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UK Nanny State | Oi guv, that there's an assault spoon, innit?

matt404au

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So, there are at least two classes of people:

1.) Those who plan and commit crimes and are willing to use weapons to do so, no matter what the possible sanctions are.
2.) Those who would only ever use a weapon in self defence, to defend against the threat of a physical assault

But isn't there a third group?

3.) Those that carry a weapon to defend themselves, but will instigate violence against those that they feel threatened by.

Do violent confrontations only occur when hardened criminals are involved?
Wouldn't class 3 be part of class 1?
 

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Wouldn't class 3 be part of class 1?
No because the people in class 3 don't plan to commit any crime. They just get involved in a confrontation and use the weapon they have to hand in retaliation, in the heat of the moment.
 

matt404au

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No because the people in class 3 don't plan to commit any crime. They just get involved in a confrontation and use the weapon they have to hand in retaliation, in the heat of the moment.
You’re basically making a murder vs. manslaughter argument that isn’t really relevant. Both are illegal.
 

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You’re basically making a murder vs. manslaughter argument that isn’t really relevant. Both are illegal.
OSC's argument is that "criminals" don't respect the laws anyway, so any ban on carrying weapons won't achieve anything. But my point is that this fails to distinguish between career criminals and those that may commit criminal acts (eg. manslaughter) given specific provocation. In the second group there may be some that would not carry weapons if the legal and/or social sanctions were sufficiently great.
 

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So, there are at least two classes of people:

1.) Those who plan and commit crimes and are willing to use weapons to do so, no matter what the possible sanctions are.
2.) Those who would only ever use a weapon in self defence, to defend against the threat of a physical assault

But isn't there a third group?

3.) Those that carry a weapon to defend themselves, but will instigate violence against those that they feel threatened by.

Do violent confrontations only occur when hardened criminals are involved?
There are exceptions. I've not looked at statistics, but I would imagine criminal knife violence is far more common than accidental self defense knife violence.
 

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If you have a knife, you’ll be arrested. If you’ve already been the victims of knife violence, we will give you knives instead of protecting you from your abuser.



Then again, I suppose repeat victims are thick enough skin that this is a solution?
 

EviLore

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If you have a knife, you’ll be arrested. If you’ve already been the victims of knife violence, we will give you knives instead of protecting you from your abuser.



Then again, I suppose repeat victims are thick enough skin that this is a solution?
What in the world is with those knife designs? Even beyond the blunted tips, those look like discount kitchen utensils, not self-defense weapons.
 

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If you have a knife, you’ll be arrested. If you’ve already been the victims of knife violence, we will give you knives instead of protecting you from your abuser.



Then again, I suppose repeat victims are thick enough skin that this is a solution?
Slash Slash not pokey pokey!
 
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That place sounds terrible and these photos are depressing.

Why make your citizens so defenseless against the obvious crime problem?

Strong offense or retaliation capability is a great deterrent for crime.
 
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Avasarala

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Slashy slashy... pokey pokey...

Fine by me... I studied Sabre as well as Epee.

Right of way apply?
 
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When have the British ever used these measures for benevolent reasons?


Similar enforcements can be found all throughout the territories of the former British Empire.

But now that you've turned the same knife against yourselves, I guess it's okay?
 
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What in the world is with those knife designs? Even beyond the blunted tips, those look like discount kitchen utensils, not self-defense weapons.
Yes, they look like (cheap) kitchen utensils because they are.
They are not for self-defence. they are to replace all other kitchen knives in your house so that there is no weapon.
Because if there is no pointy-tip knives in the kitchen, then domestic violence can not happen.

I.e. throw away all your current kitchen knives and replace them with these instead. Because, in the kitchen, when you cook, there is never a situation where you may need/use the point of a kitchen knife.

Said it before. A mercy-nuke campaign over brittain is the only solution.
 
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EviLore

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Yes, they look like (cheap) kitchen utensils because they are.
They are not for self-defence. they are to replace all other kitchen knives in your house so that there is no weapon.
Because if there is no pointy-tip knives in the kitchen, then domestic violence can not happen.

I.e. throw away all your current kitchen knives and replace them with these instead. Because, in the kitchen, when you cook, there is never a situation where you may need/use the point of a kitchen knife.

Said it before. A mercy-nuke campaign over brittain is the only solution.
Oh, yeah, I totally misread the situation, because it's an insane premise.
 

DeepEnigma

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Yes, they look like (cheap) kitchen utensils because they are.
They are not for self-defence. they are to replace all other kitchen knives in your house so that there is no weapon.
Because if there is no pointy-tip knives in the kitchen, then domestic violence can not happen.

I.e. throw away all your current kitchen knives and replace them with these instead. Because, in the kitchen, when you cook, there is never a situation where you may need/use the point of a kitchen knife.

Said it before. A mercy-nuke campaign over brittain is the only solution.
Slash a bitch, don't stick a bitch is what they are saying. 🤡 :messenger_ok:
 

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If you have a knife, you’ll be arrested. If you’ve already been the victims of knife violence, we will give you knives instead of protecting you from your abuser.



Then again, I suppose repeat victims are thick enough skin that this is a solution?
This...this is amazing.

I'm sure they are ecstatic the government has been so generous in their protection scheme.

As an American the absurdity of this is amusing as hell.
 

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Popped in to remind folks that it's not all bad. Went for a nice long walk up in the Yorkshire dales last weekend, even without the sunshine it was really lovely. Had plenty of good afternoons from fellow walkers, finished on a crisp pint in a pub with a local band playing. Remember, most of England is great outside of London and our (lack of) government.



Now then, back to it, everyone.

OI GUVNA WOT IF YA TELLY WAS A DOG
 

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knives can be sharpened right, someone gruntled me this once

back when i was wandering the savanna and steppes
 
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Popped in to remind folks that it's not all bad. Went for a nice long walk up in the Yorkshire dales last weekend, even without the sunshine it was really lovely. Had plenty of good afternoons from fellow walkers, finished on a crisp pint in a pub with a local band playing. Remember, most of England is great outside of London and our (lack of) government.



Now then, back to it, everyone.

OI GUVNA WOT IF YA TELLY WAS A DOG
Ahhhh Yorkshire Dales. On my doorstep :)
 

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Quote from the comments. "The officers done a good job and i respect for the female officers".

But the other female officer just sat there panicking the whole time the other two were having a tussle.
 

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If you have a knife, you’ll be arrested. If you’ve already been the victims of knife violence, we will give you knives instead of protecting you from your abuser.



Then again, I suppose repeat victims are thick enough skin that this is a solution?
Clumsy and inept.
 

matt404au

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Quote from the comments. "The officers done a good job and i respect for the female officers".

But the other female officer just sat there panicking the whole time the other two were having a tussle.
It’s almost as if men and women evolved to fulfill different roles in a cooperative society. Radical thinking, I know. Oops, I just realised this is hate speech so excuse me while I go and give myself fifty lashes at the Altar of Intersectional Feminism.
 

Blood Borne

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That place sounds terrible and these photos are depressing.

Why make your citizens so defenseless against the obvious crime problem?

Strong offense or retaliation capability is a great deterrent for crime.
Totalitarians hate armed civilians. Also they’ll do anything to make people depend more on the state, thus increasing their power.
 

Blood Borne

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This is the evil of “equality”. There are some jobs just not suited for women, i.e. police, army, security, firefighters, etc.
This has nothing to do with sexism but with reality and biology. PC is literally killing people. Lies kills and that’s exactly what political correctness is, LIES.

Last year, I read about how a female firefighter couldn’t lift up a man from a wreckage and had to drag him, tearing off his ligaments in the process.
 
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AV

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Yeah, right. My phone says otherwise.
It got delayed (again) until next year - which means, they have no fucking idea how they're going to do it and someone's let them know it will be completely and utterly ineffective, and it'll probably get canned.
 

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So London has literally become a fascist dictatorship and people are still supporting this? I have given up hope for the world.

Control what you think, what you say, what you watch, take away any means to defend yourself. How long before they just start carrying people away to be executed for swearing or watching a dirty movie. Fuck Sadiq Khan.
 
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