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Two Muslims were removed from an airplane after passengers complained.

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Kicker is that they were flying to a conference on prejudice against Muslims (Islamophobia).

(CNN) -- An airline is investigating the removal of two imams from a flight headed to North Carolina, ostensibly because passengers felt uncomfortable with their presence of the pair -- both clad in Islamic attire.
The incident occurred Friday on an Atlanta Southeast Airlines flight from Tennessee to North Carolina and it involved Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Zaghloul were wearing traditional Muslim dress, CNN affiliate WCNC reported.
The two -- who hold high religious positions in the Muslim community -- were headed to North Carolina for a conference on prejudice against Muslims, or Islamaphobia. The meeting is sponsored by the North American Imams Federation.
Rahman, who is a professor at the University of Memphis, told the affiliate that the incident reminded him of the prejudice Rosa Parks faced during the civil rights movement.
"That history I found today in that plane, and it shouldn't happen with any other person," he said.
Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which operated the flight, said the incident is under investigation, and apologized "for any inconvenience that this may have caused."
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the civil rights group Council on American-Islamic Relations, told CNN the two men contacted his office and said they were told that passengers were uncomfortable with them on the flight.
"They went through security, even went through secondary security, and got on the plane, were taxiing out," he said.
But then, they were taxied back, Hooper said.
"TSA came on and pulled them off and said the pilot was refusing to fly with them because passengers were uncomfortable with them," Hooper said, referring to the Transportation Security Administration.
Hooper said officials re-screened them and found they were no threat.
While officials tried to get the men back on the plane, "the pilot absolutely refused and ultimately took off," Hooper said.
The airlines did not say why the two men were taken off the flight, but said they were given the opportunity to fly on a different flight.
"Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 5452 from Memphis to Charlotte returned to the gate to allow for additional screening of a passenger and the passenger's companion," the statement said. "We take security and safety very seriously, and the event is currently under investigation."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/05/07/muslims.kicked.off.plane/index.html?hpt=T2
 
As if a Terrorist is going to dress like an imam? Terrorists make every effort to blend in, be subversive and unnoticed.
 
Typical terrible journalism.

We have no information from the passengers on board. The airline has yet to state the reasons for the removal.

Most of the article information is from the 2 Inams that were kicked off ... however really considering their heading to a 'islamaphobia' conference (you know that term that indicates religious preference as a race).


What we do know is that it takes a lot for a pilot to openly refuse to fly ... which poses some serious questions.
 
The airlines did not say why the two men were taken off the flight, but said they were given the opportunity to fly on a different flight.

Why not offering those who complained a different flight?
 
"Hi there, i'll be your terrorist for today. See, cause i have a beard and a robe and YOU don't know what i have under it."

Shamefull.
 
I actually don't fault TSA here because they were just re-checking due to complaint. The fucking pilot is a dickface for not letting them back on and just deciding to take off.
 
Casp0r said:
Typical terrible journalism.

We have no information from the passengers on board. The airline has yet to state the reasons for the removal.

Most of the article information is from the 2 Inams that were kicked off ... however really considering their heading to a 'islamaphobia' conference (you know that term that indicates religious preference as a race).


What we do know is that it takes a lot for a pilot to openly refuse to fly ... which poses some serious questions.
guilty until proven innocent?
 
Does this mean I can get my neighbor evicted for having a Confederate flag? I mean, I'm worried every time I have a black or gay person at my house that he might blow my house up.
 
It is a sad news but things like this are bond to happen when Western media gives such a negative figure of Muslims
 
Casp0r said:
Typical terrible journalism.

We have no information from the passengers on board. The airline has yet to state the reasons for the removal.

Most of the article information is from the 2 Inams that were kicked off ... however really considering their heading to a 'islamaphobia' conference (you know that term that indicates religious preference as a race).


What we do know is that it takes a lot for a pilot to openly refuse to fly ... which poses some serious questions.
Yeah. They probably made it all up. I agree. Those bloody Inams.

Would you like to speculate on what questions it raises? Or maybe postulate what the REAL reason is? We all know how rare discrimination against Muslims or people who look like them is.
 
Casp0r said:
Most of the article information is from the 2 Inams that were kicked off ... however really considering their heading to a 'islamaphobia' conference (you know that term that indicates religious preference as a race).

What? Howso?
 
theignoramus said:
guilty until proven innocent?

No I call it suspicious ... but I'll withhold judgment until a decent journalist uncovers the actual details and accounts from both sides.

However it seems everyone is already making up their minds about this incident ... regardless to the lack of information. Nice going people.
 
Casp0r said:
However it seems everyone is already making up their minds about this incident ... regardless to the lack of information. Nice going people.


Nope, just you.
 
theignoramus said:
guilty until proven innocent?

Yeah, that would apply if this had anything to do with criminal charges.

I agree that there's more to the story; doesn't make it right, but there's a lot of information missing. All we're told is that the pilot said other passengers were uncomfortable. I see people squabbling on planes all the time, nobody ever gets kicked off.

You'd need a whole chain of bigots without one rational person among them to have this happen only because they were Muslim. Passengers can't just walk up to the pilot and voice their concerns.
 
Casp0r said:
however really considering their heading to a 'islamaphobia' conference (you know that term that indicates religious preference as a race).
it's kinda silly that 'islamophobia' is lumped together with issues such as homophobia an racism
you can change your religion, you can't change your sexuality/race
so yeah, while this is a pretty retarded move i'm not gonna lose any sleep over this

fake edit: on the other hand, it probably was the way they looked, not their religion. if they were white muslims wearing normal clothes, nothing would've happened.
such a complicated issue.

tl;dr: fuck racism and fuck religion
 
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Gaborn said:
What? Howso?

http://www.salaam.co.uk/maktabi/islamophobia.html

A more accurate expression would be 'anti-Islamic racism' for it combines the elements of dislike of a religion and active discrimination against the people belonging to that religion.

http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/about-us/

Islamophobia Watch has been founded with a determination not to allow the racist ideology of Western Imperialism to gain common currency in its demonisation of Islam.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamophobia

Islam is an ideology with followers from varying backgrounds. It is not a race and therefore the rejection of Islam cannot be classified as racism. Christians, Communists or Hindus do not accuse their critics of being racist; the mere thought of that happening is ridiculous, yet Muslims and their supporters do this all the time.

Just a few examples. Granted a few smart Muslims out there realised a religion isn't a racial identity and use more appropriate descriptions.
 
Casp0r said:
No I call it suspicious ... but I'll withhold judgment until a decent journalist uncovers the actual details and accounts from both sides.

However it seems everyone is already making up their minds about this incident ... regardless to the lack of information. Nice going people.

Your islamophobia comment shows that you're just making up shit too. Who should we believe?
 
Fezan said:
Because they had beards big big terrorist looking beard and how can you forget the robes

That's even less responsive. I'm trying to figure out how the term "Islamaphobia" relates racial preference to racism. All the term means is bigotry against Muslims. Everything we currently know suggests that's a very good comparison. So why would it be notable to use such a term? I mean, you can think calling this situation the result of islamaphobia is premature, but it seems like Casp0r objected to the term itself rather than merely being used in this story.
 
According to the West Australian:

Transportation Security Administration spokesman John Allen in Atlanta confirmed the incident and said it was not initiated by the agency.

As to the Islamaphobia thing, I will quote myself from another thread:

I think that racism is not about the recognition of actual traits. Race is an imaginary schema imposed upon a group, often who bear ethnic similiarities.

In this sense, racism is more about the use of imaginary schema based upon percieved ethnic traits upon a group of people, with the purpose of enforcing or justifying a power structure over such a group.

In this sense, the descrimination against Muslims occurs in a racist context, and can be regarded as a form of racism itself. It is a means through which an ethnic group is descriminated against, while making such descrimination immune from prosecution under racial descrimination laws. This is ironic considering that most of the Niqabis in Australia are Anglo-Saxon converts :P

The way that racism against people who are blatantly Muslim manifests itself is predominantly not through attacks on the religion itself, but rather racial attacks. When people yell at me or my wife from cars, it is usually racist abuse, like calling me an 'Arab dog' or a 'Wog'. It is rarely 'I reject your assertion of Tawhid' or something related to my religion. I know a sister who is white as snow, but wears the hijab, and had someone yell 'you black slut' in her face.

People who are racist use Islam as an excuse to justify their fears about immigration or racial miscegination or whatever. Attaching Islam to such concerns is a way of shielding themselves from critique, as it is far more acceptable to attack a religion (at least a minority one) than it is to be racist.

Then again, most rights based discourses count religious descrimination as just a problematic thing as racial descrimination.

Objections to Islam are not always based in race, as they can be intellectual or ideological differences, but Islamaphobia is most certainly often about race. This is not an intellectual difference, but a fear of an 'other'.

I think in this case, what is likely is that the fact that these men were dressed in subcontinental and Arab clothing is the spark. Not the fact that anyone asked them about their beliefs.
 
Boozeroony said:
Why not offering those who complained a different flight?

They probably didn't want to fly the plane with only 2 people on it.

Also it looks like the pilot might have been one of the idiots.
 
thcsquad said:
I don't get how this relates to the term Islamophobia. Islam isn't a race...great. Phobia has nothing to do with race, so where is this coming from?

The best part is the islamaphobia link suggests:

A more accurate expression would be 'anti-Islamic racism' for it combines the elements of dislike of a religion and active discrimination against the people belonging to that religion. The discrimination is racist because it is based on the belief that no matter what such a person does s/he will never be an acceptable to or in the West. But if there is still little awareness of and sensitivity to 'Islamophobia' then 'anti-Islamic racism' stands even less of a chance of widespread usage and acceptance in the mainstream media and among politicians. But the struggle is as much over discourse as over actual experience and therefore no effort should be spared to focus on every aspect of what some may call Islamophobia and others anti-Islamic racism.

Which is rather challenging to square with
their heading to a 'islamaphobia' conference (you know that term that indicates religious preference as a race).
and why he'd use that link considering his views on the term.

Ottoman Scribe - Sure, but I think in a broader context people were reacting because it met their fearful perception of what a "Muslim" looks like. Even though "Muslim" can mean anything. To use an analogy, a straight person can be gay bashed because they're perceived as gay. Of course what is really being attacked is typically effeminacy but only because that's a characteristic the people that gay bash associate as being highly negative and highly correlated with gays.
 
Gaborn said:
That's even less responsive. I'm trying to figure out how the term "Islamaphobia" relates racial preference to racism. All the term means is bigotry against Muslims. Everything we currently know suggests that's a very good comparison. So why would it be notable to use such a term? I mean, you can think calling this situation the result of islamaphobia is premature, but it seems like Casp0r objected to the term itself rather than merely being used in this story.
it was a sarcastic comment..
Btw i feel its natural that these types of things are occurring but people should be educated
 
Fezan said:
it was a sarcastic comment..
Btw i feel its natural that these types of things are occurring but people should be educated

Yeah, I figured that out just after posting, I left it mainly because I think it clarifies my objection to Casp0r's comment more fully.
 
Gaborn said:
Ottoman Scribe - Sure, but I think in a broader context people were reacting because it met their fearful perception of what a "Muslim" looks like. Even though "Muslim" can mean anything. To use an analogy, a straight person can be gay bashed because they're perceived as gay. Of course what is really being attacked is typically effeminacy but only because that's a characteristic the people that gay bash associate as being highly negative and highly correlated with gays.
I think that in this sense it becomes hard to seperate what they think a Muslim looks like, with racial stereotypes of Arabs, which are based in racism.

Looking at another thread, Casp0r defends the EDL, so I think we can all move on. They had to be taken off the flight because of the Muslamic ray guns.
(my dismissive post for the day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU
 
Some of you need to check your grammar before you post. Anyways, I find it highly ironic they were going to a conference against Islamphobia and they themselves were kicked out for the same reason. Pilot is a douche too.
 
krae_man said:
They probably didn't want to fly the plane with only 2 people on it.

Also it looks like the pilot might have been of the idiots.
It seems that the main person with the problem was the pilot. Apparently the passengers were asked if they had a problem and they said no :D

But the pilot refused anyway.
 
OttomanScribe said:
I think that in this sense it becomes hard to seperate what they think a Muslim looks like, with racial stereotypes of Arabs, which are based in racism.

Looking at another thread, Casp0r defends the EDL, so I think we can all move on. They had to be taken off the flight because of the Muslamic ray guns.
(my dismissive post for the day)

Definitely. A lot of the hysteria around Muslims conflates them with Arabs. I don't think for example a blond, blue eyed Muslim man in a western business suit would attract this response - because people wouldn't know they were in fact Muslim. They "know" because of their style of dress and their skin color.

also, that link was hilarious!
 
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