US Shutdown Delayed Boeing's Software Fix

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How so? He is using the powers afforded to him by Congress. If congress wants to revoke those powers they are more than welcome to repeal the bills that allow him to do what he is doing.
Abusing, not using.

If its a real national emergency he wouldn't have golfed for 3 days the next day.

If Trump can use these work arounds then Congress power of the purse is pointless, making the white house even more powerful and congress less so - which goes against co-equal branches of gov.
 
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Abusing, not using.

If its a real national emergency he wouldn't have golfed for 3 days the next day.

If Trump can use these work arounds then Congress power of the purse is pointless, making the white house even more powerful and congress less so - which goes against co-equal branches of gov.
He is using very specific powers afforded to him by congress for border security. If this isn't a national emergency then nothing that has been declared a national emergency is one. He gave congress plenty of time to fix this in a way that would have kept alarmists like you at bay but now you are using that as a way to say it isn't a national emergency because time was given. That is cute.
 
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Fun fact: Representativ democracy (e.g. federal constitutional republic) is a form of democracy. Subsets are your friends.

Or, to give you the courtesy you deny others: You are basically saying "A macaw is not a bird, it is a parrot".
God the "it's not a democracy" argument drives me up a wall. What do they teach kids in school in 'murica that makes people fuckin' think that? 60% of arguments about the US system starts with people saying it's not a democracy, therefore fuck the system or fuck you it's not a democracy go complain elsewhere. wtf?
 
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they show us the division of powers, they tell us about the Electoral College, they talk about Vote Delegates. Representation is the name of the game from day one. not every single person can vote on every single issue so we have Representatives.

i mean it's obvious it's not a straight Democracy. it's so obvious that even kids figure it out. to say otherwise would be lying.

what do they teach about the US political system wherever Dada5500 is from? and is there a slur i can use to make fun of his country while belittling it's education system?
 
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Boeing was warned in October about problems when there was the Lion Air crash. there were further complaints in November. originally it was estimated the patch would roll out in early January.

the shutdown began in December 22. that gave them several months following the first crash to have it ready before the shutdown started. apparently they dragged their feet on it until the last minute.

the shutdown ended on January 25. the Ethiopia crash occurred March 11. there was over a month after the shutdown ended before the 2nd crash and still no patch.
 
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Boeing was warned in October about problems when there was the Lion Air crash. there were further complaints in November. originally it was estimated the patch would roll out in early January.

the shutdown began in December 22. that gave them several months following the first crash to have it ready before the shutdown started. apparently they dragged their feet on it until the last minute.

the shutdown ended on January 25. the Ethiopia crash occurred March 11. there was over a month after the shutdown ended before the 2nd crash and still no patch.
This thread highlights politigang TDS so well, so so well.

Y'all clowns.
 
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Sometimes I wonder if this is one of those cases were the media can get sued sine it's misleading the public about what caused life-threatening danger.
 
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Boeing’s Political Ties

Boeing’s PAC is a “major player” Mr. Fischer said. The sum of its contributions is three times larger than the sum of any independent individual contributions from its employees.
Last cycle, the company’s PAC gave $250,000 to the Mitch McConnell-aligned Senate Leadership Fund; $250,000 to Karl Rove’s dark-money group, One Nation; and $250,000 to the dark-money group American Action Network.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/opinion/boeing-crash-contractor-trump.html
 
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Absolutely comical that Trump could in any way get the blame for this.

Amazing.
All it says is that it delayed it 5 weeks. Lots of government related things were delayed 5 weeks. It was all over the news. It was called the partial government shutdown. It happened in reality. I remember hearing on NPR daily how it was specifically impacting security in the FAA, for one thing.

Boeing is still ultimately responsible, but the shutdown probably did delay it. I heard interviews on the radio from flight security officials talking about this in January. It wasn't specific to Boeing, but this was a known thing generally so none of this surprises me. The FAA is the entity that would regulate Boeing, and they ran on a skeleton crew for weeks.

This pic is from January. They were literally on the news trying to warn people that whole time saying that it's a bad idea to play around with security agencies like this.

 
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It's patently obvious that Trump was trying to stem the bleeding for Boeing from his own fuck up with the shutdown.


Now, however, with Boeing and U.S. regulators facing criticism for appearing slow to react to the crash of a Boeing 737 Max 8 jet in Ethiopia, Boeing’s intermingled interests with the U.S. government are coming under new scrutiny.
Boeing booked a record $101.1 billion in 2018 revenue, up 13 percent from the year before, and analysts say about a quarter of that was from government contracts. In 2017, Boeing received an estimated $23.3 billion in taxpayer-funded contract awards, not including classified military funding. And its joint ventures with Lockheed Martin and Bell Helicopter Textron received $2.2 billion and $2.5 billion, respectively, in federal contract funding in 2017.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cc1c123256be