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UK Nanny State | Oi guv, that there's an assault spoon, innit?

Blood Borne

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So London has literally become a fascist dictatorship and people are still supporting this? I have given up hope for the world.

Control what you think, what you say, what you watch, take away any means to defend yourself. How long before they just start carrying people away to be executed for swearing or watching a dirty movie. Fuck Sadiq Khan.
A country gets the type of leadership they want. The citizens of the country want a dictatorship, they believe in a false sense of security over freedom.
 
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There's both good and bad ways to interpret this.
I'll sit on the fence a little longer.
There’s no good way to interpret it. Government should never be in the business to “educate” people. Government education inherently means indoctrination. Someone forcing their morals and values on everyone else, that is just immoral, wrong and fascist.
 
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This video gives you an idea of what inner-city London youths are like:


It's easy to see why so many have already left or plan to leave London.
Foul-mouthed, self-absorbed and sexualised from a young age. You can only imagine what these young people will be like when they are adults.
It doesn't look good for London's future.
It's called Londonistan for a reason.
 

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Been a while lads. They've only gone and cancelled the porn blocker! It's as if it was an insane idea that coffin dodgers came up with that would never work in a hundred years:

 
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I'm kind of late to the thread, but this one in particular irritates the hell out of me.

It isn't actually illegal to sell these things to kids, but the rumours have filtered down through the retail trade, presumably starting with some big chain scared shitless of being prosecuted for something. And the stuff that is 'supposedly' banned grows day by day.

Now, I have a shop. I sell sharp things. I sell sharp things to kids even, and there's nearly always some busybody around to tell me I shouldn't do it or that it's illegal. Luckily, I know the law - so I go through the Act from memory:

So I'm holding up an awl or something ...

"is it a knife?" No
"is it a knife blade?" No
"is it an axe?" No
"is it made to injure people" No
"is it modified to injure people?" No, it's not modified at all

OK, I can sell it then. Next please!

I really hope one day to get one of those undercover kids the police sometimes use.
 
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Been a while lads. They've only gone and cancelled the porn blocker! It's as if it was an insane idea that coffin dodgers came up with that would never work in a hundred years:

I hope I can claim some of my tax back on this nonsense.
 

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It is so much worse you can not imagine the constant threat we live under.

Just today, I went to the local steel supplier/recycler and bought about 2meters worth of a 304 stainless steel rod, 3mm by 40mm.
When I got home to the shed I used an angle grinder to cut off about a 30 cm section of it,
then used my bench grinder to shape it like a BIG knife and created a rough edge.
Finally I used my diamond stones and turned the edge super sharp.
It took ~15 minutes!!!!!!! and it turned into a super sharp knife with a huge blade and a sharp point!!!

No one asked for ID!!! WTF
No one recorded that I bought this steel rod/bar. Where is the fucking tracking?
No one even did a background check on me.
No interview or check "are you licenced to buy steel bars?" "what is the purpose of this steel bar?"
I didn't have to justify to anyone that I bought a 3mm by 4mm stainless steel bar.


I even tried to modify the blade with my angle grinder and turned it into a blade with TWO
deadly sharp points!!! I could! Twice the points and twice the deadliness!
And no one asked for ID when I bought this steel bar!


People in UK, this is a threat to society. Please ask, or demand, that your local MP will
* create a register for people that buy steel bars/rods
* create a system that tracks purchashes of steel bars
* bans ownership/usage of angle grinders unless proper background checks are in place.
* bans ownership/use of bench grinders.
* bans diamond stones or other sharpening tools.
* ban WD-40 too. I used it as lubricant for the diamond stone sharpening process!
* ban import of steel too. My bar was made in TAIWAN, heat treated even, but a lot of countries do sell these murder weapon/raw materials so we must ban it all.


We can never be safe until this is all banned.
 
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This is a very frightening thread. Christ I had no idea things have gotten so bad in the UK.

The great thing about Ireland is everyone is too incompetent to implement any sort of surveillance technology or any technology for that matter.
 
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This is a very frightening thread. Christ I had no idea things have gotten so bad in the UK.

The great thing about Ireland is everyone is too incompetent to implement any sort of surveillance technology or any technology for that matter.
You guys just enjoy the beer and banter.

The UK has issues, but most people (at least where I live) just laugh at these stupid things to be honest.

You can't buy a Baseball Bat on it's own as it is classed as a "Weapon" but you can buy a Baseball Bat with a Ball...that is totally fine.

The whole Knife Crime is down to a few factors, but I would say that the main reason is the lack of Punishment for those who harm and kill other people as any Teenager who commits this can be "rehabilitated", which is just wrong on so many levels. You kill someone, you should be in Jail for Life (or as some people are campaigning for, the death penalty).

The Government is a mess because of Brexit and try to pass through stupid laws as all the Governments don't trust their own people for judgement.
 
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This is a very frightening thread. Christ I had no idea things have gotten so bad in the UK.

The great thing about Ireland is everyone is too incompetent to implement any sort of surveillance technology or any technology for that matter.
Honestly I would love a massive CCTV setup in the city centre here in Cork. Cops dont do fuck all here they're never around.
 
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Despite a host of legal restrictions on firearms and knives, not to mention a society that increasingly resembles a panopticon in the thoroughness of the surveillance to which it's subjected, the U.K.'s crime rates remain stubbornly resistant to reduction. Last year, London's murder rate briefly overtook that of New York City—a feat likely to be repeated as crime continues its decline in the U.S.—and the latest U.K. figures show an increase in violent crimes committed with both guns and knives.

So, do right-thinking Britons propose loosening the country's tight rules regarding self-defense so that people can more easily deal with two-legged predators? Hell, no. Instead, they want to ban pointy knives. Yes, really—churchmen, physicians, judges, and lawmakers want to tightly restrict or completely outlaw the possession of knives with sharp ends.
The latest call for knife controls comes from the Church of England, the nation's officially sponsored religious franchise.

"We the undersigned are professionals and community leaders from across the UK who call on Government to see the sale of pointed domestic kitchen knives as a thing of the past," reads the not-a-parody open letter from the Diocese of Rochester, signed by church leaders, lawmakers, psychiatrists, academics, and the like. "Historically we needed a point on the end of our knife to pick up food because forks weren't invented. Now we only need the point to open packets when we can't be bothered to find the scissors."
The September letter would be easier to laugh of if it weren't signed by so many people who are in a position to turn it into law, widely reported as serious stuff indeed, and an echo of calls from elsewhere.

Just months ago, a Conservative member of Parliament made headlines when he took a different, but equally restrictive, approach to regulating sharp pieces of metal.

"Every knife sold in the UK should have a gps tracker fitted in the handle," insisted Scott Mann. "It's time we had a national database like we do with guns."
 
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It's a good thing no one takes particular notice of the Church of England here.

What really should be happening to tackle knife crime is extending and backing additional police powers of stop and search. Unfortunately we have a Labour Mayor of London, and as such he doesn't want to get tough in this area because it would offend the demographic of his party voters. The same kind of inaction resulted in the kinds of scandals such as Rotherham and Rochdale. They would rather not offend anyone than actually do the right thing and tackle crime.
 

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Maybe we should just hand out knives to everyone. To level the playing field.
It's a good thing no one takes particular notice of the Church of England here.

What really should be happening to tackle knife crime is extending and backing additional police powers of stop and search. Unfortunately we have a Labour Mayor of London, and as such he doesn't want to get tough in this area because it would offend the demographic of his party voters. The same kind of inaction resulted in the kinds of scandals such as Rotherham and Rochdale. They would rather not offend anyone than actually do the right thing and tackle crime.
You sound very convinced S&S is a simple solution that solves the problem. So why has it never been tried? Oh, it has.


“We used ten years of police, crime and other data from London to investigate the potential effect of stop and search on crime."

“We find that S&S has only a very weak and inconsistent association with crime. While there is some correlation, most notably in relation to drug offences, we conclude that the deterrent effect of S&S is likely to be small, at best…"

“We struggled to find evidence of an effect of S&S on violent crime.”

I mean there were effects: with a 10% increase in S&S during a given month, recorded drug offences would be a staggering 1.85% lower during the next month. Non-domestic violent crime was a full 0.01% lower.
 
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Ah yes, how dare the police take dangerous weapons off the street. I know as an America you are wondering why we aren't giving them an assault rifle in return.


Right wing morons trying to stir up fear mainly.
Yet another shitty hot take from yet another shitty hot taker.

Was it 'Right wing morons' that just killed two people on London Bridge?
Was it 'Right wing morons' that killed around 10 people on London Bridge in 2017?

We both know the answer. But only one of us is petulant and dishonest enough to deny it.
 

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Yet another shitty hot take from yet another shitty hot taker.

Was it 'Right wing morons' that just killed two people on London Bridge?
Was it 'Right wing morons' that killed around 10 people on London Bridge in 2017?

We both know the answer. But only one of us is petulant and dishonest enough to deny it.
Was it "Right wing morons" that killed Jo Cox?

Was it "Right wing morons" that killed a person with their car in Finsbury park?

All this talk of hot-takes, yours are as fresh as 2 year old tweets about chomping vegetables.
 
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I referenced 2017 because it happens to be the same location as a terror attack a while 3 days ago.

Trying to pass that off as some wild irrelevant hot-take says more about you than it does me.
 

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Right. So you don't have an answer. Just noise.
I'm still waiting for you to justify Londonistan as a reflective title for London. At the moment we're at you saying its shorthand for London Bridge because there have been two terror attacks on London Bridge. Anything I missed?
 

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Ah yes, how dare the police take dangerous weapons off the street. I know as an America you are wondering why we aren't giving them an assault rifle in return.


Right wing morons trying to stir up fear mainly.
The issue is that their efforts to take “dangerous weapons” (anything remotely sharp) off the streets is ineffective. They are arresting innocent people for having box cutters, but the country hasn’t actually gotten much safer.
 

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I'm still waiting for you to justify Londonistan as a reflective title for London. At the moment we're at you saying its shorthand for London Bridge because there have been two terror attacks on London Bridge. Anything I missed?
The London mayor said that the constant looming danger of terrorists attacks is “part and parcel of living in a big city”.

That, along with their overkill face-detected surveillance, seem to imply that the London people cannot be trusted to not commit terrorist attacks.

Londonistan is a pretty apt phrase.
 

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The London mayor said that the constant looming danger of terrorists attacks is “part and parcel of living in a big city”.

That, along with their overkill face-detected surveillance, seem to imply that the London people cannot be trusted to not commit terrorist attacks.

Londonistan is a pretty apt phrase.
That doesnt explain Londonistan though, that's just your view of London. Maybe you can tell me what the affix describes.
 
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I'm still waiting for you to justify Londonistan as a reflective title for London. At the moment we're at you saying its shorthand for London Bridge because there have been two terror attacks on London Bridge. Anything I missed?
I never made that claim, so you're barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps if you check what people said you'd be able to provide simple answers to simple questions instead of lashing out at people for not marching lock-step with whatever view you happen to opine.

However, you decided to raise a reference to Finsbury park in response to what I had said, so I'm looking forward to you quantifying it by answering my question:

Enlighten me as to which terrorist incidents have happened in Finsbury Park in the last 3 days please. Thanks.
 
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I never made that claim, so you're barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps if you check what people said you'd be able to provide simple answers to simple questions instead of lashing out at people for not marching lock-step with whatever view you happen to opine.

However, you decided to raise a reference to Finsbury park in response to what I had said, so I'm looking forward to you quantifying it by answering my question:
Ah ok, barking up the wrong tree is it? Good. Regarding your question, I too never made the claim because rather stupidly when you said “same location” I thought it referred to London, as in Londonistan like the word you’re defending, and not the exact location like London Bridge.
 
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Ah ok, barking up the wrong tree is it? Good
Yes. Don't put words in my mouth. Don't ascribe views from others as belonging to me.
Regarding your question, I too never made the claim because rather stupidly when you said “same location” I thought it referred to London
Perhaps you need to slow down and read things more carefully then.
Regardless, you still decided to raise the reference to Finsbury park and you still need to quantify it instead of trying to make out like you didn't say what is already in black and white on this page.
as in Londonistan like the word you’re defending
So you pretend you didn't say words that you actually said..
..and pretend others did say words that they didn't actually say.

Show me, verbatim, where I have done what you claim I'm doing.

If your next reply doesn't provide the two examples required as a result of things you chose to say then we can just proceed knowing that you're not reading anything and simply preferring to steamroll your view across everyone else.
 
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funkygunther

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Show me, verbatim, where I have done what you claim I'm doing.

If your next reply doesn't provide the two examples required as a result of things you chose to say then we can just proceed knowing that you're not reading anything and simply preferring to steamroll your view across everyone else.
The ascribed usage of Londonistan from right wing morons triggered a response from you to then rhetorically ask if it was right wing morons that terrorised London 3 days ago and in 2017. There was then an aside where right wing morons have terrorised the UK, one right wing moron particularly in London. You then clarified that you didn’t mean right wing morons in London but right wing morons specifically on London Bridge. We’re here now reflecting on the conversation. There was something about the initial call for Londonistan being used by right wing morons that initiated your rhetorical question and I’m trying to ascertain why. Maybe you can spell it out for me?
 
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You've just demonstrated that your grasp on what people say isn't tennable, so doubling down on your questionable interpretations as a way to support your questionable interpretations is simply further evidence of you not listening to anyone but yourself.

That's why I said
Show me, verbatim, where I have done what you claim I'm doing.
You don't read.
 

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You've just demonstrated that your grasp on what people say isn't tennable, so doubling down on your questionable interpretations as a way to support your questionable interpretations is simply further evidence of you not listening to anyone but yourself.

That's why I said


You don't read.
What do you think I’m claiming on you? I’m pretty sure you just don’t like explaining yourself and when backed into a corner immediately can’t take it. An intriguing enough topic in itself I’d say.
 
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What do you think I’m claiming on you?
I quoted your claim in a post you then quoted yourself.

You don't read.

I’m pretty sure you just don’t like explaining yourself and when backed into a corner immediately can’t take it
I have no reason to explain myself for something that didn't happen. You have yet to show, verbatim, that it did happen.

This is you attempting to steamroll onward, assuming superiority, whilst you have yet to provide the necessary information.

Now, if you actually read, you'd see that I already point this trait out a few posts back.

You don't read.
 
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