Which by the way is utter bullshit as well. Nintendo let us do that and Nintendo is as behind on modern features as can be.
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Which by the way is utter bullshit as well. Nintendo let us do that and Nintendo is as behind on modern features as can be.
Zoe
Member
He meant Sony-branded PS4 headsets.
Sony redeemed.
pokeystaples
Banned
Thanks, I've never used that feature.
It's probably because the Headset Profile (HSP) is disabled. I'm gonna also assume the reason the PS3's BD remote controls doesn't work is because the Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP) is disabled. Both of these can be activated with a firmware update. Keep pressing Shu on this.
SolidusDave
Member
Feeling like commenting on some of the FAQ stuff...
Otherwise this is what I expected and if we effectively don't "see" the installs I don't have a problem with it as it doesn't matter then if you keep the install data or not to free up space.
I also hope that this means that the disc drive will not make a sound once it's installed.
Also... install the digital version? I hope this doesn't suggest that they will keep the stupid system of the PS3
I was looking forward to this on PS4 with enhanced multitasking. Ideally they should implement something like Snap on XB1 so that I can watch a series and e.g. grind through a game (or at least via Remote Play).
So it's like on PS3, hopefully it will also be just as rare.
that has to be due to some consumer rights law right? But nice that you can charge them while it's "off".
Starting a game will only be useful if you can actually name the game or if you can at least start the disc from any point in the OS.
Btw with being able to cut out the player, I wonder if this can actually do stuff like Kinect if they can apply at least a basic skeleton.
Kinda surprised they didn't restrict the sharing features more for non-PS+ users.
No comment on what the LED of the PS4 can do????
I would like to know if you can watch BD movies and still have access to the OS. This always bugged me on PS3. Ideally, you should be able to switch between the game and a movie instantly...
Still pissed about no Resume/Suspend feature at launch!
My demand list from the FW1.50 thread doesn't look good so far.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87451018&postcount=815
- suspend mode
- uploading to youtube
- playing my own mp3s with the background music player
- save videos and screenshots directly to the HDD
- file transfer from&to external HDDs
-> only save videos on HDD is in, but kinda useless before you can transfer files
Btw they still didn't state if you can manually record videos longer than 15 minutes or what?
When they took it apart it was said that up to 12.5 mm would fit...
While it would be cool to have it done like on the 360/XB1, I hope they don't mean here that they remove also the functionality that the PS3 supports (copy/play videos from external HDD etc.).
This is btw weird. I would have thought that even more games support 3D than on PS3, they kinda dropped the whole 3D gaming topic for some reason.
"Certain titles"...? Oh boy.
Otherwise this is what I expected and if we effectively don't "see" the installs I don't have a problem with it as it doesn't matter then if you keep the install data or not to free up space.
I also hope that this means that the disc drive will not make a sound once it's installed.
Stupid as XB1 allows it. Can't be so hard.
Also... install the digital version? I hope this doesn't suggest that they will keep the stupid system of the PS3
Even though it's only supported with the safe mode (= PS3 recovery mode?) before 1.50, it's good that we can do this. I just hope they will offer the firmware download way in advance to avoid server problems.
= Don't make sub accounts, ever.
This was to be expected, but considering there won't be custom wallpapers either, it sucks to not have many options for customizing.
Finally something the PS4 will have MORE options for than the PS3... But yeah that's pretty good.
Ok WTF, what kind of all around media device is that supposed to be then?
I was looking forward to this on PS4 with enhanced multitasking. Ideally they should implement something like Snap on XB1 so that I can watch a series and e.g. grind through a game (or at least via Remote Play).
Still facepalming that we won't even get the PS1 emu.
So it's like on PS3, hopefully it will also be just as rare.
kinda weird that they make the standby patch downloading exclusive to PS+. Not that much of a loss with the newer background downloading
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that has to be due to some consumer rights law right? But nice that you can charge them while it's "off".
Mh, I wonder about the audio quality, how much can BT handle?
Cool that it works across both platforms.
I use a surround headset via optical output... I guess it will be a bit difficult to hear those audio diaries
Yeah this is good for screenshots. Neat that they include different languages already at launch, in case my accent prevents English commands
Starting a game will only be useful if you can actually name the game or if you can at least start the disc from any point in the OS.
Btw with being able to cut out the player, I wonder if this can actually do stuff like Kinect if they can apply at least a basic skeleton.
And apparently you can still access the different region stores like on PS3, so that's good for people with several accounts like me
Basically everything that's behind the paywall on XB1 ;P
Kinda surprised they didn't restrict the sharing features more for non-PS+ users.
WTF, seriously. Finally we get a background music player that works in all games and they make it exclusive to a Music Unlimited sub. No, just no. I guess the PS4 won't support any of the other audio formats that work on PS3 either. Don't reduce media functionality, people like me expected to have the PS3 media features at the MINIMUM.
Is that the case for screenshots as well? They better fix this fast... Do FB/Twitter even support full quality PNGs (if that's hopefully what will be saved, like on PS3).
ugghhhhh.....
No comment on what the LED of the PS4 can do????
I would like to know if you can watch BD movies and still have access to the OS. This always bugged me on PS3. Ideally, you should be able to switch between the game and a movie instantly...
Still pissed about no Resume/Suspend feature at launch!
My demand list from the FW1.50 thread doesn't look good so far.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87451018&postcount=815
- suspend mode
- uploading to youtube
- playing my own mp3s with the background music player
- save videos and screenshots directly to the HDD
- file transfer from&to external HDDs
-> only save videos on HDD is in, but kinda useless before you can transfer files
Btw they still didn't state if you can manually record videos longer than 15 minutes or what?
NotSaladin
Neo Member
This is EXACTLY how I read it as well. Thank god I'm not the only one. For me, that is BY FAR the most important to remain included. Sure it is not as convient for those who have a DLNA set up but at least it will do for the mean time!
Me either, but I believe the source so who knows why they said what they did.
AuthenticM
Member
Seriously, why did they take out DLNA ? It's 20fucking13.
Who puts MP3's on their console? What is this, 2006? DLNA support is what matters and I'd say its a pretty safe bet that it's just not available on launch day for whatever reason. That being said I don't use my consoles for that anymore either. Its either the apps directly on my TV, ROKU, or Chromecast.
Zoe
Member
You can also technically fit a 12.5mm drive into the PS3. 9.5mm is all that Sony will officially support.
Good point. No one is complaining about Gaikai streaming, and that was a pretty big selling point to a lot of people. All about wording and expectations.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I'm feeling a little less mad after seeing Kagari's post about DLNA.
I really want to be able to move my PS3 up to the bedroom and let the PS4 in my gameroom take over it's streaming capabilities. That would also allow me to give my dad my dedicated bluray player from my bedroom.
Thanks for giving us some hope.
I really want to be able to move my PS3 up to the bedroom and let the PS4 in my gameroom take over it's streaming capabilities. That would also allow me to give my dad my dedicated bluray player from my bedroom.
Thanks for giving us some hope.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Hardly. Sony could just make it clear that these functions will not be available at launch, as they do in that very same FAQ when they cite that previously announced features will eventually be patched onto the system. They chose not to say this. It's difficult to dismiss this as a communication error once you consider how very specific and detailed they are in some of their responses to that FAQ.
I got BTS and TLOU soundtracks with special editions. They came in MP3. Idk, Sony does!
Me. I like to use background music for just about any title that supports it. Reading that the whole PS4 was going to be eschewing that outside of music unlimited double subscription BS was a big DAFAQ?!
Well that didn't last long.
Holy shit, this is horribly disgraceful... wtf is sony doing here?!
cpp_is_king
Member
Indeed, it doesn't even say that you won't be able to manually copy game saves or data to external hard drives. It only means that for the purposes of installing disc based games, or the "cache" feature that it describes, or downloading anything from PSN store, there is no way to have the system automatically use an external drive.
Of course, we don't know for sure either way, I'm just saying it's too early to start firing shots, because as written, the statement does not preclude most of the things people seem to be upset about.
In safe mode only? That is the only snippet i read about the USB update and reading of data in that manner.
(don't pounce on me, since I agree it would make zero sense for the ability to read data to be blocked entirely)
To me, it just seems weird to try and artificially handicap a basic functionality thing like this. I wasn't planning on buying either console at launch and waiting it out for a while (title releases, bugs, other unforseen things....), but these (arguably minor) issues are the sort of "unforseen things" I was worried about when looking back upon how Sony made changes to the PS3 over time and how support changed for the 360 changed over time and the almost audible thudd noise made when the WiiU and PSvita dropped.
Actually the more weird aspect of Sony not including DNLA, to me, is highlighted below.
"The Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) is a non-profit collaborative trade organization established by Sony in June 2003, that is responsible for defining interoperability guidelines to enable sharing of digital media between multimedia devices.[3] These guidelines are built upon existing public standards, but the guidelines themselves are private (available for a fee). These guidelines specify a set of restricted ways of using the standards to achieve interoperability and include almost all free audio formats and the most common (free or otherwise) video formats, meaning that DLNA servers generally have to support transcoding in order to produce a useful service.[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance
Interesting. Sounds simple, but must be more in-depth than it sounds. Supporting a bluetooth headset just seems like it should be a basic, out-of-the-box standard. Sure hope it comes in an update (soon).
I will be keeping both of my PS3 just for that reason
Suzushiiro
Banned
They didn't "take it out." They just didn't add it to the PS4 yet. They can't just copy/paste the code for these features from the PS3 OS, they have to re-build it.
Zoe
Member
But Sony has never offered that functionality before, so I don't see how they're handicapping anything.
Noisepurge
Member
Oh I believe you guys, I know you wouldn't say it if you didn't think it was true. I just am trying to comprehend anything about these decisions.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
However, BT keyboards are supported, but not headsets. So keyboard and controllers are okay for BT, but not old headsets? What?
I would understand if the BT was turned off for now or something, but the controllers need to use them and keyboards can use it as well.
Then someone needs to teach Sony how to write a FAQ. Answering questions with emphatic "no" answers leaves nothing on the table for interpretation of future features.
If the FAQ is only meant for day of launch, it needs to be clear that everything on the FAQ page is only day 1 information.
If this is a standard FAQ for the entire console, trying to tell potential buyers what to expect from their PS4 purchase, features that are definitely coming later should have been annotated on those answers in some way.
MP3 playback?
Not at launch, but a patch will be released in 2014 to allow personal music file playback.
DLNA?
Not at launch, but a patch will be released in 2014 to add DLNA functionality.
But answering with just "No"?
So disappointed
In terms of overal ease of use and functionality, it would be handicapped. In terms of what was provided previously, it is a non-issue. Would you expect your "smart" TV/DVD whatever to not have basic network interface or external data connections? Or if it did, to not launch with the ability to read data from it?
It isn't much different of an expectation to have a computer like device to contain those features, unless of course your prefered brand has a fruit on it.
That doesn't make any sense. Bluetooth is an open standard, So if Sony-branded BT headsets work, 3rd-party bluetooth headsets will work.
DistortionOfReality
Member
Same here, but when you turn on the PS3, just keep holding the power button until it beeps again. Resets the video settings, no more composite cable hunting!
For all the advancements Sony has made since realizing there are people outside of Japan who play games, they still seem to have problems grasping some of the more basic ideas of PR.
Then again, look how people flaked out about the Suspend mode being delayed. Maybe just saying it's not there and dropping it in later with no real lead up is the better way to go.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Holy shit Sony! Why couldn't you keep up with the goods? What a let down in the up and coming weeks of the launch! Dropped the ball big time. Still staying with my PS4 pre-order, but what a let down that is. So much potential, yet...
I think you read that wrong. The HDD has to be larger than 160GB, not less.
They don't want to promise it. If you notice, the features they did promise are ones they've already promised.
I believe full stop this console launch will be a massive clusterfuck so just get ready for it.
No, the minimum is 160GB.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Why leave HSP disabled then? So they can sell more headsets?
maabus1999
Member
Probably because that it is still on a white board and not really being coded. It may come, but may be months to a year.
Talk about not teasing; since you qualified the changes as occuring in the 'near future', could you expand on a timeframe?
toddhunter
Member
Spotify would be nice, but I can live without mp3s. Got that covered.
No DLNA streaming is an early deal breaker. My thinking was "the game linup is weak, but at least I have another good media player!"
...apparently not. Will wait for them to fix either.
No DLNA streaming is an early deal breaker. My thinking was "the game linup is weak, but at least I have another good media player!"
...apparently not. Will wait for them to fix either.
Zoe
Member
The PS4 does have external data connections. It can read data from it.
A function should only be considered handicapped if it can't carry out a basic task. When did playing games off of an external hard drive suddenly become a basic task?