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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.

Xavien

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Chinner said:
New Labour:: Opposing party, Harriet Harman currently acting as party leader with Gordon Brown resigning as PM, but has leadership elections coming soon. Stands for the people (apparently), but is actually turning into the Tories.

You're going to get shit for that ducky, just saying :lol
 

Souldriver

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I hope the Lib Dems don't take Cameron hostage so that the new government can finally fix the country, like Thatcher did 30 years ago.
 

SmokyDave

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Xavien said:
You're going to get shit for that ducky, just saying :lol
I can't see many arguing with the angry Goose.

 

Chinner

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Xavien said:
You're going to get shit for that ducky, just saying :lol
Truth hurts. To actually think New Labour are 'progressives' is a utter laugh. The whole point of the New Labour experiment is to make it more right wing and business orientated. Personally, I'd prefer if they just stopped and brought back the Old Labour or the New Old Labour or whatever.
 

Xavien

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SmokyDave said:
I can't see many arguing with the angry Goose.


Wow, every single party is on its way to the Authoritarian Right (except the tories which never moved from there), seems strange considering everyone says that the Lib Dems are "left of centre".

Chinner said:
Truth hurts. To actually think New Labour are 'progressives' is a utter laugh. The whole point of the New Labour experiment is to make it more right wing and business orientated. Personally, I'd prefer if they just stopped and brought back the Old Labour or the New Old Labour or whatever.

I agree with you, but Thatcher's legacy seems to have an inescapable grip on all parties.
 

Jex

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Souldriver said:
I hope the Lib Dems don't take Cameron hostage so that the new government can finally fix the country, like Thatcher did 30 years ago.

Yeah, because that didn't cause massive problems later down the line...
 

Dead Man

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Souldriver said:
I hope the Lib Dems don't take Cameron hostage so that the new government can finally fix the country, like Thatcher did 30 years ago.
That must have been some fix if it needs doing again.
 
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Chinner said:
Truth hurts. To actually think New Labour are 'progressives' is a utter laugh. The whole point of the New Labour experiment is to make it more right wing and business orientated. Personally, I'd prefer if they just stopped and brought back the Old Labour or the New Old Labour or whatever.



Labour Classic?
 

killer_clank

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Chinner said:
Truth hurts. To actually think New Labour are 'progressives' is a utter laugh. The whole point of the New Labour experiment is to make it more right wing and business orientated. Personally, I'd prefer if they just stopped and brought back the Old Labour or the New Old Labour or whatever.

Well, Milliband is a Blairite, and the most likely leader. I'd say the chances of old labour coming back is low.
 

Souldriver

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Jexhius said:
Yeah, because that didn't cause massive problems later down the line...
Peru said:
It all went downhill when Thatcher was gone. Labour singlehandedly dragged us into a financial crisi....I can't do it. I'm just trolling guys. But I'd rather not ruin this newborn thread already. Either way, I'm sure somewhere along the line, someone will say what I just said but be dead serious about it.
 

Salazar

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SmokyDave said:
Fix in the sense one might restore an iconic avatar, maybe?

I cannot have a photograph of Alan Clark riding a baby blue sportscar while a Conservative government is (in however qualified a fashion) in power.

I cherish the man's memory, but his party has its vile patches.
 

defel

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Juicy Bob said:
Wow. Seriously. I'm sure many European nations would appreciate a British politician actually bothering to learn some languages other than English for a change.

Like Tony Blair? He had pretty decent French.
 

phisheep

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For a slightly alternative view:

Chinner said:
Is the result we wanted? No, but it’s making the best out a bad situation.

Well, it is pretty well perfectly the result that I wanted - even though at the polling booth it didn't seem to be an option that was available to me.

So what’s happening Labour?
They’re becoming the opposing party in the first time in 13 years. From what it seems, They decided to drop coalition talks so that they could scrutinise the government better and have a better chance of getting in on the next election.

From what it seems to me (and it rather depends who you read) they dropped coalition talks because they had thought the LibDems would folow Labour policy like sheep, were completely taken aback to find they wouldn't and realised too late they had no practical chance of making something that worked anyway.

What does this mean for the Lib Dems?
They are in power for the first time in 70 years. They have positions at the cabinet and will get to implement their own influence power. Overall, it may be a lose/lose situation as the Lib Dems may lose votes in Scotland.

... and perhaps gain squilions of votes elsewhere? Doesn't sound all that clear a lose/lose.
 

SmokyDave

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Salazar said:
I cannot have a photograph of Alan Clark riding a baby blue sportscar while a Conservative government is (in however qualified a fashion) in power.

I cherish the man's memory, but his party has its vile patches.
I'm sad, but I guess I understand. It just suited your posting style so well. At least your name still reminds me to run off and image search 'Luciana Salazar' at least once a day.
 

Jex

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phisheep said:
From what it seems to me (and it rather depends who you read) they dropped coalition talks because they had thought the LibDems would folow Labour policy like sheep, were completely taken aback to find they wouldn't and realised too late they had no practical chance of making something that worked anyway.

Very hard to say. Some say that Labour thought the talks were going fine, and that they made concessions. If that's true, then the Liberal Democrats weren't taking those negotiations seriously and they simply used them as a device to gain a better deal with the Conservatives. Then the Liberal Democrats just plastered over the situation by saying "Labour were too inflexible".
 

NekoFever

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close to the edge said:
Yup, I read in the newspaper that he speaks 5 languages fluently (including German). Clegg seems like the kind of politician I would vote for if I lived in the UK.
But there's nothing British about Nick Clegg.
 

PJV3

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SmokyDave said:
I can't see many arguing with the angry Goose.


British politics needs a bloody great shake up.
Labour became Tory'lite' and now the Tories are TorynewLabour'lite.I don't think it's healthy for democracy.
 

dsister44

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damm white duck stole my joke......




I demand a tag in compensation :p (joke, junior memebrs cant get tags right?)







anyway, screw the haters, i reckon this government is going to do some good. anybody thinking Liberals betrayed a rainbow coalition are delirious
 

PJV3

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dsister44 said:
damm white duck stole my joke......




I demand a tag in compensation :p (joke, junior memebrs cant get tags right?)







anyway, screw the haters, i reckon this government is going to do some good. anybody thinking Liberals betrayed a rainbow coalition are delirious

Clegg said it himself in the rose garden in Downing St. He and Cameron really wanted to
go for it.Approaching Labour was just ticking off a box and getting more out of the tories.
And fair enough.
 

Empty

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Liberal Conservatives is better because the idea of liberals and conservatives working together should blow the minds of americans.
 

phisheep

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Jexhius said:
Very hard to say. Some say that Labour thought the talks were going fine, and that they made concessions. If that's true, then the Liberal Democrats weren't taking those negotiations seriously and they simply used them as a device to gain a better deal with the Conservatives. Then the Liberal Democrats just plastered over the situation by saying "Labour were too inflexible".

Looking again at the sequence of events, I'd guess that both Labour and LibDems knew they were doing only pretend negotiating with each other on a deal that didn't stack up arithmetically and so wasn't going to work.

Labour's agenda being to spike the Tories (where the only good outcome was for all Labour policies to be accepted), and LibDem's being to carry their own party (where the only bad outcome is doing a roll-over to Labour).

Given that, it is scarcely surprising that both sides seemed to give off the wrong body language and vibes.

However, since both sides had to say publicly that they assumed the others were negotiating for real, it had to be spun some other way. Hence the different stories.
 

Jex

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phisheep said:
Looking again at the sequence of events, I'd guess that both Labour and LibDems knew they were doing only pretend negotiating with each other on a deal that didn't stack up arithmetically and so wasn't going to work.

That sounds like a very logical inference to draw.
 

jas0nuk

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New Labour was one of the most right-wing authoritarian governments this country has ever had. I laugh and cringe every time someone like Peter Hain calls them "progressives".

As a political experiment it needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
 

Jex

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jas0nuk said:
New Labour was one of the most right-wing authoritarian governments this country has ever had.

I'm just glad you didn't resort to hyperbole to express you opinion.
 

Acheteedo

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Empty said:
Liberal Conservatives is better because the idea of liberals and conservatives working together should blow the minds of americans.

Yeah I'm hoping lib-con works out for that very reason. The bi-partisan battle in the US is disgusting, it would be good if the UK set a positive example of getting along.
 

gcubed

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What has happened to electoral reform?
The Tories are whipping Alternative Vote (AV) through parliament with a referendum. However, they (and the right wing press) are allowed to campaign against it. Still, AV isn’t proportional and won’t properly represent the views of the country. but it is slightly better with FPTP, will get rid of tactical voting and will prepare voters for AV+ or STV

as an outsider, are there any links or anyone willing to throw up an explanation on whats going on with this? How is it currently and what is AV+ and STV... all i heard on the news here was that the Tories are pushing through reform that could cost them seats in the next election