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Valve approves first full-on pornographic game for sale on Steam

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now if we could stop console store owners from being gatekeeping prudes it would be even better
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I think he is making a good point. You don't kill people in games because you feel motivated to kill a human. You will watch porn and probably play porn games because you are motivated by horniness.

Okay, and while I personally do not care for those types of games (the sex ones), how is that any more self harming than witnessing the violence (and some extremely graphic in today's games)? They both feed the same dopamine releases in the brain. One is an adrenaline rush of killing another player or NPC, the other is an adrenaline rush of climax.
 

lukilladog

Member
I don't think you can make this claim. Divorce rates are hard to measure in general.



Right.

Again, to be completely fair -- these games do not seem to be non-stop hardcore cartoon sex. But let's call a spade a spade.

Well, that´s usually the data.

So are you saying that porn and masturbation helps marriages? I really don't think so. If you are there intimately only for your spouse it should make sex all the more special.

Education helps marriages, beliefs like yours are in the way of proper education, divorce goes up. Didn´t someone said something like "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye"?
 
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Nymphae

Banned
Okay, and while I personally do not care for those types of games (the sex ones), how is that any more self harming than witnessing the violence (and some extremely graphic in today's games)? They both feed the same dopamine releases in the brain. One is an adrenaline rush of killing another player or NPC, the other is an adrenaline rush of climax.

I would not be super concerned if I had a child that played nothing but CoD, in that I'm not overly concerned that its going to make them more violent. If they played nothing but hentai porn games, I might question what is going on in their head a bit more. They don't feel the same to me, the motivation for the porn games is generally "I'm horny" (unless as I mentioned above, people are seriously playing these things for the art appreciation and the stories, which I am skeptical of), whereas the motivation to play violent games, I suspect, is less "I want to watch a human die by my own hand" than it is "I want to have fun with these gameplay systems and my friends."
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I would not be super concerned if I had a child that played nothing but CoD, in that I'm not overly concerned that its going to make them more violent. If they played nothing but hentai porn games, I might question what is going on in their head a bit more. They don't feel the same to me, the motivation for the porn games is generally "I'm horny" (unless as I mentioned above, people are seriously playing these things for the art appreciation and the stories, which I am skeptical of), whereas the motivation to play violent games, I suspect, is less "I want to watch a human die by my own hand" than it is "I want to have fun with these gameplay systems."

This makes me chuckle, because the horniness is more natural biologically. The FPS/violent games aspect, there are a wealth of games you can play that offer "for the fun of it" that does not require maiming and/or killing other humans or animals. But if you crave the latter, violence is overlooked, but hormones going crazy and wanting to get off without actually coming home to you and being a 14 year old daddy/mommy is problematic?

It all comes down to what society deems more acceptable or not through generations of conditioning.

I will agree however with the studies that show porn aides in certain behavioral problems with socializing, relationships, etc., but it is not a cause. The person would have these problems regardless, it just adds to it.
 
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Thurible

Member
Yes it can definitely help with a marriage, eases up on talking about fetishes or watch it together. Finding out what your SO likes plays a big part in intimicy. And if the sex drives of the partners don't match up, what's wrong with one of them masturbating?

Anyway I'm 100% fine with this decision, it's not for me but there's no harm in having it either for the people that want it.
If you want to know what your spouse likes in the bedroom, why not just talk about it? You don't have to stimulate yourself on other people. Believe it or not, women tend to like guys who they can rely on in a relationship.

Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?
 

Thurible

Member
Well, that´s usually the data.



Education helps marriages, beliefs like yours are in the way of proper education, divorce goes up. Didn´t someone said something like "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye"?
How is my beliefs hurting marriages?
 

PrCat88

Member
They say 2D women are better. I'll be the judge of that.

(Probably should just opt for Shadow of the Tomb Raider)
 

Fujan

Member
If you want to know what your spouse likes in the bedroom, why not just talk about it? You don't have to stimulate yourself on other people. Believe it or not, women tend to like guys who they can rely on in a relationship.

Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?

Some people are afraid to talk about it, watching can be easier, not everyone is the same, watching porn together can be exciting and a new experience. I look at other women, I want my girl to look at other men too, and we can rely on each other that at the end of the day no matter what we see we still are together and are intimate with just ourselves or each other.

She is religious, I am not, we both masturbate, it's only natural and human, going against that is the wrong thing to do. Calling it sinful and selfish is just absurd. It's a pleasure thing, eating food when not hungry is also for pleasure, is that sinful and selfish too?
 

Mahadev

Member
Good for them, I might not see the point of adult games but I really like that Valve is finally fine with it. If you can shoot people in games I don't see why it's taboo to have sex with them, enough with this goddamn puritanism. I speaking of it, I wonder how the kotaku and polygon neopuritans will react.
 

Nymphae

Banned
This makes me laugh, because the horniness is more natural biologically. The FPS aspect, there are a wealth of games you can play that offer "for the fun of it" that does not require maiming and/or killing other humans or animals. But if you crave the latter, violence is overlooked, but hormones going crazy and wanting to get off without actually coming home to you and being a 14 year old daddy/mommy is problematic?

I think they both have similar parallels, it is just what society deems more acceptable or not through generations of conditioning.

I dunno man, I do think that it is funny and odd how we've made violence sexy and fun through our entertainment forms over the years. I personally am not fully desensitized, I watched Midnight Meat Train last year and almost lost my lunch at the end. I do not understand this culture's fascination with gore at all. People who are way into zombies and do zombie walks and shit make me uncomfortable honestly. Lol yeah it's so cool that it looks like you're tripping over your entrails and you just threw up blood all over yourself!

It's just my personal opinion that too many violent videogames is not really going to do all that much to you, except take time away from your life you could have been doing other shit. I feel like watching a lot of porn has the potential to cultivate more antisocial behaviours. I kind of changed my opinion on porn after reading the book Your Brain on Porn (https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/).
 
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DeepEnigma

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I dunno man, I do think that it is funny and odd how we've made violence sexy and fun through our entertainment forms over the years. I personally am not fully desensitized, I watched Midnight Meat Train last year and almost lost my lunch at the end. I do not understand this culture's fascination with gore at all. People who are way into zombies and do zombie walks and shit make me uncomfortable honestly. Lol yeah it's so cool that it looks like you're tripping over your entrails and you just threw up blood all over yourself!

It's just my personal opinion that too many violent videogames is not really going to do all that much to you, except take time away from your life you could have been doing other shit. I feel like watching a lot of porn has the potential to cultivate more antisocial behaviours. I kind of changed my opinion on porn after reading the book Your Brain on Porn (https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/).

I am definitely agreeing with you on the porn aspect, but I also feel too much exposure to violence has an impact as well that we all seem to brush off. Your first example and many others like it for instance.
 

Roni

Gold Member
I know there are parental filters for adult content online but it's not so easy for videogames. Many parents don't have problems with mature games but they probably would with pornographic ones. This is something entirely new because retailers would not be carrying these titles.

You actually didn't address his point at all.

If a kid has access to Steam to buy this game, then the kid has access to a web browser and an internet connection.

Said kid can just type 'porn' on Google and access one of SEVERAL free porn sites online.
 

odhin

Member
Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?

Damn man, chill. What about a guy/girl who doesn't have a SO/spouse? Is it still selfish?
Or sinful, for someone without a SO wanting to purchase and "enjoy" (in whatever way they want) a sexual focused video game?
 

Nymphae

Banned
I am definitely agreeing with you on the porn aspect, but I also feel too much exposure to violence has an impact as well that we all seem to brush off. Your first example and many others like it for instance.

Agreed, perhaps the overexposure to violent media has led to more desensitization. Which I just personally find strange because in my own experience, as I get older I feel I am more impacted by depictions of violence than I was when I was younger.
 

Stitch

Gold Member
It's not really the first, House Party has been in early access for a while. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
that seems to be censored but with an official uncensor patch somewhere "hidden" in the forum. there are many games like that, but now they don't need to censor them anymore.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I would not be super concerned if I had a child that played nothing but CoD, in that I'm not overly concerned that its going to make them more violent. If they played nothing but hentai porn games, I might question what is going on in their head a bit more. They don't feel the same to me, the motivation for the porn games is generally "I'm horny" (unless as I mentioned above, people are seriously playing these things for the art appreciation and the stories, which I am skeptical of), whereas the motivation to play violent games, I suspect, is less "I want to watch a human die by my own hand" than it is "I want to have fun with these gameplay systems and my friends."
If violence was unimportant and it was just about the mechanics, then first person shooters (and third person shooters, too, of course) would not put so much emphasis on displaying brutality in all its details. Teen boys who play violent games are doing so, in a lot of cases, due to the violence. Also, I assume some of you were also young at one point? If I think back at my teenage years, the students my age celebrated games like GTA3 precisely for their violence and ruthlessness. Mechanically driven games with low amount of violence such as Nintendo games (except Pokémon for some reason) and Sonic were particularly laughed at by a majority of my classmates from age ~13-17, so appreciation for gameplay mechanics are not exactly what drove the majority of my classmates at the very least. Why would that change 15 years later?

I have no issues with comic porn games. I have no interest in them either, but I see no moral or educational issues with that. Sell it if you find an audience.
 

petran79

Banned
It's just my personal opinion that too many violent videogames is not really going to do all that much to you, except take time away from your life you could have been doing other shit. I feel like watching a lot of porn has the potential to cultivate more antisocial behaviours. I kind of changed my opinion on porn after reading the book Your Brain on Porn (https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/).

One should give it time, but just as players got used and desensitised to violent video games and headshots, they'll probably get used to porn games as well. I remember when I was shocked by Mortal Kombat 1 fatalities and Doom in the 90s. Now this is considered laughable.

Valve does this exactly because they know that on computers there is a considerable playerbase that consumes porn material and is already familiar with it. Only issue is that through Steam many games will have the chance to become more popular instead of being limited to Patreon or specialised online adult stores.

As for filters etc, it is a joke....

https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/NSFW/
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Agreed, perhaps the overexposure to violent media has led to more desensitization. Which I just personally find strange because in my own experience, as I get older I feel I am more impacted by depictions of violence than I was when I was younger.

I think it goes in a wave. You have the shock and awe from when you first seen that stuff. Wether it was Solider of Fortune on the PC, or a Chechen/Russian beheading video. Then you have a point where you are desensitized and those things do not have the same gut wrenching impact. I noticed as I have aged, I am starting to tap into more of the empathy again. I never liked seeing it happen to animals however. That has always bothered me from a child to an adult, and even more so now than ever.
 

Greedings

Member
OH WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

The kids are all on Pornhub when they're 10 years old. They don't give a shit about a crappy porn game on steam when they can get the real shit for free on their phone.
 

Nymphae

Banned
Also, I assume some of you were also young at one point? If I think back at my teenage years, the students my age celebrated games like GTA3 precisely for their violence and ruthlessness. Mechanically driven games with low amount of violence such as Nintendo games (except Pokémon for some reason) and Sonic were particularly laughed at by a majority of my classmates from age ~13-17, so appreciation for gameplay mechanics are not exactly what drove the majority of my classmates at the very least. Why would that change 15 years later?

I vividly remember when I was in high school, my friend got GTA3 the day it came out, and he had to work that night so he dropped it off at my house before his shift so I could try it. Literally like the first thing I did once you gain control in your little garage area, was to walk onto the street, and I kid you not, beat the fuck out of a random dude walking down the street for like 10 min with a baseball bat. Just laughing that the game let me do this lol.

You're right, we are certainly drawn to the more violent games, and we have fun with them. But I still think that the average person's motivation when wanting to play a game is not "damn I feel like fucking somebody up....I want some blood, I know, CoD", it's "I want to play around" - if that means some violence, cool. I cannot fathom someone seriously playing porn games unless they wanted to rub one out.

I think it goes in a wave. You have the shock and awe from when you first seen that stuff. Wether it was Solider of Fortune on the PC, or a Chechen/Russian beheading video. Then you have a point where you are desensitized and those things do not have the same gut wrenching impact. I noticed as I have aged, I am starting to tap into more of the empathy again. I never liked seeing it happen to animals however. That has always bothered me from a child to an adult, and even more so now than ever.

Never watched that beheading video. I can't believe people voluntarily watched that, t here are truly things you cannot unsee, and that's one of them. Don't need it.

lol I forgot about Soldier of Fortune. Fuck that was crazy, blowing a guy's head into a ton of pieces was so crazy back then.
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I vividly remember when I was in high school, my friend got GTA3 the day it came out, and he had to work that night so he dropped it off at my house before his shift so I could try it. Literally like the first thing I did once you gain control in your little garage area, was to walk onto the street, and I kid you not, beat the fuck out of a random dude walking down the street for like 10 min with a baseball bat. Just laughing that the game let me do this lol.

You're right, we are certainly drawn to the more violent games, and we have fun with them. But I still think that the average person's motivation when wanting to play a game is not "damn I feel like fucking somebody up....I want some blood, I know, CoD", it's "I want to play around" - if that means some violence, cool. I cannot fathom someone seriously playing porn games unless they wanted to rub one out.
Rubbing one out also does not hurt anyone in reality though. It is similarly unlikely that someone is going out to rape a couple of women because he just played some porn game. Similar to the violent games, first and foremost it is a case of "wanting to play around". Just with the idea of sex rather than the idea of violence.

Also: It is pretty individual, personally, there are only very few games I enjoyed that are USK 16 or 18, basically some horror games, character action games and Conker's Bad Fur Day and we are pretty close to the end of the list.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Masturbation is the act of self stimulating and releasing. In my faith it is sinful as it is selfish. Sex is supposed to be a self giving action and when you give to no one and use your sexual gift only for yourself you are being selfish. Don't you want to be intimate with your spouse instead of self stimulating?
I mean, if you want to take your faith seriously, there's a whole heap of stuff that's sinful. Being gay, being a slave who doesn't obey his master, eunuchs, shaving your beard, female priests, etc. I'm not here to attack your faith, but boy, you're really not picking the best time to use it as an argument.

You can be intimate with your wife and your hand. I've been with my partner for five years and she's well aware that I'll jack off if she's not in the mood. I agree that when you start preferring masturbation while in a relationship, you've got a problem, but masturbation really isn't a big deal. I always say, if you're facing a tough decision, jack off first and then think about it. It's worked for me many, many times. :messenger_smirking:
 

Nymphae

Banned
Rubbing one out also does not hurt anyone in reality though.

As I said before, I just don't think porn is healthy and perhaps we can agree to disagree on that point. I don't think masturbation is the most harmful thing out there, sure, but I wouldn't go around encouraging it either. I think it's inherently anti-social and should be avoided if possible. These are my own unpopular thoughts on the matter lol.

It is similarly unlikely that someone is going out to rape a couple of women because he just played some porn game.

I would not make this argument.

Similar to the violent games, first and foremost it is a case of "wanting to play around". Just with the idea of sex rather than the idea of violence.

Say what you will, there is an inherent level of shame attached to masturbation. I might expect kids to discuss amongst themselves how awesome the CoD match was last night, that killer headshot, how adrenaline pumping-ly (?) fun it was, etc. Do you think these sorts of conversations are had about the previous night's jerk sesh to the waifu?
 
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hecatomb

Banned
As I said before, I just don't think porn is healthy and perhaps we can agree to disagree on that point. I don't think masturbation is the most harmful thing out there, sure, but I wouldn't go around encouraging it either. I think it's inherently anti-social and should be avoided if possible. These are my own unpopular thoughts on the matter lol.



I would not make this argument.



Say what you will, there is an inherent level of shame attached to masturbation. I might expect kids to discuss amongst themselves how awesome the CoD match was light night, that killer headshot, how adrenaline pumping-ly (?) fun it was, etc. Do you think these sorts of conversations are had about the previous night's jerk sesh to the waifu?
I mean what people do in their free time is their own business and no one wants to hear about it. The same can be said about people talking about killing and death all the time, and people who like to talk about killing people in video games.
 
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Nymphae

Banned
I mean what people do in their free time is their own business and no one wants to hear about it. The same can be said about people talking about killing and death all the time, and people who like to talk about killing people in video games.

Right, of course sometimes people don't want to talk about some things, be it sex or games. But sometimes they do. I've had lots of next day conversations about multiplayer games with friends. And shit, even talking about sex you've had is a fairly common thing among friends. My point is I've never regaled anyone with tales of a fantastic pud pulling. I can't imagine anyone ever having those kinds of conversations, while sex conversations and game conversations are both very common.
 
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hecatomb

Banned
Right, of course sometimes people don't want to talk about some things, be it sex or games. But sometimes they do. I've had lots of next day conversations about multiplayer games with friends. And shit, even talking about sex you've had is a fairly common thing among friends. My point is I've never regaled anyone with tales of a fantastic pud pulling. I can't imagine anyone ever having those kinds of conversations, while sex and game conversations are very common.
Ive never had conversations with people who want to sit down and talk about their dumb hentai games. Maybe its just you. If you have friends like that maybe you are just hanging out with the wrong type of people
 
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hecatomb

Banned
I didn't say that I did either lol?
Then why are you so worried about it? I think you are just being paranoid. Normal people don't have conversations about their hentai games in IRL. Im pretty sure hentai has been around since like the 80s. And those people know they will just be made fun of. If I had a friend come up to me and try to make me play one of those games, id never talk to them again.
 

Thurible

Member
Damn man, chill. What about a guy/girl who doesn't have a SO/spouse? Is it still selfish?
Or sinful, for someone without a SO wanting to purchase and "enjoy" (in whatever way they want) a sexual focused video game?
If you don't have a spouse then I personally believe that you shouldn't be doing any sort of sexual activity. You know there are alot of people who live in chastity or want to be chaste?

Just because something is pleasurable does not mean it is right.

I mean, if you want to take your faith seriously, there's a whole heap of stuff that's sinful. Being gay, being a slave who doesn't obey his master, eunuchs, shaving your beard, female priests, etc. I'm not here to attack your faith, but boy, you're really not picking the best time to use it as an argument.

You can be intimate with your wife and your hand. I've been with my partner for five years and she's well aware that I'll jack off if she's not in the mood. I agree that when you start preferring masturbation while in a relationship, you've got a problem, but masturbation really isn't a big deal. I always say, if you're facing a tough decision, jack off first and then think about it. It's worked for me many, many times. :messenger_smirking:
Kind of sounds like you are attacking my faith by saying I believe in mosaic law (Which we don't).

I don't think masturbation is healthy in a relationship. If you really want to spread some love why not spread it with your wife? Why would you rather love yourself than your wife?
Some people are afraid to talk about it, watching can be easier, not everyone is the same, watching porn together can be exciting and a new experience. I look at other women, I want my girl to look at other men too, and we can rely on each other that at the end of the day no matter what we see we still are together and are intimate with just ourselves or each other.

She is religious, I am not, we both masturbate, it's only natural and human, going against that is the wrong thing to do. Calling it sinful and selfish is just absurd. It's a pleasure thing, eating food when not hungry is also for pleasure, is that sinful and selfish too?
Sex is not about pleasure. I believe it serves two important purposes (reproduction and unity). Pleasure can certainly be a product of it and the pleasure is good, but it should be with a spouse. I eat to live, I don't have to have sex to live.

Unpopular opinion, probably going to be attacked. So I may be ditching this thread soon, peace.
 

Fujan

Member
Sex is not about pleasure. I believe it serves two important purposes (reproduction and unity). Pleasure can certainly be a product of it and the pleasure is good, but it should be with a spouse. I eat to live, I don't have to have sex to live.

Unpopular opinion, probably going to be attacked. So I may be ditching this thread soon, peace.

Unity is an extremely weak excuse for saying I want to have sex but not for children at this particular time. Just own it up, you like the pleasure, we all do, you can take and fake up a moral high ground but the only one you are fooling is yourself.

And if you really only eat to live, do you eat the bear minimum to live a healthy life? No snacks? Drink only water?

Pleasure is in every part of life, nothing selfish or sinful in enjoying those things
 

hecatomb

Banned
I don't think people know the definition of the word pleasure, you can take pleasure out of anything, thats why I drink everyday.
 

Nymphae

Banned
Then why are you so worried about it? I think you are just being paranoid. Normal people don't have conversations about their hentai games in IRL. Im pretty sure hentai has been around since like the 80s. And those people know they will just be made fun of. If I had a friend come up to me and try to make me play one of those games, id never talk to them again.

Worried about what? We were discussing the harmfulness of violent games vs porn games. I didn't say people do talk about henai games IRL (I'm sure some do), I said they will maybe have conversations about the games they played last night, I didn't specify hentai games and in fact I was specifically talking about CoD. I tend to agree with you that people who discuss sex games in IRL are going to get weird looks. I also said people will often talk about sexual encounters they have had, it's fairly common. But not much masturbation story sharing for some reason lol. Hmm I wonder why that is.
 
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hecatomb

Banned
Worried about what? We were discussing the harmfulness of violent games vs porn games. I didn't say people do talk about henai games IRL (I'm sure some do), I said they will maybe have conversations about the games they played last night, I didn't specify hentai games and in fact I was specifically talking about CoD. I tend to agree with you that people who discuss sex games in IRL are going to get weird looks. I also said people will often talk about sexual encounters they have had, it's fairly common. But not much masturbation story sharing for some reason lol. Hmm I wonder why that is.
who are these people you are talking about? Ive never met them. Normal people don't talk about their stupid porn games in real life. Theres been porn games before you were even born, on Atari 2600.

If you are so worried about some loser talking to you about some dumb porn game, heres an idea, just them tell I'm not going to ever talk to you again if you bring up the subject. Its not like your life is going to be over, it will be ok, you are not going to become homeless and go insane cause of your friends wants to talk about jerking off. Just tell them to stfu and never talk about it again.
 
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Bluecondor

Member
I started a thread on here about adult-themes in gaming about a month ago, and just from reading the responses, it sounds like there have been a number of well-made games out there (especially from Japan) that have dealt with serious issues related to sex and adult themes, from relationships, body issues, questions of sexuality and rape/sexual assault:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/new-...-are-legitimate-games.1464156/#post-253361472

Just knowing that these games exist, it is nice to hear that Valve is opening its platform for developers to be able to generate revenue for such games and for consumers to be able to purchase games that address this content.

Admittedly, there will also be a number of other games that address sex and sexuality with something closer to pornography and full on XXX-rated games.

All in all though, it is nice to see a platform for games that have serious adult content - along with less serious adult entertainment.
 
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Bluecondor

Member
Also - a great example of a current site that offers a number of adult-themed games is the games section on https://f95zone.com/

It is somewhat similar to Steam, in that developers of adult-themed games can interact with users who are interested in these games. While many of the games are low budget and not very sophisticated, some of the games that have been developed using the ren'py platform are pretty in-depth visual novels that have detailed renders and stories with lots of interesting choices.

Again - much of it is porn/XXX-rated content, but there are some real gems on that site that address serious adult-themes.

For example - there is a game on there called "Acting Lessons" which features themes related to domestic violence and has a charming back story about you (the main character) and your best friend, a character named Liam. Parts of the game are your typical X-rated fare, but mostly it is an ongoing story with many interesting choices that now has several hours of gameplay as a visual novel:

https://f95zone.com/threads/acting-lessons-v0-5-0-drpinkcake.12181/
 

Airola

Member
I think there is a big difference pretending to kill imaginary people versus pretending to have intimate relations with an imaginary person. The intent and action is very different.

I think that only tells about how desensitized we have become of killing people in video games. That might happen to erotic games too.
 

petran79

Banned
Worried about what? We were discussing the harmfulness of violent games vs porn games. I didn't say people do talk about henai games IRL (I'm sure some do), I said they will maybe have conversations about the games they played last night, I didn't specify hentai games and in fact I was specifically talking about CoD. I tend to agree with you that people who discuss sex games in IRL are going to get weird looks. I also said people will often talk about sexual encounters they have had, it's fairly common. But not much masturbation story sharing for some reason lol. Hmm I wonder why that is.

There was a time I was watching porn with friends but mostly for a laugh. There are so many porn parodies and they were extremely funny and cringeworthy.
Also porn parody titles are perhaps the best. I laughed when I heard the title "Need For Spit". Though now am not interested to learn about everyone's porn movie fetish, like humiliating or being humiliated by women etc But I dont regret the laughs we had


Same for many softcore or hardcore ero arcade games. Eg the arcade game Poker Ladies, Miss World 96 Nude, Lady Killer, Pocket Gal etc Some were accessible to kids and teens in arcades and Miss World featured short hardcore sex clips. When I was at elementary school watching softporn movies and games on TV was standard for our generation. We had Tutti Frutti and Electric Blue. Some teens showed me Party Games on Amiga. You just wiggled the joystick and watched hardcore sex scenes.
TV and game age rating boards may be stricter than ever but mentality hasnt changed much.
 

noise36

Member
Not my thing but I support this. Sick of the USA cultural quirk of extreme violence being ok but mild sexuality being frowned on.
 

lukilladog

Member
Correction: Education helps AVOIDING marriage.

Sure, but I was referring to actual marriages.

Why not? There is no positive correlation between porn availability and sexual assaults/rapes, let alone a cause-and-effect relationship between those variables.

It´s a good way to keep hormones at acceptable levels lol.

How is my beliefs hurting marriages?

The view of the world in your book is bronze age, it´s sexist and wicked when it comes to man - woman relationships.
 
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