see those tears of anguish about how politics are rigged against conservatives as an Orange buffoon wins the Presidency with 3 million less votes than Hillary.



Yes, how dare we demonize a man who brags about grabbing women by the pussy, who cheats on his wife with hookers while paying hush money, who calls Mexicans rapists, who said he'd want to fuck his own daughter, who tells blatant lies on a regular basis about obvious facts because he has such a thin skin (aka crowd size). Who's ego is so inflated that he thinks he can murder people in the street and lose no voters. It's safe to say he's talking about voters like you.

Please contain your pearl clutching, the necklace might break.

Morality means nothing to voters Bill Clinton proved that in the late nineties.

 

[dolabla]

What methods did the Russians use to mess with elections since the Soviet Union. I'm genuinely curious how they logistically pulled that off.

Oh it's definitely happened: http://www.politifact.com/north-car...every-time-russian-or-soviet-spies-tried-int/

1960: Through his ambassador to the United States, Mikhail Menshikov, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev offered Adlai Stevenson help from a secret propaganda campaign. However, Stevenson declined the offer. He lost in the Democratic primary to John F. Kennedy.

• 1968: The Soviet Union’s ambassador to the U.S., Anatoly Dobrynin, offered to secretly fund Hubert Humphrey’s campaign against Richard Nixon. Humphrey declined the bribe.

• 1976: Fearing that anti-communist Democrat Henry "Scoop" Jackson stood a good chance at winning in the wake of Nixon’s resignation, the KGB began a smear campaign. Soviet spies forged FBI paperwork to make it appear Jackson was secretly gay and sent the fake reports to newspapers around the United States during the election and for years after.

I don't really like using those fact checking type sites, but that's what I could find. There's probably no telling what other things the Russians have done. And to be fair, the US is no saint either.

 

[TheMikado]

Oh it's definitely happened: http://www.politifact.com/north-car...every-time-russian-or-soviet-spies-tried-int/
I don't really like using those fact checking type sites, but that's what I could find. There's probably no telling what other things the Russians have done. And to be fair, the US is no saint either.

I’m sure it has been, but the point I’m making is that we have extensive, coordinated, and direct attempts to influence the election and domestic actors possibly coordinating with them. That’s the difference. In two of your 3 examples the offer to collude was declined and evidently reported. The other attempt doesn’t seem to have had domestic collusion at all. An attack on our elections isn’t unprecedented but one of this scale and coordination is.

 

[Harksteed]

Styx XD

 

[Arkage]

Please contain your pearl clutching, the necklace might break.

Morality means nothing to voters Bill Clinton proved that in the late nineties.

Bill Clinton got a consensual blow job and didn't pay hush money to shut her up. There are different levels of unethical behavior. If there's any job that should demand pearl-clutching, it's the Presidency of the US. Paying hush money to hookers, bragging about grabbing women by the pussy because they're too scared to sue you, or bragging about how your voters wouldn't care if you shot American citizens, is not behavior we should want from a President or future President, period. Otherwise let's just stop giving a shit about lies or propaganda or ethics and descend into nihilistic dictatorship!

No thank you.

 

[HarryKS]

What's that 45 thing? It's puerile.

 

[Super Mario]

He didn’t lie, the elections were not hacked. Use some common sense.

The irony of all this is that in that video Obama was specifically fighting off Trumps claims that democrats were “hacking” elections and going to swing it in Hillary’s favor.

So to answer the question of the original post which you seemed to have answered yourself. The values of bipartisan agreements and fair elections trumps party. Obama certainly dropped the ball on Russia as an adversary in general but in no way should a president abuse his power to influence the outcome of elections which is exactly the accusations he was addressing in this video that Trump was claiming.

To recap:
Elections were not hacked. Votes were not changed. Every agency agrees on this.

Whether you want to use the words "hacked" "influenced" "meddling", it doesn't matter, as it is all the same theory. The answer to the OP's question lies here.

The reason the Democrats cared NOTHING about anything Russia before the election is because they fully believed they had the election in the bag. Trump believed there was cheating going on there (and I'm convinced that is at least partially true). Yet Obama came out to say how air tight our system was, to discredit crazy Trump, which was the whole agenda the whole time.

Then the election happens and EVERYONE pulls a complete 180. Now Trump won because of unfair tactics.

 

[TheMikado]

Whether you want to use the words "hacked" "influenced" "meddling", it doesn't matter, as it is all the same theory. The answer to the OP's question lies here.

The reason the Democrats cared NOTHING about anything Russia before the election is because they fully believed they had the election in the bag. Trump believed there was cheating going on there (and I'm convinced that is at least partially true). Yet Obama came out to say how air tight our system was, to discredit crazy Trump, which was the whole agenda the whole time.

Then the election happens and EVERYONE pulls a complete 180. Now Trump won because of unfair tactics.

Yes it does, you can't try to take someones comments out of context just to try to make them say something they didn't actually say, just to try to claim their lying. Do you understand the mental gymnastics at play?

Obama specifically talked about the ability to "rig", alter, hack elections in context of vote counts. In the 1 minute and 35 second video being referenced which I assume most people have the necessary attention span to sit through, he talked about the fact that the sheer decentralization of our vote system and the sheer numbers and manner in which they occur helps to prevent a central point of entry and widespread alterations to the election system.

In other words, in order to "rig" the system you would need to compromise 10s of thousands of individuals across multiple states and districts just for the hopes of having an impact in altering the outcome of the elections. Essentially what he said is that the technical and logistical means of "rigging" an election of our scale, magnitude, and division on a meaningful scale is a pipe dream at best.

This is very very very different discussion then the ability for foreign entities to infiltrate and influence campaigns which is something the US has bee fighting since it's inception. Trump's digs were at the core of the American system of elections, pushing the conspiracy narrative that your vote does not actually count and the "deep state" or some other shadow actors can change it to whoever they actually want to win not matter what votes are cast.

 

[KevinKeene]

All these topics trying to put Trump in better light :/

 

[infinitys_7th]

Obama is a democrat, OF-FUCKING-COURSE he's shilling for Hillary, what is wrong with you? There's a difference between campaigning and accusing the candidate of the opposition party of being helped by the Russian government, though. In a perfect world he probably could've made a statement about it, but people on the right would 110% latch onto this to say Obama was using his powers as President to sway the elections in Hillary's favor.

Also, gimme a break about the media already, you people whine so much about them even though they constantly gave Trump air time and constantly shit on Hillary about her e-mails. If anything, the entire idea that Clinton was going to win anyway helped Trump more than anything. Hell, fucking Comey even mentioned that part of the reason why he came out with his announcement about the Hillary investigation right before the election was with that in mind. The media helped Trump, not hurt. People constantly say Democrats have no message, nothing to run on blahblahblah. You know why it sometimes seems that way? Because the media spends the majority of the time talking about anything but issues they run on:

source: https://www.cjr.org/analysis/fake-news-media-election-trump.php

Fuck the media and fuck people on the right acting like they're the victim of their reporting.

If only most of those "scandals" under Trump were actually scandals.

 

[Super Mario]

Yes it does, you can't try to take someones comments out of context just to try to make them say something they didn't actually say, just to try to claim their lying. Do you understand the mental gymnastics at play?

Obama specifically talked about the ability to "rig", alter, hack elections in context of vote counts. In the 1 minute and 35 second video being referenced which I assume most people have the necessary attention span to sit through, he talked about the fact that the sheer decentralization of our vote system and the sheer numbers and manner in which they occur helps to prevent a central point of entry and widespread alterations to the election system.

In other words, in order to "rig" the system you would need to compromise 10s of thousands of individuals across multiple states and districts just for the hopes of having an impact in altering the outcome of the elections. Essentially what he said is that the technical and logistical means of "rigging" an election of our scale, magnitude, and division on a meaningful scale is a pipe dream at best.

This is very very very different discussion then the ability for foreign entities to infiltrate and influence campaigns which is something the US has bee fighting since it's inception. Trump's digs were at the core of the American system of elections, pushing the conspiracy narrative that your vote does not actually count and the "deep state" or some other shadow actors can change it to whoever they actually want to win not matter what votes are cast.

We have a "sheer decentralization of our vote system and the sheer numbers and manner in which they occur helps to prevent a central point of entry and widespread alterations to the election system. In other words, in order to "rig" the system you would need to compromise 10s of thousands of individuals across multiple states and districts just for the hopes of having an impact in altering the outcome of the elections. Essentially what he said is that the technical and logistical means of "rigging" an election of our scale, magnitude, and division on a meaningful scale is a pipe dream at best.
"

We also have a few Facebook ads that apparently influenced on a level beyond this, right? Can you please point to the ones that influenced the election?

It's almost as if you intentionally make points that contradict the narrative you swear to defend.

 

[Harksteed]

If only most of those "scandals" under Trump were actually scandals.

They weren't?

 

[TheMikado]

We have a "sheer decentralization of our vote system and the sheer numbers and manner in which they occur helps to prevent a central point of entry and widespread alterations to the election system. In other words, in order to "rig" the system you would need to compromise 10s of thousands of individuals across multiple states and districts just for the hopes of having an impact in altering the outcome of the elections. Essentially what he said is that the technical and logistical means of "rigging" an election of our scale, magnitude, and division on a meaningful scale is a pipe dream at best.
"

We also have a few Facebook ads that apparently influenced on a level beyond this, right? Can you please point to the ones that influenced the election?

It's almost as if you intentionally make points that contradict the narrative you swear to defend.

A level beyond what? Something that’s never actually occurred??? In no way did I claim that the election outcomes were changed in any meaningful way. That doesn’t mean mettling didn’t occur.

Just because a robber only stole a few items while you weren’t home doesn’t mean a crime didn’t happened.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

 

[infinitys_7th]

They weren't?

The media spent a week whining about "two scoops". I have to question everything they claim is a scandal.

There is nothing linking Trump to Russia, so just on a surface level it is a lie to call "Russia" a scandal.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Bill Clinton got a consensual blow job and didn't pay hush money to shut her up. There are different levels of unethical behavior. If there's any job that should demand pearl-clutching, it's the Presidency of the US. Paying hush money to hookers, bragging about grabbing women by the pussy because they're too scared to sue you, or bragging about how your voters wouldn't care if you shot American citizens, is not behavior we should want from a President or future President, period. Otherwise let's just stop giving a shit about lies or propaganda or ethics and descend into nihilistic dictatorship!

No thank you.

Bill Clinton got a consensual blow job and didn't pay hush money to shut her up. There are different levels of unethical behavior. If there's any job that should demand pearl-clutching, it's the Presidency of the US. Paying hush money to hookers, bragging about grabbing women by the pussy because they're too scared to sue you, or bragging about how your voters wouldn't care if you shot American citizens, is not behavior we should want from a President or future President, period. Otherwise let's just stop giving a shit about lies or propaganda or ethics and descend into nihilistic dictatorship!

No thank you.

You: They're my pearls to clutch...mine, mine, mine! How dare you speak of my pearls!

please continue the pearl fondling. Just trying to bring you up to speed....its 2018. Bill Clinton not Only grabbed a few pussies, he stuck his cigar in one! Obama is gay and his wife is a tranny according to the late Joan Rivers. So he's probably had a few cocks up his ass.....it's not unheard of with people in power to have fetishes. God forbid speaking about grabbing pussies.

 

[Harksteed]

The media spent a week whining about "two scoops". I have to question everything they claim is a scandal.

There is nothing linking Trump to Russia, so just on a surface level it is a lie to call "Russia" a scandal.

No no, fuck off with this shit. My post clearly referred to specific scandals during the campaign. Don't bring up a completely unrelated one and shrug off one of the other five.

 

[TheMikado]

You: They're my pearls to clutch...mine, mine, mine! How dare you speak of my pearls!

please continue the pearl fondling. Just trying to bring you up to speed....its 2018. Bill Clinton not Only grabbed a few pussies, he stuck his cigar in one! Obama is gay and his wife is a tranny according to the late Joan Rivers. So he's probably had a few cocks up his ass.....it's not unheard of with people in power to have fetishes. God forbid speaking about grabbing pussies.

I see discussion has now gone down the drain.

 

[Harksteed]

I see discussion has now gone down the drain.

Nah man, NeoGAF now is a place where we can have a proper discussion between left and right!
Also, Seth Rich got killed for covering up the pizza joint Clinton pedo ring

 

[TheMikado]

Nah man, NeoGAF now is a place where we can have a proper discussion between left and right!
Also, Seth Rich got killed for covering up the pizza joint Clinton pedo ring

Since when is insinuating counting the number of cocks someone takes in the @$$ considered “proper discussion”?

 

[gohepcat]

This article from CNN, October 2016 titled: ‘No, the 2016 presidential election can’t be hacked.’

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/index.html

Even Obama himself came out and stated it himself!



If they had evidence of Russian meddling, then why not bring it into the open- instead of bald face lying?

It doesn’t make sense.

That video is correct. It’s nearly impossible to physically hack the electronic voting machines, or compromise the system due to multiple failsafes. No one is claiming that they did.

The claim is that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians to implement a massive propaganda campaign and to hack the DNC mail servers to get information about Hillary. How do you not know this?

 

[gohepcat]

We have a "sheer decentralization of our vote system and the sheer numbers and manner in which they occur helps to prevent a central point of entry and widespread alterations to the election system. In other words, in order to "rig" the system you would need to compromise 10s of thousands of individuals across multiple states and districts just for the hopes of having an impact in altering the outcome of the elections. Essentially what he said is that the technical and logistical means of "rigging" an election of our scale, magnitude, and division on a meaningful scale is a pipe dream at best.
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We also have a few Facebook ads that apparently influenced on a level beyond this, right? Can you please point to the ones that influenced the election?

It's almost as if you intentionally make points that contradict the narrative you swear to defend.

I am really shocked that people do not understand with the claims against the Trump administration actually are. Have you just completely shut yourself off from any bad news about Trump?

 

[infinitys_7th]

No no, fuck off with this shit. My post clearly referred to specific scandals during the campaign. Don't bring up a completely unrelated one and shrug off one of the other five.

What scandals? Trump has run a more ethical White House than W or Clinton did.

I am really shocked that people do not understand with the claims against the Trump administration actually are. Have you just completely shut yourself off from any bad news about Trump?

What, that he worked with Russia for 30 years before in total secret preparing to 1337 h@xx0rs! the 2016 election only to give it away on national television by asking Russia to release what they have on Hillary? By Roger Stone communicating in a public tweet with Wikileaks?

That's a load of horseshit.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

No no, fuck off with this shit. My post clearly referred to specific scandals during the campaign. Don't bring up a completely unrelated one and shrug off one of the other five.

I’m pointing out what you are doing. You have ignored other ‘scandalous’ behavior, to make importance of a statement made by a person that didn't know they were being recorded. In many states that can have significant legal consequences.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

What scandals? Trump has run a more ethical White House than W or Clinton did.

Do you honestly believe this?

Maybe your idea of ethics is way way more different than mines.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Do you honestly believe this?

Maybe your idea of ethics is way way more different than mines.

One went to war to cover for sexual indiscretions and the other literally almost set the Middle East back 400 years by going to war for KSA and his VP's buddies.

Trump says mean things on Twitter, and has been the most peaceful president since Jimmy Carter.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

One went to war to cover for sexual indiscretions and the other literally almost set the Middle East back 400 years by going to war for KSA and his VP's buddies.

Trump says mean things on Twitter, and has been the most peaceful president since Jimmy Carter.

He also has a cabinet filled with bigots who are implementing policies that hurt people across the spectrum.


e: Most peaceful, dude literally threatened fire and fury on twitter. FOH

 

[infinitys_7th]

He also has a cabinet filled with bigots who are implementing policies that hurt people across the spectrum.

What laws? Trump is coming around to cycle down the war on drugs once he gets rid of Sessions, which by itself will do more good for minority populations in the US than has been done since the Civil Rights Act.