Video Showing Officer Brian Sicknick Being Beaten to Death

[Madonis]

This is the problem with mob mentality, regardless of ideology. People get caught up in the moment and will follow the crowd out of instinct.

Most of the time it won't lead to anything serious, but at other times...you'll get stuff like this (or worse) and someone will die.

 

[Thaedolus]

The Left, am I making a bad assumption?

Which part? Biden was never on board with that rhetoric, I don’t think it was ever that mainstream. Twitter isn’t representative of real life

 

[Batiman]

Police and security way too lax.

It happened during Floyd riots and sure seem easy peasy during the Capitol Hill riots.

All this does is show it's easy. BLM/Antifa have kept doing it all year. And mobs of angry Trump supporters will probably do it again another time whether it's Capitol Hill or another government building.

For real. They seem so trigger happy in situations they shouldn’t be, but take it easy on rioters. I’m not expecting them to shoot people in crowded areas but is there not something more effective they can use to scare off crowds? Flash bang? Lol I’m not sure if that would be a good idea. I don’t know shit about this but it’s really pissing me off seeing how avoidable this death was.

 

[CrankyJay™]

Man, my claustrophobia kicked in hard watching these videos.

 

[Punished Miku]

For real. They seem so trigger happy in situations they shouldn’t be, but take it easy on rioters. I’m not expecting them to shoot people in crowded areas but is there not something more effective they can use to scare off crowds? Flash bang? Lol I’m not sure if that would be a good idea. I don’t know shit about this but it’s really pissing me off seeing how avoidable this death was.

Supposedly they used flash bangs and it caused a heart attack death.

 

[HeresJohnny]

Which part? Biden was never on board with that rhetoric, I don’t think it was ever that mainstream. Twitter isn’t representative of real life

It took Biden like 3 months to condemn it. How many people had died by that point? How many buildings burned? How many lives ruined? Biden also straddled the fence regarding defunding, promising he'd do something when pressed on it by a voter. Plus he promised to appoint AOC to a cabinet position after she'd said "defund means defund."

 

[Elpidio Valdés]

Man that video is stomach churning! As a conservative I'm incredibly disappointed in Trump and disgusted by the acts that occurred on January 6.

The truth is that Joe Biden won and all of the fraud allegations/investigations amounted to absolutely nothing. Donald fucking Trump has brought the party of Abraham Lincoln to the brink of extinction. I'm still a conservative, that's not going to change but there's a lot of work to be done to fix the shitshow that was January 6 because that was a day that won't soon be forgotten.

 

[FunkMiller]

It took Biden like 3 months to condemn it. How many people had died by that point? How many buildings burned? How many lives ruined? Biden also straddled the fence regarding defunding, promising he'd do something when pressed on it by a voter. Plus he promised to appoint AOC to a cabinet position after she'd said "defund means defund."

Says he did it a lot quicker than that here:

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-joe-biden-condemned-164501432.html

On May 29, he told CNN that people “have a right to be, in fact, angry and frustrated. And more violence, hurting more people, isn’t going to answer the question."

On May 31, he wrote in a statement on Medium that protesting police brutality is “right and necessary” and “an utterly American response."

“But burning down communities and needless destruction is not,” Biden wrote. “Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

On June 2, in a speech in Philadelphia, recorded by ABC News, Biden said there is "no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses."

"We need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction," he said.

On July 28, in a speech in Wilmington, Delaware, he echoed that sentiment, per C-SPAN.

“Peaceful protesters should be protected – but arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted – and local law enforcement can do that," he said.

 

[Batiman]

This is the problem with mob mentality, regardless of ideology. People get caught up in the moment and will follow the crowd out of instinct.

Most of the time it won't lead to anything serious, but at other times...you'll get stuff like this (or worse) and someone will die.

Yep these people are scumbags but I doubt anyone there planned on murdering someone. People feed off each other in the moment. At that moment they’re probably just thinking to get some shots in on a cop because they’re adrenaline is through the roof. Next thing you know someone’s giving him his final blow. Fuck these assholes

 

[CrankyJay™]

Says he did it a lot quicker than that here:

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-joe-biden-condemned-164501432.html

You’ll never satisfy these people. They’ll just come back and say “yeah well who is fact checking the fact checkers?”

 

[EHuntingon]

Edit: Nevermind

 

[Thaedolus]

It took Biden like 3 months to condemn it. How many people had died by that point? How many buildings burned? How many lives ruined? Biden also straddled the fence regarding defunding, promising he'd do something when pressed on it by a voter. Plus he promised to appoint AOC to a cabinet position after she'd said "defund means defund."

I have a feeling this is more “look at that bitch eating crackers” than what Biden actually is about

 

[Batiman]

Supposedly they used flash bangs and it caused a heart attack death.

So it wasn’t a good idea then....

I still don’t really know what a flash bang does exactly or the dangers of them lol. The bang alone I’m assuming startled the person into a heart attack? How does that work?

 

[FunkMiller]

As I said in a previous thread, it's the lack of a universal rule when it comes to the application of the law in the last year. If Trump needs to be removed, then so does Harris, Pelosi, and all the other who encouraged the riots last summer. If these rioters at the Capitol need to be put on no-fly lists and held accountable for their actions, then so do all the people who took part in the riots last summer.

In the spirit of some of the new mod rules on the forum, can you link to decent sources that support that they did this? I know they supported people’s right to peaceful protest, but if they genuinely supported and encouraged violent rioting, I haven’t seen it.

Because believe me, if they have done, I’ll condemn them the same I have Trump.

 

[Batiman]

Says he did it a lot quicker than that here:

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-joe-biden-condemned-164501432.html

On May 29, he told CNN that people “have a right to be, in fact, angry and frustrated. And more violence, hurting more people, isn’t going to answer the question."

On May 31, he wrote in a statement on Medium that protesting police brutality is “right and necessary” and “an utterly American response."

“But burning down communities and needless destruction is not,” Biden wrote. “Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

On June 2, in a speech in Philadelphia, recorded by ABC News, Biden said there is "no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses."

"We need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction," he said.

On July 28, in a speech in Wilmington, Delaware, he echoed that sentiment, per C-SPAN.

“Peaceful protesters should be protected – but arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted – and local law enforcement can do that," he said.

I honestly didn’t know he condemned them that fast TBH. I see a lot of posters here claiming he took forever to. But overall there was a lot of bullshit cheerleading all summer from everyone else.

 

[Batiman]

In the spirit of some of the new mod rules on the forum, can you link to decent sources that support that they did this? I know they supported people’s right to peaceful protest, but if they genuinely supported and encouraged violent rioting, I haven’t seen it.

Because believe me, if they have done, I’ll condemn them the same I have Trump.

That Harris Colbert interview comes to mind. That was a horrible look. I mean I wouldn’t say she was supporting riots. She was supporting protests, but at that point riots were out of control everywhere and barely any protest seemed peaceful

 

[Thaedolus]

So it wasn’t a good idea then....

I still don’t really know what a flash bang does exactly or the dangers of them lol. The bang alone I’m assuming startled the person into a heart attack? How does that work?

The name of it is very literal: it makes a bright flash and loud bang which disorients the target by temporarily blinding and deafening them. Also been known to kill infants in their cribs during no knock raids

 

[Umbral]

Individuals can be smart.

Groups are stupid and dangerous.

 

[INCUBASE]

Individuals can be smart.

Groups are stupid and dangerous.

Especially when hyped up but someone, of extremely low intelligence, and told to march there

Imagine becoming a cop killer over someone like trump or rudy, depressing

 

[InDaGulag]

As I said in a previous thread, it's the lack of a universal rule when it comes to the application of the law in the last year. If Trump needs to be removed, then so does Harris, Pelosi, and all the other who encouraged the riots last summer.

Pelosi, Harris and their like are squishy moderate libs. No way in hell did they condone any violence at BLM protests. lol

One can agree with the statement of BLM, while being against looting, rioting, hell even ACAB. The folks you are mad at are not this monolith group your media sources portray them as.

For how much the right goes off on the left and libs they sure do have little actual understanding on how different a liberal and leftist is, let alone the many other factions/terms like antifa, progressives, tankies, soc-dens, market socialists, marxist-lenists, wokescolds, blue dogs, establishment, etc.

The Left and Liberals do not get along most of the time. Most certainly in America. At best they form temporary alliances against common foes.

 

[EHuntingon]

Edit: Nevermind

 

[FunkMiller]

That Harris Colbert interview comes to mind. That was a horrible look.

But a five second Google search leads to this Reuters article clearly indicating that she did not support riots, and that the interview was deliberately altered to make it seem so by bad faith actors:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-late-show-rio-idUSKBN27E34P

 

[darkazcura]

As I said in a previous thread, it's the lack of a universal rule when it comes to the application of the law in the last year. If Trump needs to be removed, then so does Harris, Pelosi, and all the other who encouraged the riots last summer. If these rioters at the Capitol need to be put on no-fly lists and held accountable for their actions, then so do all the people who took part in the riots last summer. If Parler needs to be shut down as it's a hotbed of insurrection planning, then so does Twitter and Reddit. It's not a matter of me being upset rules apply to "my side", it's a matter of the rules being applied only to "my side". Where was all the outrage from everyone for the police killed last summer? Where was the FBI in tracking down and no-flying the rioters last year? I can't stand the lack of a universal enforcement of our code of laws. Why does the Left get a free pass and understanding, while the Right gets demonized and obliterated?

All of this sucks. The entire situation we find ourselves diving headlong into is terrible, but how am I supposed to ignore the blatant hypocrisy of it all?

14,000 people were arrested during the summer related to those protests last summer. Not sure where the left are getting a free pass. Violence should be prosecuted no matter what as Biden stated.

Also, there is generally a gigantic difference between storming the Capital over conspiracy theories (election fraud) vs protesting the streets with some horrible people taking advantage of the situation with the protests being based on innocent people being killed by the police.

 

[FunkMiller]

You might have already condemned them, I can't go back that far in the search here.

Also, now I have to use "decent sources" to substantiate the very thing I'm claiming those "decent sources" didn't cover? I'm supposed to pull up news from that time, that hasn't been changed or corrected. It's not going to happen. Stories are ghost-edited all the time. I don't have archive.is links for everything. I can probably get images or stories from Right-wing sources, but you probably won't accept that. This is an argument I can never win. It just ends up the same way, every time.

Forgive me, but if you’re going to claim that Pelosi, Harris etc actively supported and encouraged rioting... you’re going to have to back that up with evidence from a source that isn’t a far right source with questionable ethics and integrity.

I’ll happily take anything from independent confirmed news sources.

 

[Batiman]

But a five second Google search leads to this Reuters article clearly indicating that she did not support riots, and that the interview was deliberately altered to make it seem so by bad faith actors:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-late-show-rio-idUSKBN27E34P

Sorry I edited my post.

 

[Airola]

I think bidens presidency needs to take a serious look at this divide. What's causing it, how can they fix it. They're already failing at this though by calling these people " trump supporters". These people are lunatics. They don't have the mental capacity to support anyone.

Nah, who they are voting for shouldn't be downplayed.

Last year showed that peaceful left wing Trump haters can be evil and a danger to society.
This year has showed that peaceful right wing Trump supporters can be evil and a danger to society.

I don't like to say it because I have given Trump a lot of benefit of the doubt and I think I still do, and I don't like to think that Trump is responsible for any of this, but surely at the very least you should be able to say they definitely are Trump supporters and they have listened what he has said and have been enthusiastic about him and Trump has done virtually nothing to tone down that overbearing excitement and enthusiasm. Some blame has to go to him too. To avoid blaming him so much that you don't even want to call the rioters Trump supporters is all about closing your eyes from reality in favor of a person you like to support.

Look, this doesn't take away the good Trump has done. He was a good president for most of his presidency, but he ended up losing the plot, partly probably because he liked to be liked and he wanted that enthusiasm aimed at him.

And sure, a lot of the democrats are god damn hypocrites and we should not forget what they allowed to happen last year. But that's not an excuse to downplay any of this and to completely remove Trump out of the equation in what has caused these problems.

 

[GAMETA]

Jesus, these people are fucking animals.

Extremism is always this same dumb shit.

 

[JordanN]

14,000 people were arrested during the summer related to those protests last summer. Not sure where the left are getting a free pass. Violence should be prosecuted no matter what as Biden stated.

Also, there is generally a gigantic difference between storming the Capital over conspiracy theories vs protesting the streets with bad actors with the protests being based on innocent people being killed by the police.

Israel & Palestinian protests don't have bad actors. Hong Kong protests don't have bad actors.

BLM should not have even been out on the streets when we were still dealing with a global pandemic virus we barely knew anything about. And yet somehow the media was able to make up excuses that later turned into small businesses being looted and set on fire.

Want a protest? Why didn't they stay at home like how everyone else was told to do while their businesses were slowly being suffocated?

 

[EHuntingon]

I shouldn't argue with you. We're both against violence, and want that violence prosecuted.

Edit: 2021 Rules

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think the key difference you guys are forgetting about the whole carnage BLM/Antifa did all summer vs. the one day Capitol Hill riot is amount of content vs. criticism.

Considering how much destruction there's been starting from the Floyd riots vs. Capitol Hill, you'd think the typical media channel, democrat mayor and Biden (who is the leader of democrats) would be downplaying the destruction every hour for months.

But they barely said anything for sake of pandering and preventing losing votes.

That's like teacher or a school principal seeing fights every day at recess, but only publicly say to students twice a year don't fight. But the other 200 school days they shut their mouths as fists fly daily.

 

[darkazcura]

Israel & Palestinian protests don't have bad actors. Hong Kong protests don't have bad actors.

BLM should not have even been out on the streets when we were still dealing with a global pandemic virus we barely knew anything about. And yet somehow the media was able to make up excuses that later turned into small businesses being looted and set on fire.

Want a protest? Why didn't they stay at home like how everyone else was told to do while their businesses were slowly being suffocated?

Why are you trying to change the subject into something about COVID now? We aren’t talking about that. People have the right to protest. People don’t have a right to be violent. The left didn’t get a “free pass” as the previous poster stated as there were 14,000 arrests, which was actually the discussion point. I think protesting the Capital over a conspiracy theory is stupid, but they had every right to do it if they stayed outside in a safe area. They stormed the Capital, though, and crossed every line so people trying to compare these situations should probably stop with the whataboutisms.

 

[Kreen101]

Has the family said anything since this statement:

Family of Officer Brian D. Sicknick says "many details regarding Wednesday’s events and the direct causes of Brian’s injuries remain unknown and our family asks the public and the press to respect our wishes in not making Brian’s passing a political issue.”

 

[Airola]

So is this what the right side of history, is suppose to looks like?

I think this is showing how the right side of history doesn't exist and a lot of people who claim they will be in the right side of history end up being hypocrites at some point. Happened to the left. Happened to the right.

 

[Redlight]

I don't think people (or at least posters) here are downplaying it. Many Trump supporters including myself, are sick and disgusted by what transpired. None of them represent us or what we believe.

We are however, are tired of the hypocrisy, hand waving and generalization. Some of those people there feel the same way we do and others were obviously there for mischief, violence and terrorism.

I'm not going to diminish that and I know certainly my fellow conservatives here don't as well. These people are scum and they should be ashamed of waving the Red, White and Blue.

Trump is not a conservative.

 

[JordanN]

Why are you trying to change the subject into something about COVID now? We aren’t talking about that. People have the right to protest. People don’t have a right to be violent. I think protesting the Capital over a conspiracy theory is stupid, but they had every right to do it if they stayed outside in a safe area. They stormed the Capital, though, and crossed every line so people trying to compare these situations should probably stop with the whataboutisms.

Because it's relevant.

If you came out to protest during a global pandemic, you were doing more to endanger lives than whatever officer #18474 did.

And all the organizers behind BLM or Capitol Hill knew this. Any non selfish person would understand that there's a global tragedy going on and it wont actually make the virus go away if you decide today is the day you want to protest the police or an election in what was massive crowds standing shoulder to shoulder.

That's why I can't feel sympathy or justify that any of these protests were actually in good faith or somehow moral. You could have protested at home and save more lives with your stunt, not create these irrelevant gatherings that didn't achieve anything but cause more mayhem and deaths.

 

[darkazcura]

Because it's relevant.

If you came out to protest during a global pandemic, you were doing more to endanger lives than whatever officer #18474 did.

And all the organizers behind BLM or Capitol Hill knew this. Any non selfish person would understand that there's a global tragedy going on and it wont actually make the virus go away if you decide today is the day you want to protest the police or an election.

Cool. It’s not what we were talking about or what the discussion was about, and it is actually completely irrelevant to this. I have no real interest in discussing what you are trying to change this into.

I’ll talk about COVID in a COVID thread.

 

[SlimySnake]

I know for sure I would have tried to stop the mob. But I've "jumped into the fray" anytime anyone I knew was in danger, to my own peril, multiple times.. so I know pretty well how I'd react. Not that I'm some tough guy, I just know my instincts are always to help.

I feel like that should be a basic personality trait for a cop.

I have always felt that American cops have lacked something. I dont want to say they lack courage because its clear you need courage to put that uniform on every morning, but somethings missing.

I have seen videos of soldiers doing insane things to protect the man next to them. insane. maybe its their training. maybe we arent hiring the right people. So many cops are trigger happy it makes me wonder if we need some kind of psych evaluation before we hire these men. everyone gets upset over cops killing unarmed black men, but something like 50% of all police shootings are white people too. its not a black or white issue.

If i was a cop I would never let anyone beat my fellow cops to death in front of me.

 

[Platinumstorm]

It showed incredible restraint for the capitol police to not open fire more than what happened.

 

[CrankyJay™]

These people are seeing ANTIFA ghosts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/09/he-was-documenting-chaotic-scene-when-suddenly-trump-supporters-turned-their-ire-him/

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That's why I can't feel sympathy or justify that any of these protests were actually in good faith or somehow moral. You could have protested at home and save more lives with your stunt, not create these irrelevant gatherings that didn't achieve anything but cause more mayhem and deaths.

That's because the average protester is an idiot. If life and politics is that bad, I'd spend my time being home and improving myself than hanging out with other losers looting and rioting downtown or Capitol Hill. It actually takes effort to do that type of shit, so they got the energy. But they use it for loser stuff.

No doubt with covid lockdown it's pretty darn boring half the time, especially if a city is on hard lockdown (like our Toronto). But who cares. Sit back, watch tv, scope out stock picks, go grab take out food.

I have always felt that American cops have lacked something. I dont want to say they lack courage because its clear you need courage to put that uniform on every morning, but somethings missing.

I have seen videos of soldiers doing insane things to protect the man next to them. insane. maybe its their training. maybe we arent hiring the right people. So many cops are trigger happy it makes me wonder if we need some kind of psych evaluation before we hire these men. everyone gets upset over cops killing unarmed black men, but something like 50% of all police shootings are white people too. its not a black or white issue.

If i was a cop I would never let anyone beat my fellow cops to death in front of me.

Cops and mobs of people are the exact same.

When they got the numbers, they are big and brave kicking ass hoping nobody catches them on camera.

Cop situations are isolated so getting away with it is hoping there isn't a random guy or security cam nearby.

Mobs are different. Power in numbers always works and getting away with it involves hoping the big clusterfuck of people prevents people with cell phones getting a clear shot of you as you can blend in the crowd. Depending on the recording there might not be a good clear shot of you if there's 100s of other all swarming.

When either side weak with numbers, they shrink into powerless and cowardly people. As that dead cop dragged away showed, the Capitol Hill cops even left one of their own to be swallowed up.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This is the problem with mob mentality, regardless of ideology. People get caught up in the moment and will follow the crowd out of instinct.

Most of the time it won't lead to anything serious, but at other times...you'll get stuff like this (or worse) and someone will die.

Totally.

Mob mentality gets people amped up and many can't control themselves. And I'm sure each one of them also has some subconscious levels of "I can probably get away with it because I'll blend in with 10,000 other people"

It's like sports parades after a team wins.

Most people are good people, but you're going to get those couple hundred people stampeding, maybe trashing a store or setting a car on fire parked on the street, I don't think in every day life, these guys are thinking about rolling over cars or setting garbage bins on fire, but at that moment of time when people are going nuts and drugged up and drunk, dumb shit can happen.

That's the issue with mobs.

 

[LarknThe4th]

Yeah a pretty sick day all over, dont know what's worse the pile of bodies that came out of it or the rights continued lack of accountability, it's always someone elses fault

They need to get over that if they ever want to represent the majority of their country again lest they become a fringe part of political and social discourse in America

 

[ManofOne]

Trump is not a conservative.

 

[Slurmer]

I honestly didn’t know he condemned them that fast TBH. I see a lot of posters here claiming he took forever to. But overall there was a lot of bullshit cheerleading all summer from everyone else.

A lot of people that post here are literally retarded and get most of their news + talking points from /pol and td.w

 

[DaleinCalgary]

This is the shittiest take I’ve read here in a long while.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone else.

 

[OSC]

And yet you guys were still willingly part of the nutjob movement that led to this.

The Trump movement is not about Trump but about America. It will continue with or without Trump.

If these people managed to get into the chambers or to find any unprotected staff or politicians... thank god for people like this officer. Legit hero .



Lots of layers to it. the police were obviously scarred, overwhelmed, it was chaotic. Seems like some police or off duty police helped out the rioters. Then on top of that they were massively understaffed (leadership must be held accountable). Then on top of that the president refused to send the NG and was apparently ‘delighted’ by what he saw unfolding.

I hope the police had cams and those responsible can be identified and held accountable.

Says he did it a lot quicker than that here:

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-joe-biden-condemned-164501432.html

On May 29, he told CNN that people “have a right to be, in fact, angry and frustrated. And more violence, hurting more people, isn’t going to answer the question."

On May 31, he wrote in a statement on Medium that protesting police brutality is “right and necessary” and “an utterly American response."

“But burning down communities and needless destruction is not,” Biden wrote. “Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

On June 2, in a speech in Philadelphia, recorded by ABC News, Biden said there is "no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses."

"We need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction," he said.

On July 28, in a speech in Wilmington, Delaware, he echoed that sentiment, per C-SPAN.

“Peaceful protesters should be protected – but arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted – and local law enforcement can do that," he said.

Interesting he condemned again in july. I thought he hadn't condemned again from june till august or october, but it seems he did.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone else.

Those are dehumanizing slanders from the msm propaganda.

 

[CrankyJay™]

on the flip side, I did see at least two videos of good guys in MAGA hats helping out police and journalists getting attacked. There is still some sanity.

 

[Elcid]

Jesus Christ, that's just horrific. We really need to stop being so damn divided.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I think the scariest thing for me is knowing people are capable of this that probably ( you would hope) have never committed a crime in their lives yet here are a few of them watching or participating in an officer getting beaten to death with all manner of blunt objects. What if a disaster struck food is scarce and word gets out that you have a surplus of emergency food in your home? Even an AR15 wouldn’t stop this mob.

We live in relative comfort compared to third world countries and this still happened. We’re really just monkeys with better thumbs.

I mean what if...

Humans are fucking scary when you put them on edge for extended periods of time, destroy their livlyhoods, and repeatedly call them reprehensible for trying to prosper. Add in mob mentality, and it quickly becomes a powder keg.

 

[Meicyn]

Humans are fucking scary when you put them on edge for extended periods of time, destroy their livlyhoods, and repeatedly call them reprehensible for trying to prosper. Add in mob mentality, and it quickly becomes a powder keg.

The sentiment is neat, but we had lawyers, lawmakers, and various other individuals from all walks of life fly commercial, rent hotels in the DC area which are rather expensive, invade the capital, and fly back only to be fired from their jobs.

Seems like they destroyed their own livelihoods.