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Venezuela's 'staggering' exodus reaches 4 million, UN refugee agency says

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Source via Yahoo / The Guardian.

The number of Venezuelan migrants and refugees stood at about 695,000 at the end of 2015, the UNHCR and the International Organization for Migration (IOM) announced on Friday.
Three and a half years later – with Venezuela immersed in a seemingly intractable social and political crisis – that number has “skyrocketed” to more than 4 million, the groups said.
About half of that total have sought shelter in two South American countries – Colombia and Peru – which host about 1.3 million and 768,000 respectively. Many others have made for Chile (288,000), Ecuador (263,000), Brazil (168,000) and Argentina (130,000).
The humanitarian groups said “significant” numbers were also heading to the Caribbean, Central America and Mexico. Venezuelan activists and officials in Mexico estimate the exile community there has grown to about 40,000 in recent years.
A growing number are also heading to the United States, with nearly 30,000 Venezuelans applying for asylum there last year, according to the Los Angeles Times. That meant Venezuela had overtaken China to become the number one country of origin for those claiming asylum on arrival or shortly after, the newspaper said.

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Surely 4 million citizens leaving their country of origin -- 25% of those within the last seven months -- is not a good sign.

I wonder if US propaganda and well-stocked grocery store shelves are driving them out of the country.
 

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should take as many as we can, whatever doesn't break the system

but they need to speak english and have some equitable skills, the women and children are gonna end up trafficked and murdered
 
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should take as many as we can, whatever doesn't break the system

but they need to speak english and have some equitable skills, the women and children are gonna end up trafficked and murdered
Speak (learn) English, be a productive member of society, and integrate into American values and I'll take the whole damned world in. Come looking for a handout and you can stay where you are.
 

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Many are fleeing to my country, Brazil. Which tells how desperate they are.

I'm ashamed how our previous government used tax payer money to help fund this travesty regime and even supported openly in TV advertisements. I feel we have a duty to welcome them the best we can, even if we can't do much since our economy is in shambles.
 

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If we had records of who didn’t vote for Meduro then we could take those people in.

Anyone who did deserves the future they chose.
 
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The sad part is a lot of those fleeing were the same morons pushing for the current system they have now.

All they’re going to do is go to other countries and contribute 0 to their host nation. They will use up as many free government services as possible. When there’s nothing left, they will either resort to illicit activities to earn money or go somewhere else and start the same cycle all over again.

Trust me, I’ve met these Venezuelans. They’re really bottom of the barrel in terms of ideology. They lie, cheat, and steal. I’ve also worked with them before in business. They’re absolutely the worst.

And this is why their country as it is now is a piece of shit. Shitty people equals shitty government. Shitty people and shitty government leads to a shitty country.

It’s not complicated to understand.
 
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azz0r

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The sad part is a lot of those fleeing were the same morons pushing for the current system they have now.

All they’re going to do is go to other countries and contribute 0 to their host nation. They will use up as many free government services as possible. When there’s nothing left, they will either resort to illicit activities to earn money or go somewhere else and start the same cycle all over again.

Trust me, I’ve met these Venezuelans. They’re really bottom of the barrel in terms of ideology. They lie, cheat, and steal. I’ve also worked with them before in business. They’re absolutely the worst.

And this is why their country as it is now is a piece of shit. Shitty people equals shitty government. Shitty people and shitty government leads to a shitty country.

It’s not complicated to understand.
Woah you dolt, not every Venezuelan is like that.
 

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UN agencies = PR lies for the major powers, mostly the USA and the west power bloc.

The far right and alt-left in partnership are 100% the forces tryng to destroy Venezuela.

The Guardian newspaper (once the Manchester guardian, by which *educated* Americans still know it as), is Tony Blair's official mouthpiece, and literally the Newspaper of Britain's Fabian movement.

There is a significant website called Off-Guardian. This website exists to *prove* the censorship in the Guardian comment sections (which these days rarely exist for any story). Off-Guardian publishes the censored comments, then asks people to query what possible rules said comment broke.

Decades ago soft lefties *loved* the guardian as an apparent liberal humane paper in a nation where that wasn't common. Then the demon Tony Blair rose to power, and the fabians showed their true colours. Almost overnite the Guardian switched to what its former fans considered an anti-Human, war-mongering ultra-right position. In other words everything Tony Blair and the alt-left stand for.

The Guardian is pure satanic evil. So anyone quoting a Guardian report has already revealed who and what their real agenda is. Like all those tweets and forum posts from Peter Bright till he was finally taken down as the child sex criminal he had always boasted he was.

If the Guardian sez it, you can be sure the truth lies 100% in the *opposite* direction.
 
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Burnttips

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UN agencies = PR lies for the major powers, mostly the USA and the west power bloc.

The far right and alt-left in partnership are 100% the forces tryng to destroy Venezuela.

The Guardian newspaper (once the Manchester guardian, by which *educated* Americans still know it as), is Tony Blair's official mouthpiece, and literally the Newspaper of Britain's Fabian movement.

There is a significant website called Off-Guardian. This website exists to *prove* the censorship in the Guardian comment sections (which these days rarely exist for any story). Off-Guardian publishes the censored comments, then asks people to query what possible rules said comment broke.

Decades ago soft lefties *loved* the guardian as an apparent liberal humane paper in a nation where that wasn't common. Then the demon Tony Blair rose to power, and the fabians showed their true colours. Almost overnite the Guardian switched to what its former fans considered an anti-Human, war-mongering ultra-right position. In other words everything Tony Blair and the alt-left stand for.

The Guardian is pure satanic evil. So anyone quoting a Guardian report has already revealed who and what their real agenda is. Like all those tweets and forum posts from Peter Bright till he was finally taken down as the child sex criminal he had always boasted he was.

If the Guardian sez it, you can be sure the truth lies 100% in the *opposite* direction.

I couldn’t find any source for the stuff your posting, sooo.
 

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That's like 12% of the population. It would be on the scale of 40 million Americans leaving the US or 160 million Chinese escaping China.
 
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KINGMOKU

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UN agencies = PR lies for the major powers, mostly the USA and the west power bloc.

The far right and alt-left in partnership are 100% the forces tryng to destroy Venezuela.

The Guardian newspaper (once the Manchester guardian, by which *educated* Americans still know it as), is Tony Blair's official mouthpiece, and literally the Newspaper of Britain's Fabian movement.

There is a significant website called Off-Guardian. This website exists to *prove* the censorship in the Guardian comment sections (which these days rarely exist for any story). Off-Guardian publishes the censored comments, then asks people to query what possible rules said comment broke.

Decades ago soft lefties *loved* the guardian as an apparent liberal humane paper in a nation where that wasn't common. Then the demon Tony Blair rose to power, and the fabians showed their true colours. Almost overnite the Guardian switched to what its former fans considered an anti-Human, war-mongering ultra-right position. In other words everything Tony Blair and the alt-left stand for.

The Guardian is pure satanic evil. So anyone quoting a Guardian report has already revealed who and what their real agenda is. Like all those tweets and forum posts from Peter Bright till he was finally taken down as the child sex criminal he had always boasted he was.

If the Guardian sez it, you can be sure the truth lies 100% in the *opposite* direction.

"For Stefansson, even a small overlap between the biology of mental illness and creativity is fascinating. “It means that a lot of the good things we get in life, through creativity, come at a price. It tells me that when it comes to our biology, we have to understand that everything is in some way good and in some way bad,” he said."

Have you considered writing a television pilot, or novel?
 
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The sad part is a lot of those fleeing were the same morons pushing for the current system they have now.

All they’re going to do is go to other countries and contribute 0 to their host nation. They will use up as many free government services as possible. When there’s nothing left, they will either resort to illicit activities to earn money or go somewhere else and start the same cycle all over again.

Trust me, I’ve met these Venezuelans. They’re really bottom of the barrel in terms of ideology. They lie, cheat, and steal. I’ve also worked with them before in business. They’re absolutely the worst.

And this is why their country as it is now is a piece of shit. Shitty people equals shitty government. Shitty people and shitty government leads to a shitty country.

It’s not complicated to understand.
Wow...okay. did you lose to a venezuelean in a poker game or something?
 
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Absolutely not. This is our land, not theirs.
Yeah, no. I deliver almost exclusively to small businesses, and I meet a shit-ton of people who are the poster-children of the American Dream who had the misfortune of being born without American citizenship. They came here the right way, became residents, became citizens, and are now selling mattresses.

I want to give every latent-American a fast track to contributing to our society. This is not open-borders horseshit that the Left esposes, this is wanting the best of the best to come here and MAGA.
 
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Why are millions fleeing Venezuela?
it's actually a lot more complicated than most people make out and has more to do with the political reality on the ground in the country, typical latin corruption and monetary policy than anything. Short version is that Chavez rose to power after the right drove the country into the complete ground similar to the situation today, thousands were dying in mass riots, millions fleeing the country, the entire country's wealth was being siphoned out into Miami etc etc. When Chavez came in he came in on an insane wave of popular support and basically started transforming the country introducing what you would call very "Northern European" social democratic policy, we're talking sovereign wealth funds, price controls on essential goods, massive infrastructure investment, Economic diversification programs etc. These were going alright for a decade or so until 2008, 2008 saw the GFC which saw diversification efforts and investment collapse and Venezuela go back to being a country reliant of Imports for goods and oil, in 2012 oil prices dropped, Venezuela having crappy crude oil that nobody really wants saw the country go into crisis and the monetary police/price controls which actually saw increased production and consumption in Venezuela during the previous decade becomese a noose on the economy, on top of this, Chavez dies and the kind of unpopular Maduro rises to power.

Maduro knows he needs reforms but he knows the second he tries to get rid of price controls and change the monetary policy, his support will drop to nothing, see despite what the media tells you, the PSUV is wildly popular in Venezula and Chavez is seen basically as a god, the PSUV gets it's support from the rural and working poor of the country which make up... most of the population so reforming Chavista policy which your base basically needs to survive.. not a good move. So Maduro instead resorts to more authoritarian ways to stay in power. Should be noted that the opposition in Venezuela are basically a broad church from far-right to far-left of single digit parties that work in a coalition, all hate eachother and are incompetent to levels even worse than Maduro, may of Maduro's blatantly authoritarian moves could have been blocked but the Opposition spends way too much time infighting and spazzing out to put up any real resistance.

On top of those throw in your typical Latin corruption. Venezuela has always been a country where Government rely on military "support" to stay in power or a coup occurs, so what the PSUV did is started seizing business especially under Maduro, and putting military men in charge who would run them into the ground. Another issue with the monetary policy is that it allows business to "import" subsidised goods, and then those businesses will smuggle those subsidised goods across the border into Colombia and sell them at Market rate, this is called a "Carousel scam". Corruption and smuggling is the main way you make money in Venezuela and everyone is in on it, business imports subsidised goods, makes deal with official to turn a blind eye and a entire years supply of medical goods are suddenly on sale in Colombia (which literally happened), this is how you have Government officials with millions if not billions in the bank and the business elite of Venezuela still living in mansions and flying to see Tiesto at Ultra in Miami.

One of the more ironic things with Venezuela is that if it actually went full Deng Leninist like China or Vietnam, it most likely wouldn't be suffering any of these problems, hell if Chavez was alive it likely would have felt a big shock but would be nowhere near as bad as it is now. It's problems are uniquely tied to trying to basically run a Northern European style social democracy in a country that is built entirely on corruption and buying off the military.