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Trump says he called Schumer to broker deal with Dems for ‘a great HealthCare Bill'

I've never seen Trump supporters get butthurt quite like when he works with Democrats on things. Looking forward to the backlash.

Their cognitive dissonance is so strong anymore, many'll come up with some ridiculous conspiracy to justify this, or they'll pretend they were always for the ACA.

We're dealing with a resilient kind of denial here. The only thing that matters is that their guy can do no wrong.
 

Hubbl3

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Their cognitive dissonance is so strong anymore, many'll come up with some ridiculous conspiracy to justify this, or they'll pretend they were always for the ACA.

We're dealing with a resilient kind of denial here. The only thing that matters is that their guy can do no wrong.

To be fair, a lot of them were for the ACA... they were just too fucking stupid to realize it was the same thing as "Obamacare"
 

DietRob

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We turned down a deal with Nixon that would have effectively implemented Obamacare 4 decades earlier. Trump is a piece of shit, but you absolutely take what you can get.

I know. I'm 100% fine with Schumer pumping Donnie up with hero talk if it means we get good healthcare reform that benefits everyone. Let him call it TrumpCare. Let it be the biggest, bigly healthcare plan that has ever existed that covers every single american so they will love him and chant his name lovingly in the streets like he's always dreamed. Let him soak up the entire win on this. If Schumer plays it that way President Dumbass might just fall for it.

Then when Congress slams the door on his dream he can declare full war on Mitch and Paul.
 

kess

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We turned down a deal with Nixon that would have effectively implemented Obamacare 4 decades earlier. Trump is a piece of shit, but you absolutely take what you can get.

You're assuming a modicum of responsibility and basic competency that he has not shown in the 8 months he has been president. Nothing he has done in this life has been in good faith. Every time this happens he pulls in the suckers and proclaims "let's see" before lashing out, blackmailing, or putting the onus on the other side to bend to his will.

More likely, his vanity realizes that the last time he tried this his approval numbers briefly went up before crashing down amongst a resumption of the culture war and FBI investigations. Maybe he's trying to head off something. Go ahead, make a deal, but it's not going to happen. It's fucking Trump.
 

DontBeThatGuy

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Repackage universal healthcare as "Trumpcare" and he'll sign it. It's not like he's read any of the previous healthcare bills so he won't know what's in it.

He wouldn't sign that nor would it ever even get to him.

Does anyone who what the Alexander-Murray healthcare proposal consists of?:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/28/alexander-murray-obamacare-plan-243258

I don't think anything been nailed down but there's some info there.
 
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It is on the table, but it's not a possibility. Show me the GoP votes to get it across the finish line. It didn't even have enough Democratic support in Obama's narrow super-majority window to exist as a caveat.

I think the political paradigm changes if all parties are serious about creating a system that leads to better outcomes and a more reasonable share of the economy.

Maybe Congress and the president come up short because of entrenched interests in the end. Nevertheless, making an attempt to save people, save money and save businesses is worth your time. You know for a country that goes on and on about being #1, the best, the greatest, the shining light on a hill, and so on getting the ball rolling shouldn't be impossible. America should aspire to walk the walk rather than just talk.
 

Ogodei

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Thus far I trust 'Chuck and Nancy' to at minimum preserve if not advance democratic policies in all their negotiations with Trump. He is far more desperate than they are for political victories.

RRR government means they get credit for anything they can accomplish while taking none of the blame for anything that goes wrong in Washington. There's a perverse advantage to powerlessness (all the more so when the people who are in power are too incompetent to actually do anything with it).
 

Slayven

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Schumer:" Donny anyone can repeal and replace, but you could be the man that fixes Obama's biggest blunder. Picture it ' Donald Trump Makes Obama Care Work Tremendously'"
 

SDCowboy

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It's sad but I really don't think Trump will ever accept anything but a repeal. This is like the biggest thing Obama did and I don't think he'll be satisfied until he gets rid of it. Democrats should move forward knowing this. Play to his ego, make it seem like this is all about Trump's vision, how this is completely new and different, even if it's the same damn thing but with actually bipartisan support this time.

Even with a slight change (hopefully for the better), it could start being known as Trump Care. That would give him a win, and everyone else one. The ACA doesn't need to be done away for the plan to be "his" instead of Obamas.
 

kirblar

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You're assuming a modicum of responsibility and basic competency that he has not shown in the 8 months he has been president. Nothing he has done in this life has been in good faith. Every time this happens he pulls in the suckers and proclaims "let's see" before lashing out, blackmailing, or putting the onus on the other side to bend to his will.

More likely, his vanity realizes that the last time he tried this his approval numbers briefly went up before crashing down amongst a resumption of the culture war and FBI investigations. Maybe he's trying to head off something. Go ahead, make a deal, but it's not going to happen. It's fucking Trump.
See DietRob's post above. There are upsides to this (like getting them to waste more time on healthcare instead of actually doing something that might get passed) even if nothing actually happens.

We obviously shouldn't be putting any hopes in this, but it's worth taking the shot anyway, cause we don't really have anything to lose.
RRR government means they get credit for anything they can accomplish while taking none of the blame for anything that goes wrong in Washington. There's a perverse advantage to powerlessness (all the more so when the people who are in power are too incompetent to actually do anything with it).
"The Backup QB is the most popular player on the team."
 

SDCowboy

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"Re-name Obamacare to Trumpcare and you've got a deal, Chuck."

"Sir, there is no such thing as Obamacare, wait, wait. We do have this thing called the Affordable Care Act that works well."

"Oh, name that Trumpcare and we've got a deal!"

If the Dems are smart about this, they should push it hard as "TrumpCare", IMO.
 

Euron

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LOL this dude going to stumble and fall into universal health care!
What if we convince him to pass universal health care by calling it Trump Care? Like it could be the most socialistic health care plan on the planet but since he'd be all for it since it would replace Obamacare and have his name on it.
 

gaugebozo

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Come on Schumer, that is the wrong strategy. I am sure Obama can take it if you tell Trump that you have an awesome Repeal-and-Replace package and replace Obamacare with Universal Health Care.

(Having said that it would be impossible to get that through congress, whereas a repair bill might be possible).
Have you seen Republican's polling recently, especially with their base? They hate Congress and love Trump. Congress is scared shitless at the midterm elections. I bet they would vote for universal health care if Trump was for it. They'd just have to do something shitty to make up for it. Could you guys live with health insurance not covering birth control if it meant universal coverage?
 

Lucky Forward

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We might just start a nuclear war with rocket man. Who knows!

We might just round up black people and move them to reservations. Who knows!

I might just eat a bullet because this country is circling the drain. Who knows!

We'll see what happens!
 

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RRR government means they get credit for anything they can accomplish while taking none of the blame for anything that goes wrong in Washington. There's a perverse advantage to powerlessness (all the more so when the people who are in power are too incompetent to actually do anything with it).

Historically ruling parties are punished hard at midterms, but in Trump land who the fuck knows.
 

DontBeThatGuy

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It would not get to him, correct..

But don’t underestimate his vanity or his inability to comprehend what any of this stuff does.

Of course he signs a bill called Trumpcare.

Yeah, I should say that if by some miracle it made it's way to him, he probably would sign it.

In the mean time though, I don't see any endorsements of that idea (uhc/single payer) happening, not after bashing it these past few months while also desperate for of a certain kind of tax reform.
 

kess

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See DietRob's post above. There are upsides to this (like getting them to waste more time on healthcare instead of actually doing something that might get passed) even if nothing actually happens.

We obviously shouldn't be putting any hopes in this, but it's worth taking the shot anyway, cause we don't really have anything to lose.

Trump is the master of fraudulent inducement, and Schumer is no doubt aware of it. Can't out-schume the Schmumer. But, aside from the perverse wish (that I support) of allowing this to slow down the agenda of the Republican agenda in congress, I think the comparison with Nixon is not really the best analogue for the situation, since Nixon was, by then, term-limited and constrained by a far more restrictive congress and civil service.

Trump is terrible at setting an agenda, optics, and generally looks at politics as a series of incentives rather than a set of goals, but even a dumbass like him knows that healthcare is the biggest issue in the country right now, and the golden ticket to his re-election.

Mueller will probably end up blowing this all up anyway, but...
 

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I'm skeptical Donald and his ego would accept something that wasn't a repeal. The republicans would be hammering him about it as well, so odds are low. It would be great if his idiocy could be used for something good here though.
 

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I'm skeptical Donald and his ego would accept something that wasn't a repeal. The republicans would be hammering him about it as well, so odds are low. It would be great if his idiocy could be used for something good here though.
I feel like his ego could permit him to blame the repeal failure on McConnell and to spin signing a bipartisan stabilization deal as him fixing establishment politician fuckups.
 

kirblar

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I feel like his ego could permit him to blame the repeal failure on McConnell and to spin signing a bipartisan stabilization deal as him fixing establishment politician fuckups.
Getting bipartisan stabilization is good for us because it lets us accelerate timetables on future ACA expansions (like say, the public option). The less maintenance we have to do on it in 2020+, the better.
 

Mike M

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I don't think Trump cares about whether or not Obamacare is actually repealed. I'm nearly certain there was a reported conversation where he was asking Schumer if he could call an ACA stabilization bill "repeal and replace" and Schumer told him he could call it whatever he wanted.

He just wants a bill, any bill. Before the bill will be Obamacare, and after the bill something will have changed, ergo it is no longer Obamacare, ergo Obamacare has been repealed and replaced because we don't have Obamacare anymore. That's the sum total of his thought process on this. If he could sign a bill that did nothing but change the title of the current law to "Trumpcare," he would, because his only policy objective here is to one-up Obama.
 
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Trump has said he thinks everybody should be covered. But why anyone would believe him on this, or anything he's ever said, I will never know.

I think he's too stupid and too uninterested to actually understand what "covering everybody" entails or to realize UHC does that.