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Trump's debt limit deal with Dems likely to lead to DACA becoming law at end of year
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I don't know why people love to pop in without having read anything about what's going on and attempt to tell us all what's really up.
You're right you're confused because that's not what anyone is saying. Schumer and Pelosi played Trump against his own party in front of their faces to get into a very advantageous position. They used Trump's own ego and fickle nature against the very people he's supposed to be working for.
7DollarHagane
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Glad to hear that there is a Christian voice calling for daca to be made law because it's the good and right thing to do and not all Christians just follow the republican anti-immigrant dogma.
Immigration is a complex issue but it's hard to argue against letting people who have lived here their entire human experience that they can recall become citizens.
Immigration is a complex issue but it's hard to argue against letting people who have lived here their entire human experience that they can recall become citizens.
Where are you getting this from? Nothing on the first page of this thread says everyone is for Trump. How are you even getting confused? Did you read the OP or the rest of this thread?
TheOctodad
Member
Immigration is a weird one for even the most conservative Christian communities. The Biblical story and the concept of "missions" is tightly woven into the fabric of Church in America.
These kinds of moves hit Evangelicals especially where it hurts - thus the response.
It's a bygone conclusion that it will become law regardless of the Christian turnabout. There is no way that in 6 months America could handle having pictures and video across the nation of ICE storming homes and forcefully removing these innocent working citizens from their homes and families. Anyone knows they would be complicit for backing the team that let it happen.
Obama would be part of that accomplishment. The fact that DACA brought ~800,000 Dreamers out of the shadows changed the equation, and set the groundwork for a permanent, legislative solution. He probably saw this coming.
Turn it into a COPS-like show on Fox, and it'd sweep the ratings. No joke.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Yup. Imagine a phone call between the two.
Trump: "I got DACA passed! You couldn't! Admit it, I'm better!"
Obama: (in the background, a giant party) "Yup, you got me good Donald, I can't believe it"
It's like in DBZ when Vegeta finally surpasses Goku and brags to him about it, and Goku is just like "cool, way to go bro!" And then Obama takes off his weighted clothing.
That'd be amazing if Trump suddenly switched from undoing everything Obama did, to solidifying all of his executive orders into law. He still gets that feeling of superiority, while not destroying the country in the meantime.
hydragonwarrior
Member
I'd prefer Trump to live in his own delusion and assume he had everything to do with it. TBH if we can trick him into doing stuff like rejoining the Paris Agreement with an even more aggressive plan (because it's better than Obama's) then that's a win for everyone. Keep the narrative if he's just going to re-introduce Obama's plans again.
Gurgelhals
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ebullientprism
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More_Badass
Member
This is both pathetic and hilarious at the same time
Brock Reiher
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Maybe he actually will keep helping Dems if all he cares about is what CNN says, and Fox proved they'll back him no matter what he does.
At least until the Russia stuff starts up again and Dems start calling for impeachment.
When Kennedy steps down next year, Schumer and Pelosi need to remember this routine.
"Think of the headlines if you nominate Liu! She's from California! You'd have a chance at winning it in 2020! People there will love you for it!"
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I think the dichotomy of Trump's Ego, and by extension his need for a "win" combined with his irrationality caused by his racism and xenophobia is causing this. I don't know if a parallel exists in Politics.
Username1198
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Obligatory:
Hahahah lol my man
Dead Prince
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The whole sucking his own dick makes sense now
ratcliffja
Member
As long as he keeps working with them, I don't think the Democrats will push for impeachment even if damning evidence comes out. If anything, they could use it as leverage against him. It's better to ride it out to 2020 than be stuck with Pence or Ryan. If and when Trump sways back to the other side, Democrats could then push for impeachment. Alternatively, if they somehow get control of the House in 2018, they could push for impeachment then.
WiiredShawn
Member
This is what happens when you claim credit for "Art of the Deal" without actually writing it. You don't realize it's being used against you.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's going to depend on the evidence, it's still advantageous for Dems if the evidence is strong to impeach, aside from the right thing to do. Pence or Ryan will be lame duck president till 2020 in such a scenario, only to fight a virtually impossible battle for election.
acheron_xl
Member
Do not underestimate the value of having a New Yorker as minority leader.
Man...what if the Dems just play Trump for the next four years by promising him they'll make him look good in the media?
It will increase his chances of being reelected. But if Nancy and Chuck make him their puppet, it will be worth it.
Head of Vengarl
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SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
If he keeps siding with Democrats, REPUBLICANS might call for impeachment, and they have the majority. Something tells me Dems wouldn't oppose it.
paperboywriter
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How incompetent is the president?
very
Trump just leaving R's by the roadside for positive coverage before R's left him isn't how I saw things playing out, but all the same it's hilarious. The water is so incredibly poisoned by Trump that literally all the coverage so far has been Democrats outmaneuvering Trump on virtually every media station with the exception of FOX/Breitbart who are going all in on saying the GOP failed Trump.
It's pretty wild. I can't imagine Trump sits pretty on this coverage that basically gives him backhanded complements for riding on Dem policy coat tails but however long it runs for, it's to the benefit of democrats and anyone who isn't on board with his inhuman policies.
It's pretty wild. I can't imagine Trump sits pretty on this coverage that basically gives him backhanded complements for riding on Dem policy coat tails but however long it runs for, it's to the benefit of democrats and anyone who isn't on board with his inhuman policies.
Maybe they can convince him to switch parties again.
I'll believe it when I see it. It's the Dem game to compromise someone away
Captin Quacker
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It's a weird feeling reading somthing that's completely unbelievable and yet makes perfect sense at the same time
Hahaahahahahahaha oh my god.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Sounds like there are some surprises in store.
Mr. Poolman
Member
The man thinks the world is a whole reality show.
Just keep telling him "this will make you popular" and manipulate his ass.
Just keep telling him "this will make you popular" and manipulate his ass.
The Trump Show is the most popular and bizzare reality show ever.
Cesare Borgia
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Republicans have no leverage here. All Pelosi has to do is walk away and Ryan won't be able to pass another debt ceiling raise or spending bill. She has at least 99% control of her caucus, whereas Ryan is going to lose enough republicans to imperil any GOP strategy.
This is basically a repeat of what we saw over and over between Pelosi and Boehner. Boehner was constantly unable to pass basic bills, resulting in him being forced to work with Pelosi (and the White House).
Will DACA get done during this process? I don't know. I think it'll likely be passed within the next 6 months, however I don't really buy the idea that it'll get done in December. What I do know is that Trump essentially torpedoed republican legislative goals for 2017. They needed the next few months to hammer down tax reform in some form or fashion. Now the deck is stacked with items that HAVE to be addressed, and I see no reason to believe Paul Ryan can maneuver the next 3 months perfectly. The debt ceiling will get done, for sure; there is no other option. A spending bill might get done. Tax reform? Good luck lol.
Guys, think about it for a moment:
The GOP couldn't control Trump in the past 8 months. 2 years if you count the general.
The Democrats managed to tame him in only 2 days.
Can you imagine the leftist shit Trump will sign if they just coddle his ego? This Presidency would then proceed to be..... at least somewhat, barley tolerable.
The GOP couldn't control Trump in the past 8 months. 2 years if you count the general.
The Democrats managed to tame him in only 2 days.
Can you imagine the leftist shit Trump will sign if they just coddle his ego? This Presidency would then proceed to be..... at least somewhat, barley tolerable.