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Trump says US will impose 5% tariff on all Mexican imports from June 10

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I do not like tariffs as economic policy, but they make sense as a punitive/incentive measure for making countries play fair. They have not really been used like this before.

Don't want tariffs? Stop stealing our technology. Stop exporting your problems to us. Trump is allowing the War on Drugs to subside more, so he is in a moral position to challenge Mexico's and CA's "domestic policy" of sending their most downtrodden away.
 

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Relevant and related recent Joe Rogan interview with Ed Calderon and various Border issues.

Important note: Ed touches on the 6 year reset that happens every time time Mexico elects a new President, with regards to dealing with the Cartel. And a large issue with the border is of a result of the Cartels business diversity.
 
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Love him or hate him, he is shaking things up by doing what a president is supposed to do.
They were already coming today fyi, before Trumps announcement.

People may have been right when saying that the announcement was for show, leading into this in the wake of NAFTA.
 
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They were already coming today fyi, before Trumps announcement.

People may have been right when saying that the announcement was for show, leading into this in the wake of NAFTA.
Or maybe, just maybe shit goes on behind the scenes way before the PR it to the public.
 
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Because it is the American people that pay. Is he going to bail out everyone?
Company's will move to the next country and keep prices the same or else they will get crushed by competition.

This is purely a push for that country to start patrolling the boarder themselves and push people back into there country.

I think its a perfect solution.
 
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A bit of advice for liberals: instead of changing every mention of the word "Trump" to "Drumpf", instead, in your mind's eye, change every mention of "the wall" to "border security".

Because that's what Trump actually means. Because that's what it actually is in practice. Because he uses "the big beautiful wall with big beautiful door" as shorthand to get his point across instead of boring you with a one hour lecture on the details. And because he knows that the phrase "the wall" triggers his opponents and makes them emotional, which takes them off their game and creates chaos.

Chaos is a ladder that President Trump climbs quite well.
 

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That simply applies even more positive pressure on car manufacturers to return more work to the US, which is win win. If car manufacturers do pass some of the cost back to consumers, it'll be minor and on luxury items that already have price flexibility and variance.
Just the opposite. If you're a US automaker, the US ranks right behind China and Mexico as the last place you want to do your assembly now. Assemble somewhere that a) doesn't have high tariffs on Mexican imports and in turn doesn't suffer from high tariffs when exporting the assembled automobiles to the US.

When looking for that country with much lower labor costs, much lower taxes, etc., just remove superpowers and any country that shares a border with the US and you shouldn't have to worry about Trump's diplomacy via tariff.

Mexico will either give Trump the finger or they'll pay lip service to his demands---which will be enough for Trump to get credit---while doing very little to fix America's immigration problems from the supply side.

From a practical standpoint paying for the wall via higher automobile prices in the US isn't an entirely bad solution.
 
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Mexico eyes steps to cut immigrant flows to U.S. border, official says

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico wants to sharpen existing measures in its bid to narrow a flood of Central American migrants to the U.S. border, a top Mexican official said on Friday, ahead of planned meetings in Washington over tariffs threatened by President Donald Trump.
 
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Hilarious. Mexican industry is a slave function of the USA- providing Yanks with goods made to acceptable quality with the cheapest labour and low transport distances. And now Yanks are to punish mexicans for being slaves.

Of course back in the days of named slavery, yanks did the same thing to their actual slaves. Do more for master or we'll make your miserable existence even worse.

And there's an unstated truth. When the USA used *might* to expand southward into spanish territory, it accepted (like the british did in canada with respect to the french population) that the captured territory would remain largely spanish in character, keep its spanish/aztec population, and accept that these people would need a *soft* border to interact with their own people on the other side.

Nothing forced Yankland to incorporate spanish/aztec lands. The USA chose to do it, and thus has an obligation to live up to the agreements made at the time.

*This* is why Trump's wall is a non-starter. A *real* wall policy would begin by giving those south lands back to Mexico, thus eliminating most of the spanish/mexican population in the south part of the USA, and *then* building a wall to protect the new border. But yanks always want to have their cake and eat it too.
 
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Are you seriously saying Mexico cannot stop caravans traveling from their southern border to their northern border?
All I'm saying is I don't see Mexico dramatically reducing immigration. And donsequently the deadlines are going to come and go.

The major things that drive America's trade deficit makes it tough for Pres. Trump to move the needle.

But someone has to take more drastic measures. I'm not sure how you get around the fact the US is often at less than full employment with a huge trade deficit with a bunch of different countries.
 

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Looks like Mexico is about to cave....


Wow, so Trump is about to fix a 30 year problem we had with Mexico in 3 days!
Just shows you what can be accomplished when a president isn't afraid of the "polls" or what the media thinks of him, and just goes out and gets sh*t done for this country.
 
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Looks like Mexico is about to cave....


Wow, so Trump is about to fix a 30 year problem we had with Mexico in 3 days!
Just shows you what can be accomplished when a president isn't afraid of the "polls" or what the media thinks of him, and just goes out and gets sh*t done for this country.
Kind of a bit outdated article, things move so fast. My guess is they will continue trying to win their argument in the media, but wait a while before considering anything that makes a huge dent. Hope I'm wrong but doubt I am. The cartels must make bank by helping the migrants cross through Mexico, and for them to continue operating like they do the chances they don't control the government seem pretty unlikely.
 

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Looks like Republicans are going to say no.
:messenger_tears_of_joy:

I can see the movie about this already. Bunch of R's have private lunch and express their disagreement to Trump's staff. Trump flies home from the UK. The R's line up outside his door to discuss their "possible rebellion." Door opens, Trump yells from behind the desk "Bring out the gimp", and they all run back to their respective congressional chambers.
 

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  • Mexico dispatched a special unit of 200 agents to intercept 1,000 migrants headed for the United States
  • The caravan of migrants from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, departed from Ciudad Hidalgo at the Mexico border on Wednesday morning and walked along a highway toward Tapachula escorted by police
  • They were met some 11 miles short of their destination by the special unit forming a blockade on the road
  • The vast majority of the migrants complied with officials' orders and boarded immigration agency vehicles
  • Others resisted and were wrested to the ground by unarmed officers or fled to the thick forest nearby
  • Parents sat on the pavement holding their children as the wept and begged authorities not to take them
  • The confrontation took place as temperatures in the region reached 91 degrees Fahrenheit (33 Celcius)
  • Several migrants fainted or collapsed from the heat and at least one man received medical attention
  • An immigration official at the site who was not authorized to speak publicly said the 600 to 800 migrants would initially be taken to an immigration detention center in Tapachula
  • Mexico latest response came on the eve of an afternoon meeting with White House officials as President Trumps threatened to impose tariffs if the Mexican government does stop illegal migration
 
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Republicans are banding together against Trump.

Who cares? Aren't all Republicans murderous racist homophobes? If they're against Trump too, the president must be doing something right according to the standard of the Democrats.
 

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Who cares? Aren't all Republicans murderous racist homophobes? If they're against Trump too, the president must be doing something right according to the standard of the Democrats.
It’s almost as if the establishment are pissed off because they can’t fully control this guy, (since he came in a billionaire.)

Other establishment presidents become wealthy very fast on a $400K salary somehow. ;)
 
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Let's face it. If you were the Mexican government and swaths of low skilled locals or people passing by from Central American countries wanted to leave and go elsewhere (the US), you'd probably let them leave too.
 

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Reports are coming in that Mexico is about to give in to Trump.

If so this will be the biggest win for Trump yet.
 

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Mexico is starting to detain immigrants entering Mexico.

The government is even "talking the talk":

The column of men women and children had barely walked 12km on Mexican soil before it was stopped; previous caravans have successfully travelled nearly 4,000km across the length of the country to the US border.
“We have the full right to do it, we’re a sovereign country, we have migratory laws, which we have to apply and have to be respected,” said interior minister Olga Sánchez Cordero.
On the same day, police arrested two members of the migrants’ rights organisation Pueblo Sin Fronteras (People Without Borders), which coordinates caravans crossing Mexico.

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Yuge win for Trump's agenda if Mexico ends up curtailing immigration while Congress and the president fight over the wall.
 
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Mexico is starting to detain immigrants entering Mexico.

The government is even "talking the talk":

The column of men women and children had barely walked 12km on Mexican soil before it was stopped; previous caravans have successfully travelled nearly 4,000km across the length of the country to the US border.
“We have the full right to do it, we’re a sovereign country, we have migratory laws, which we have to apply and have to be respected,” said interior minister Olga Sánchez Cordero.
On the same day, police arrested two members of the migrants’ rights organisation Pueblo Sin Fronteras (People Without Borders), which coordinates caravans crossing Mexico.

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Yuge win for Trump's agenda if Mexico ends up curtailing immigration while Congress and the president fight over the wall.
Yeah no question it will be his biggest win, one he can take full credit for. People on Reeeset are already falling into despair over it.
 

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There is no way you can spin this as anything but a win for trump.

All trump had to do is threaten tariffs, Mexico literally shit their pants the same night and send special envoys to negotiate,

The State Department said in a statement that as part of the agreement, Mexico will take "unprecedented steps" to increase enforcement to curb irregular migration, including the deployment of its National Guard throughout the country -- giving priority to Mexico's southern border.
The countries also agreed that individuals caught crossing into the US from Mexico seeking asylum will be "rapidly returned" to Mexico where they will await consideration of their asylum claims. Mexico, the declaration says, will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals. Mexico says it will offer jobs, health care and education to those people. In return, the US must expedite the asylum adjudication process.
The declaration also reiterates the countries' commitment from last year, which emphasizes US support for development in Central America and southern Mexico.
- CNN
We've already seen proof Mexico will keep up their end of the bargain, days before an agreement was even reached.
 
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Wow, I'm amazed at how quickly Mexico caved, and how far they capitulated.

Not only is Mexico stepping up efforts to curb illegal immigration at their own borders, but they're shouldering more of the migrants, even offering "to accept them and offer jobs, health care and education." They are also dismantling human smuggling operations.

This is a big humanitarian win as well as a win for the citizens on both sides of the border.

And all without needing a full stretch of wall built.
 
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Wow, I'm amazed at how quickly Mexico caved, and how far they capitulated.

Not only is Mexico stepping up efforts to curb illegal immigration at their own borders, but they're shouldering more of the migrants, even offering "to accept them and offer jobs, health care and education." They are also dismantling human smuggling operations.

This is a big humanitarian win as well as a win for the citizens on both sides of the border.

And all without needing a full stretch of wall built.
That's because Trump, since the start of his term, has done exactly what hes said hes going to do, and so quickly it's got everyone freaking out.

Most(and boy do I mean most)countries absolutely cannot engage the U.S. in any kind of trade war, especially if your a major exporter, or importer with the U.S. it would collapse their economy.

Now most of the time fellow politicians call another countries head of state(s) bluff. They are a hell of a lot more wary with Trump, as hes slapping tarriffs, dropping out of trade deals, nuclear deals, left and right without hesitation. This starts to weaken everyone elses negotiating position as Trump is using the full might if the U.S. economy to get exactly what he wants.

Dont like it? Boom! Tarriffs! What's that you say? Time for a new trade deal!

This type of negotiation works when your unquestionably the biggest kid in the sandbox.
 

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So I get that Mexico made a show of stopping some illegal crossings. Which is good. What’s to prevent them from falling back to their old ways as soon as the spotlight is off them?

I guess as long as Trump is president that spotlight stays on though?
 
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Hilarious. Mexican industry is a slave function of the USA- providing Yanks with goods made to acceptable quality with the cheapest labour and low transport distances. And now Yanks are to punish mexicans for being slaves.

Of course back in the days of named slavery, yanks did the same thing to their actual slaves. Do more for master or we'll make your miserable existence even worse.

And there's an unstated truth. When the USA used *might* to expand southward into spanish territory, it accepted (like the british did in canada with respect to the french population) that the captured territory would remain largely spanish in character, keep its spanish/aztec population, and accept that these people would need a *soft* border to interact with their own people on the other side.

Nothing forced Yankland to incorporate spanish/aztec lands. The USA chose to do it, and thus has an obligation to live up to the agreements made at the time.

*This* is why Trump's wall is a non-starter. A *real* wall policy would begin by giving those south lands back to Mexico, thus eliminating most of the spanish/mexican population in the south part of the USA, and *then* building a wall to protect the new border. But yanks always want to have their cake and eat it too.
Such a bizarre interpretation of 19th Century US history.
 
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You should probably wait for the details.

The State Department Friday evening said that the U.S. and Mexico agreed that “in the event the measures adopted do not have the expected results, they will take further actions” and that discussions between the two countries would continue.
So I get that Mexico made a show of stopping some illegal crossings. Which is good. What’s to prevent them from falling back to their old ways as soon as the spotlight is off them?

I guess as long as Trump is president that spotlight stays on though?
Threaten tariffs again. But he'll have pressure not to due to the economy slowing down and elections coming up.
 

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Wow, huge, huge win. It wasn't a total cave by Mexico, they didn't agree to "Safe country status" ie accepting all the asylum seekers. But they did agree to let them stay in Mexico while they wait for asylum hearings in the US. This pretty much eliminates the catch-and-release dilemma which forced hundreds of thousands to migrants to disappear and never show up again. It's a huge loss for the Democrats, there goes a large part their long-term scheme of changing the demographics of this country.
 
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Hilarious. Mexican industry is a slave function of the USA- providing Yanks with goods made to acceptable quality with the cheapest labour and low transport distances. And now Yanks are to punish mexicans for being slaves.

Of course back in the days of named slavery, yanks did the same thing to their actual slaves. Do more for master or we'll make your miserable existence even worse.

And there's an unstated truth. When the USA used *might* to expand southward into spanish territory, it accepted (like the british did in canada with respect to the french population) that the captured territory would remain largely spanish in character, keep its spanish/aztec population, and accept that these people would need a *soft* border to interact with their own people on the other side.

Nothing forced Yankland to incorporate spanish/aztec lands. The USA chose to do it, and thus has an obligation to live up to the agreements made at the time.

*This* is why Trump's wall is a non-starter. A *real* wall policy would begin by giving those south lands back to Mexico, thus eliminating most of the spanish/mexican population in the south part of the USA, and *then* building a wall to protect the new border. But yanks always want to have their cake and eat it too.

If someone thinks you're ignorant. Do not open your mouth and confirm it.

Texas fought and won its independence and was itself it's own country before choosing to join the US. Theres nothing to give back. It helps while trying to be clever to actually BE clever. Food for thought.
 
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