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Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 - Extended Gameplay Trailer
- Thread starter jshackles
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- E3 - PC Gaming Show
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Finally some gameplay.
SurprisedPikachu
Member
but can I identify as a non-binary apache helicopter omni-sexual wearing a fur suit?
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I'm hesitant until I see more. It's going to take a lot to get me interested in this game because of the SJW crap this dev has been pulling.
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I'm hesitant until I see more. It's going to take a lot to get me interested in this game because of the SJW crap this dev has been pulling.
Shin
Banned
zeorhymer
Member
She's too sexy. Those damn misogynistic devs!Good then I'm not the only one, I came here expecting:
Ol'Scratch
Member
This game hurts me to the core. When I heard the whispers a while back I wanted to believe but I knew that in this wonderful age that we live in that the odds were slim that this might escape the "progressive" taint. Sadly everything I have seen leads me to have to accept that instead of escaping it, it went elbow deep.
wordslaughter
Banned
Serious? Fuck. I'm out.
Any specifics on the SJW crap? Woke writers can ruin anything.
A former RockPaperShotgun writer, Cara Ellison, is on board. They're trying to "broaden Bloodlines 2 from the more masculine power fantasy of the original."
Vampire: The Masquerade -- Bloodlines 2 preview
The sequel to Vampire: The Masquerade -- Bloodlines is finally announced at GDC in San Francisco. A first-person bite 'em up RPG.
www.rockpapershotgun.com
They also talk about it being inherently political.
wordslaughter
Banned
Well... I guess I'll wait to see more.
Hype significantly deflated.
Why don't they know who ACTUALLY buys their games? I'm sure there will be women who will play and gay and trans people too. But they can't possibly make up anymore than 1%.
As diverse as they may want things to be, 99% of their customers will be straight MEN. This is who they need to cater to, but plenty of companies forgetting that these days.
Hype significantly deflated.
Why don't they know who ACTUALLY buys their games? I'm sure there will be women who will play and gay and trans people too. But they can't possibly make up anymore than 1%.
As diverse as they may want things to be, 99% of their customers will be straight MEN. This is who they need to cater to, but plenty of companies forgetting that these days.
Ol'Scratch
Member
The first game, broken and janky as it may be was considered a classic and an amazing game by countless people. So something had to be right. So of course fucking Peggy Progressive and the Inclusion crew have to come in and fuck up everything believing that they can do better.
Helios
Member
Man, I don't really like what I'm seeing. A lot of the original vibe is taken out and there's not that much gameplay in this gameplay trailer. A bit unrelated but I also expected the Nosferatu to look uglier.
This also doesn't inspire me any confidence.A former RockPaperShotgun writer, Cara Ellison, is on board. They're trying to "broaden Bloodlines 2 from the more masculine power fantasy of the original."
Vampire: The Masquerade -- Bloodlines 2 preview
The sequel to Vampire: The Masquerade -- Bloodlines is finally announced at GDC in San Francisco. A first-person bite 'em up RPG.
They also talk about it being inherently political.
Makariel
Member
The World of Darkness P&P and LARP were always having pretty much 50% female players. Back in the 90ies and early 00s if you played P&P RPG and wanted to meet women, you needed to pick up Vampire the Masquerade. If you are super sensitive to "wokeness" stay clear of WoD, you might get a rash reading some of the old RPG sourcebooks. Yes they were edgy and sexy, but they were also some of the first P&P RPG books with a diverse representation of heroes and villains, including all races and genders (albeit sticking more to the Christian mythos with Cain in terms of religion). WoD was "woke" long before that was a thing.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Surprised that Vampire chick showed off her stomach.
The first Vampire game was kind of political within itself with the whole power balance between the groups. I don't wanna see Vampire's wearing Resist t-shirts though.
The first Vampire game was kind of political within itself with the whole power balance between the groups. I don't wanna see Vampire's wearing Resist t-shirts though.
Makariel
Member
I guess you aren't a fan of Clan Brujah then? I mean, their Clan symbol is the upside down anarchy sign:
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Ventrue scum detected. Keep bendin over for your masters.
Screamer-RSA
Member
This reveal just screams "wait for people to start playing it, and then wait for the meta critic/steam review bombs" to really see how far on the woke meter these clowns pushed it. Reviewers can't be trusted, definitely not with this game.
Helios
Member
Depends how they write it.
All of the factions in VtMB1 were pricks in their own way, including the Anarchs. The game leaned more heavily on the fact that LaCroix was a manipulative bitch, but he was not necessarily representative of the whole Camarilla.
It also had real-life political commentary but it was done in a very satirical way.
More importantly, if they ever go with this route in the new game, I hope they remember that power struggles was not the only focus of the game. It had unique side-stories that had nothing to do with the main story and quirky things like this that today are maybe viewed as edgy, but fit into the world while also providing some comic relief.
I trust Avellone, especially considering his recent statements echo exactly what VtMB1 was all about, but I definitely don't want any of what the other chick is selling.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
lmao, it was so hilarious discovering that.
RedVIper
Banned
I don't think peoples problem is with the games diversity. It's exactly that it seems to have lost that sexiness and edge that the first had.
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Makariel
Member
Is that so? Not sure if we are reading in the same thread then? Hmmm...
mcz117chief
Member
I currently run 5e DnD and all my players are women ranging from 28 to 58. I always found it interesting that DnD is considered a man's club when I met a ton of women playing it. Maybe WoD has even more.
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Honey Bunny
Member
I felt like sex appeal/ male power fantasy was responsible for 90% of the original's popularity. Its sort of like releasing an RE remake without all the stupid horror stuff. Let's hope they were just playing lip service to game journos.
WhiskeyDiver
Member
I'm looking forward to it.
SurprisedPikachu
Member
I think you've missed the point of the complaints. The developers are doing the whole forced diversity and inclusiveness for woke points thing is what has people up in arms. No one cares about races or sexuality as far as I am aware. It's just that we all play games to escape the real world political drudge we have to deal with every day only for the alt-left to shove it into our faces more. It's the agenda pushing crap the devs are trying to market as a selling point. Why can't something just be a happy surprise? Seriously, I probably would not have cared if they inserted some retarded gender spectrum so you can roleplay your apache helicopter power fantasy if they had not made a big deal about it. I would have probably been "Oh, that's weird. Do any of these made up genders affect any of the gameplay? No? I'll choose something random then."
But no. That's not how it worked out - devs came out pushing an agenda and that is what people are up in arms about.
GrayChild
Member
I'm perfectly aware of that, this was just a lame attempt at making a joke about the whole thing.
Right now I'm on the verge of just accepting that this is where the whole industry is heading and start paying more attention to older games which haven't been plagued with such pandering and virtue-signalling.
But yeah, the introducing of gender pronouns before we see even a second of in-game footage was already a huge red flag. We'll know more once the game gets released, but I'm almost completely sure that Bloodlines 2 will lose some of the edgy humor the series was so well known for just for the sake of pleasing even the most vocal professional victims.
SurprisedPikachu
Member
Oh, big whoosh then on my part, I guess.
To be absolutely honest with you though (and slightly off topic) I am pretty happy with this new trend of remastering old games. Let me put on the tinfoil hat for a moment and speculate something. I think it's possible the companies have recognized the agenda pushing is cutting into their profits and that they're trying to curb that by re-releasing old games and push the cloud gaming which will ultimately remove your ability of choosing what to play.
RedVIper
Banned
Neither of those is referencing the game?
The first is complaining about the dev team that decided to change certain aspects of the game.
The second is commenting about the market that buys their game, he's probably wrong about 99% being straight men, but the majority of people who played the first certainly belong in that demographic.
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I don't think they did make a big deal about it. It was mentioned in the context of the character creator as one of the aspects you could change, along with your appearance and profession. As far as I can tell it hasn't been discussed since. It isn't mentioned on the Bloodlines 2 website, and wasn't talked about in the live streams for each clan, where they focussed on your characters' choice of past profession and the ability to roleplay as a barista! Nobody accuses the developers of forcing the "barista agenda" down our throats, no matter how many time they mention it, because this doesn't make anyone feel threatened. But they only need to mention the ability to choose your gender pronoun once, and we won't stop talking about it.
As far as the overall messaging for the game goes,. the theme seems to be that you have to choose what kind of monster you want to be. That is, you have to relinquish some element of your humanity, and must decide what to hold on to and what to let go of. The released videos suggest if you want to let go of empathy or connection with other beings, and become an inhuman psychopath, you can do. To me covering someone with lighter fluid and burning them alive, doesn't scream "safe and sensitized".
IbizaPocholo
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Helios
Member
Some thoughts:
I much preferred the previous game's bus station maps rather than this skyrim compass. It may be needed if the cities are bigger but it's a shame they couldn't keep that in.
Those facial animations are a downgrade from the previous game.
I like the verticality of the levels. Could make playing a stealth build really interesting if done well.
The combat seems janky, but the guy playing is also trash.
Is that the same voice-actor for the news reporter?
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Ivory Blood
Member
Yeah I think they nailed the atmosphere of the environments. But everything else is very meh :/
Really need to work on their animations and the dialogue is some fanfiction tier quality. Plus Mitsoda is still horrible as a voice actor.
Of course I have it pre-ordered and will play it first thing, but I hope it will get substantially better closer to release.
Really need to work on their animations and the dialogue is some fanfiction tier quality. Plus Mitsoda is still horrible as a voice actor.
Of course I have it pre-ordered and will play it first thing, but I hope it will get substantially better closer to release.
Revolutionary
Member
The developer's history really worried me but I have to admit it looks way better than I thought it would. But then again my expectations were rock-bottom lol
IbizaPocholo
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Gamezone
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Helios
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Ivory Blood
Member
Why do they keep showing that horrible gameplay. This game needs to be delayed, please. It's bloodlines, it can't shit on it's own legacy 
Makariel
Member
Bloodlines was a buggy mess when it came out and was unplayable in places. Thanks to fan patches it actually was halfway "complete" years later, so kicking it out of the door early is in line with the seriesWhy do they keep showing that horrible gameplay. This game needs to be delayed, please. It's bloodlines, it can't shit on it's own legacy