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Unredacted reaction to PS5's reveal, "We have a better product than Sony does" - Phil Spencer 30% GPU advantage
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Zuzu
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He got the 30% figure by speculating (or maybe his engineers speculated for him) that due to the variable frequencies of the PS5's boost mode the PS5 wouldn't be able to use the entirety of its 10 teraflops and so its effective performance would be 9 teraflops. It's in the first paragraph of the second image in the OP. Obviously it turns out he was wrong...again.
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Killjoy-NL
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He is probably the very source of the delusion.
Doctor Hades
Member
Ever since the PS4 massively outsold the Xbox One, Microsoft seem to have had this weird idea that having the most powerful console means higher sales and so forgot that it was actually having a good quality first-party library of games that made the PS4 a huge success, not its performance advantage over Xbox One. The performance advantage (and lower price) were just the icing on the cake.
Their response was the Xbox One X: a console I owned and one, that if I recall correctly, launched without a single first party game to showcase its power! PS4 Pro was much less powerful but it was the system I played on the most because it had, yes, games! And that 2 TFLOPS performance advantage that the Xbox Series X has over PS5 has basically given us games that are identical on both platforms because most games on the system are from third-parties, developed with both systems in mind and sometimes led on the most successful one (i.e. not the Xbox Series X|S!). Sometimes, the Xbox Series X version has a small advantage, sometimes it's the PS5, but neither is consistently better or worse than the other.
What Microsoft need is not the most powerful hardware but three or four high quality first-party games each year. Once they've established that they can deliver then people will want to own an Xbox. Sony didn't get where they are today by just focusing on having the most powerful hardware. They got their reputation from their first-party games.
Their response was the Xbox One X: a console I owned and one, that if I recall correctly, launched without a single first party game to showcase its power! PS4 Pro was much less powerful but it was the system I played on the most because it had, yes, games! And that 2 TFLOPS performance advantage that the Xbox Series X has over PS5 has basically given us games that are identical on both platforms because most games on the system are from third-parties, developed with both systems in mind and sometimes led on the most successful one (i.e. not the Xbox Series X|S!). Sometimes, the Xbox Series X version has a small advantage, sometimes it's the PS5, but neither is consistently better or worse than the other.
What Microsoft need is not the most powerful hardware but three or four high quality first-party games each year. Once they've established that they can deliver then people will want to own an Xbox. Sony didn't get where they are today by just focusing on having the most powerful hardware. They got their reputation from their first-party games.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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The only thing Phil has on Jim is PR skills. And it works. The amount of people that fall for the “good guy phil” persona is incredible to see even in here.
Remember that pathetic interview when Red Fall released?
alucard0712_rus
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gothmog
Gold Member
It's a feature, not a bug.Admin at FTC:
Kerotan
Member
Imagine how stupidl all these fanboys look now who tried argueing Sony isn't the competition and MS somehow bypassed them to bigger and better things. Or how Nintendo is a direct rival. Jesus Christ all MS care about is that playstation traditional home console market when it comes to it.
Killjoy-NL
Member
This was pretty obvious to anyone with a functional brain.
Yet the fanboys and 'real gamers' aka platform-agnostics were in denial.
I'd like to see them respond to all this. Seems kindnof quiet in the Xbox camp.
crunchyBiscuits
Member
I mean.. having the ingredients for a winning plan and turning those ingredients into a winning plan are two separate things
Let's hope he got it right so that we have strong competition in the industry and great games from ALL sides
Let's hope he got it right so that we have strong competition in the industry and great games from ALL sides
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Whats sad here is no company will ever trust using email to communicate ever again.
That and the number of posters (and i use that term lightly, since many are reeally just trolling) in this thread trolling who've never owned an xbox but are industry experts who are smarter than everyone is staggering.
As to what Phil said, it's not that shocking that he thought they had the better hardware, it didn't seem at that point that the ps5 would keep up.
Of course anyone with any sort of reasonable response will just get trolled with more "witty" anti xbox gifs.
That and the number of posters (and i use that term lightly, since many are reeally just trolling) in this thread trolling who've never owned an xbox but are industry experts who are smarter than everyone is staggering.
As to what Phil said, it's not that shocking that he thought they had the better hardware, it didn't seem at that point that the ps5 would keep up.
Of course anyone with any sort of reasonable response will just get trolled with more "witty" anti xbox gifs.
xiskza
Member
Hope Phil didn't notice the Spain sales thread then.
What was it? 10:1?
He'd cry if he saw the portuguese ratio lol
Synless
Member
Dude is making unreal money and is basically set for life. His worst enemy is a bunch of forum warriors.
I say this with admiration that he is today where I wish I was in my career and 99.9% of people will never achieve.
Bottom line is if he was fucking up bad enough, they would ask for his resignation; which they haven’t.
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Cyberpunkd
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HeWhoWalks
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We need a real competitor, not someone who blows smoke and would rather acquire than make it happen. It's why SEGA leaving hardware was so hard for a lot of folks. They actually did compete with their own shit!
Cyberpunkd
Member
Not necessarily - it can also be the case of them not having a good alternative atm.
Portugeezer
Member
Was it 12 hours soaking in responses from Xbox Addict forums? My guy needs some self awareness.
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Jinzo Prime
Member
I'm sorry but when the Board of Directors tells you not to be cocky, then you laugh at a console that outsells yours 10:1, you need to be shown the door, immediately!
Klayzer
Member
Dude is acting like he's playing with monopoly money. Pun intended.
Lagspike_exe
Member
The craziest thing is that Phil somehow keeps persuading the board of directors to fund his insane M&As. Bethesda was too much, but the fact they green lighted Acti is crazy.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
The guys at Sony are ordering food trucks with popcorn for lunch today.
Gudji
Member
And he used to be a programmer which suggests he has some sort of degree in computer science. Imagine that.
Lysandros
Member
Even more than that apparently, he also added 12% to the 18% delusion.
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Matsuchezz
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The age of Spencer is over, the time of Booty has come!
mejin
Member
But in this case, Mark Cerny did explain everything in the beginning and "people" laughed at him.
The same people who are smarter than everyone.
"It eats monsters for breakfast" and several other PR came from MS and Spencer.
Spencer and his influencers rejoiced with xbox community.
It's a cycle and Spencer is a suit disguised as a gamer and good guy.
DeepEnigma
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's silly. Yes they will. Courts subpoena email and other types of communications all the time in these cases. If a company suddenly decides to exclusively use Slack to communicate (or Teams in the case of Microsoft), the court will subpoena their slack information - although that is trickier.
There are email retention laws. For a company like Microsoft, probably close to 10 years.
Klayzer
Member
Booty done it.The age of Spencer is over, the time of Booty has come!
Guerilla Munch
Member
lmao every first party PLAY STATION FOUR exclusive is more impressive than anything on series X
i hate my series X so much it's unreal
i hate my series X so much it's unreal
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Why you in last then Phil?
Audiophile
Member
I think Sony made a much smarter decision going in. A much smaller chip with a faster gpu frontend + the [wildly misunderstood] continuous boost clock scheme. Paired with stronger lower level dev tools, PS5 pretty much matches the XSX give or take a few % in certain areas depending on the application.
MS chased teraflops and I think it's put them in a worse situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to do a proper mid gen refresh was at least somewhat informed by the difficulty of scaling up their chip.
With the PS5 hardware I get the feeling that pretty much every penny I spend on the console is paying for actual, effective, performance. They did everything they could to get that box as efficient as possible for the cost. With the XSX hardware I get the feeling that a significant chunk of the cost is just going to MS being able to say "we have 2 more TF"; despite the fact that relative to the PS5, those 2TF are effectively useless. And that's before we get to the XSS...
I think I posted this one before, but I think this would have been the smarter play (clicky for biggy):
MS chased teraflops and I think it's put them in a worse situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to do a proper mid gen refresh was at least somewhat informed by the difficulty of scaling up their chip.
With the PS5 hardware I get the feeling that pretty much every penny I spend on the console is paying for actual, effective, performance. They did everything they could to get that box as efficient as possible for the cost. With the XSX hardware I get the feeling that a significant chunk of the cost is just going to MS being able to say "we have 2 more TF"; despite the fact that relative to the PS5, those 2TF are effectively useless. And that's before we get to the XSS...
I think I posted this one before, but I think this would have been the smarter play (clicky for biggy):
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Flutta
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Stare-Bear
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Satya doesn’t give a flying fuck
anothertech
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DAYUM
FlyyGOD
Member
There is an entire YouTube market making tons of money from Playstation delusion. I don't think Microsoft delusion is quite as lucrative.
Riky
$MSFT
Numbers don't lie, we saw the 4k v 1800p launch with the likes of Hitman 3 and now we're getting RT in gameplay with Forza which the same people couldn't believe would happen. It just took time but he was right, expect more from the big first party games after Forza.
sendit
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The much smarter play would have been to not release a gimped console like the Series S.I think Sony made a much smarter decision going in. A much smaller chip with a faster gpu frontend + the [wildly misunderstood] continuous boost clock scheme. Paired with stronger lower level dev tools, PS5 pretty much matches the XSX give or take a few % in certain areas depending on the application.
MS chased teraflops and I think it's put them in a worse situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision not to do a proper mid gen refresh was at least somewhat informed by the difficulty of scaling up their chip.
With the PS5 hardware I get the feeling that pretty much every penny I spend on the console is paying for actual, effective, performance. They did everything they could to get that box as efficient as possible for the cost. With the XSX hardware I get the feeling that a significant chunk of the cost is just going to MS being able to say "we have 2 more TF"; despite the fact that relative to the PS5, those 2TF are effectively useless. And that's before we get to the XSS...
I think I posted this one before, but I think this would have been the smarter play (clicky for biggy):
