• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
  • The Politics forum has been nuked. Please do not bring political discussion to the rest of the site, or you will be removed. Thanks.

Vita Will Allow Multiple PSN Accounts, Sony Says

Omikaru

Member
May 28, 2006
7,785
0
0
Compared to the previous situation, this is a minor improvement, but it's still a shit sandwich.
One I'll inevitably eat, grinning.

I guess I'll get a 32gb for my EU account, and then buy an 8gb for my US account, then a 4gb for my JP account. This is going to be so fucking expensive...
 

Stuart444

Member
Jun 29, 2010
9,467
0
645
Scotland
twitter.com
Fantastic....

"Want to use PSN with the Vita? Buy a memory card. Want to use more than one PSN account with the Vita? Buy several memory cards. Want to play a lot of big games like Uncharted? Yes you need a memory card"

Vita was going to be a day 1 purchase but now I think I'm content with sitting back and seeing how this plays out... for a while. (I've been burned with buying a 3DS day 1... not going to happen again >_> )
 

Andrefpvs

Member
May 18, 2010
8,052
0
795
Europe
twitter.com
I'm still confused (my comprehension skills aren't working today).

Can I still play games and use DLC (and earn trophies) from account 2 on account 1 if I'm logged in on account 1 with account 2's memory card?

I really hope so.

Edit: I'm looking specifically at this:

Customers will be able to swap cards to use different PSN IDs on the same system, MacKenzie said. If you have more than one memory card, you can register a different PlayStation Network account on each.

“You can also use them both on the same PSN account as well,” she said.
 

Varion

Member
May 3, 2009
2,583
0
0
England, UK
twitter.com
Better than the alternative, but still pretty shitty. Oh well, most of my purchases will be on my Japanese account, so hopefully by the time I need to get anything off one of my others the prices will have gone down and I'll just grab a low capacity one.
 

Gustav

Banned
Feb 1, 2011
8,095
0
0
I'm still confused (my comprehension skills aren't working today).

Can I still play games and use DLC (and earn trophies) from account 2 on account 1 if I'm logged in on account 1 with account 2's memory card?

I really hope so.

No confirmation yet, but everything points to NO.
 

Angelcurio

Member
Jul 18, 2006
3,190
55
1,360
Dominican Republic
I really think that the multiple accounts problem is due to the lack of internal storage of the Vita. But it still should allow multiple accounts on a single card, because the current solution would not let me play my japanese bought games on my US account.
 

Larsen B

Member
Apr 3, 2007
1,261
0
0
England
Absurd, stupid and (potentially) harmful pricing of the memory cards aside, this is actually more functional than the existing PSP method of having to activate the regional account which bought whatever content you want to use.

Hopefully changing memory cards isn't a hassle.
 

patsu

Member
Jun 19, 2005
10,336
10
1,455
I'm still confused (my comprehension skills aren't working today).

Can I still play games and use DLC (and earn trophies) from account 2 on account 1 if I'm logged in on account 1 with account 2's memory card?

I really hope so.

Probably tied to the DRM, whether the DRM restricts you to the system or user or card.
 

Robobandit

Member
Aug 11, 2005
5,200
0
0
well, I am really lazy.. if it will log me in to a particular account based on the memory card I insert into the device, I might think about it..
 

jump_button

Banned
Dec 24, 2007
5,097
0
0
Fantastic....

"Want to use PSN with the Vita? Buy a memory card. Want to use more than one PSN account with the Vita? Buy several memory cards. Want to play a lot of big games like Uncharted? Yes you need a memory card"

Vita was going to be a day 1 purchase but now I think I'm content with sitting back and seeing how this plays out... for a while. (I've been burned with buying a 3DS day 1... not going to happen again >_> )

how big is Uncharted vita save or did I miss something
 

Berksy

Member
May 14, 2011
788
0
660
It's like it's 1995 all over again.

I wonder if the third party ones will be unreliable and randomly wipe your saves from time to time.

I wonder if there will be third party ones :(

But if we keep buying memory cards they will get cheap, right? RIGHT?
 

Salaadin

Member
Apr 5, 2009
11,718
0
805
36
Pennsylvania
Ill wait it out through the JP launch and see how things go but Im leaning towards cancelling my preorder now in hope that the system or the cards will end up much cheaper in a year or so.

Theyre really draining the excitement out of me.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Apr 23, 2010
13,063
2
940
I can only assume anyone considering this a 'no buy' issue will never own the 3DS.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
Jul 14, 2009
21,129
1
0
Looks like Crystal has some more work to do. Resetting Vita to factory settings should not affect the memory card.

It says the card is tied to your Vita, probably through your PSN account. So by restoring factory defaults you'll clear PSN accounts and as a result, tied in memory cards.
 

Argyle

Member
Jun 7, 2004
3,446
0
0
me thinks that memory card prices subsidize the price of the VITA. More hooks to memory card dependance ..
It's not so different than what Apple does, the only difference is that you can't see what the "base" price of an iPad with no storage is which obscures how overpriced the memory is...and it works well for them because I don't see that much bitching about that.

Now what I really want to know is what happens if I have two memory cards with the same account...is it like Xbox Live where only one copy of your profile is valid? Can I hand a card with half of my purchases on it and lend it to a friend and tell him to turn off his internet connection while he plays one of my games? If there if a unique encryption per card, does it involve a per console key, can I swap my card into my friend's Vita and start playing?

Edit: Way to read the OP, go me...looks like two memory cards with the same account is ok...also, forgot about the activation system, so in the case where you lend the card to your friend I bet he would have to sign in once in order to activate the card with his Vita, burning one of your activations...
 

Dambrosi

Banned
Jun 7, 2004
6,734
1
0
Liverpool, UK
Hold on, guys. What's this I see?

“Your PSN ID is bonded to your memory card and your memory card is bonded to your Vita,” MacKenzie said. “So if you wanted to change different PSN users but use the same memory card, you would need to go factory reset.”

“Your PSN ID is bonded to your memory card and your memory card is bonded to your Vita,”

your memory card is bonded to your Vita

...wait, what? Is this the true white elephant in the room?

forestfortrees.jpg
 

patsu

Member
Jun 19, 2005
10,336
10
1,455
I really think that the multiple accounts problem is due to the lack of internal storage of the Vita. But it still should allow multiple accounts on a single card, because the current solution would not let me play my japanese bought games on my US account.

Yes, my guess is there is no way to keep account info externally, so when you switch account, you have to enter everything from scratch. They probably shouldn't keep your password on the memory card. It may be kept in the system itself (somewhere!). We shall see...

EDIT: Correction, I meant the password derived token would be on the card, but something in the system decrypts it.
 

InfiniteNine

Rolling Girl
Jul 22, 2009
24,134
1
0
29
Seems okay for now. I'll just have to get a card for my JP account when I end up needing to do something digital which hasn't been too often so far.
 

mclem

Member
Jan 16, 2007
42,664
4
1,190
Wait, so it means that factory reset also format memory card?

It does *appear* to imply that. Which would be bizarre.

It also appears to imply that you *have* to do a factory reset to reinitialise a memory card.

It also appears to imply that you need a memory card to even *play* online.

It also appears to imply that you need to have saves or software *on* the same memory card your account is on; if need to save and realise that your card is full midgame, you can't just swap to your other card registered to a different region to get content saved out.

It also appears to imply that you can't just loan a memory card to a friend. Understandable for games... but for *saves*?

It also raises questions about the upgrade process - both how you go about upgrading your Vita (I assume it's possible to change a memory card to be assigned to a different Vita - but I don't like the talk about factory resets) and how you go about upgrading a memory card (Where do you put the data while transferring it, since you only have one card reader? Cloud storage?)

I suspect some (most?) of these are jumping to conclusions, but still: So many questions!
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Jun 8, 2004
43,343
2
1,645
Hold on, guys. What's this I see?







...wait, what? Is this the true white elephant in the room?

forestfortrees.jpg

I think it means in the activation sense.

I would guess you activate a card to work on a vita like you do software on a PS3 or PSP. And you can tie a card to a couple of Vitas, deactivate them if they die, etc.

Probably so that in the case that people learn how to copy memory cards, you won't have instant and rampant piracy...
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
May 8, 2007
28,694
4
0
Texas
www.dolefulorange.com
how big is Uncharted vita save or did I miss something
I think he means the actual download of the full game. I think it's like 4gb.
I'm buying my games retail so I don't worry about it.

I actually think this method is kinda cool. Bring you mc to your friends vita, pop it in and voila. Its like ur in ur own vita. If it actually is that seamless
Yeah, this seems nice if so.
Pop in the card and you have your profile, saves, games, friends list.
 

DieH@rd

Banned
Dec 9, 2006
35,045
4
0
This basicly confirms that the memcards will have some military grade protection on them. I exect that they will have custom hardware for security.
 

Berksy

Member
May 14, 2011
788
0
660
Hold on, guys. What's this I see?







...wait, what? Is this the true white elephant in the room?

forestfortrees.jpg

You can reset to factory settings if you want to use your saves with a new Vita? Seems like we will be copying stuff to pc/ps3 before going that way.
 

jump_button

Banned
Dec 24, 2007
5,097
0
0
I don't know but it was confirmed that Uncharted will need a memory card and that games that require them won't start up without a memory card

but Vita game are on cards right? like 3DS why cant they put it on them?

edit-

I think he means the actual download of the full game. I think it's like 4gb.
I'm buying my games retail so I don't worry about it.

oh right I see
 

Lain

Member
Jul 24, 2004
18,141
0
1,470
Not really a good way to allow multiple accounts, but one I can begrudgingly swallow down if a card switch can let me use my 2 accounts. It just means I'll need 2 memory cards. Still wish they did it in a completely different way, a user friendly way.
 

RuGalz

Member
Jun 8, 2004
5,201
0
1,440
sounds like they will be encrypting the entire memory card to the bounded system + psn account... I guess I can buy that but will wait and see how it plays out first.
 

patsu

Member
Jun 19, 2005
10,336
10
1,455
It says the card is tied to your Vita, probably through your PSN account. So by restoring factory defaults you'll clear PSN accounts and as a result, tied in memory cards.

Yes, the card is tied to the Vita, but the contents on the card may not need to. Even if you reset to factory defaults, you should only clear the system, not the card contents. So our files should remain intact.
 

Gustav

Banned
Feb 1, 2011
8,095
0
0
It does *appear* to imply that. Which would be bizarre.

It also appears to imply that you *have* to do a factory reset to reinitialise a memory card.

It also appears to imply that you need a memory card to even *play* online.

It also appears to imply that you need to have saves or software *on* the same memory card your account is on; if need to save and realise that your card is full midgame, you can't just swap to your other card registered to a different region to get content saved out.

It also appears to imply that you can't just loan a memory card to a friend. Understandable for games... but for *saves*?

It also raises questions about the upgrade process - both how you go about upgrading your Vita (I assume it's possible to change a memory card to be assigned to a different Vita - but I don't like the talk about factory resets) and how you go about upgrading a memory card (Where do you put the data while transferring it, since you only have one card reader? Cloud storage?)

I suspect some of these are jumping to conclusions, but still: So many questions!


The weird thing about this is: There was a guy here on the boards that wanted to test his own account on the Vita while they were shown at the recent US mall tour. I don't remember if he did or if he just asked to use his account but the Sony guy at the show apparently said that it was no problem but that it would take some time, because he would have to reset the system to factory setting in order to use a different account. Now, I doubt the Sony guy would ever let anyone reset the device if it would delete all the demos off of it.
 

Loonz

Member
Jan 6, 2006
703
0
1,385
Salamanca, Spain
The Vita is just a ploy to sell memory cards.

Sadly, at this point, this is what it seems. Absolutely everything about Vita looks devised to make you purchase a collection of memory cards, which by itself wouldn't be a terrible problem... if they weren't so damned overpriced for what they are.

It's unfortunate that Sony have to turn to screw their users so ludicrously to get some extra money from the device. This fuck-up with the memory cards it's the only thing that keeps me away from getting a Vita launch-day... well, that and the lack of more time for another console in my current life.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
May 8, 2007
28,694
4
0
Texas
www.dolefulorange.com
The weird thing about this is: There was a guy here on the boards that wanted to test his own account on the Vita while they were shown at the recent US mall tour. I don't remember if he did or if he just asked to use his account but the Sony guy at the show apparently said that it was no problem but that it would take some time, because he would have to reset the system to factory setting in order to use a different account. Now, I doubt the Sony guy would ever let anyone reset the device if it would delete all the demos off of it.
There were no memory cards in the units at the mall.
The game demos were on actual Vita carts with handwritten stickers on them.
I pulled one out. :)

But yeah, I don't think formatting erases the card contents. Just deactivates the rights so you can't access it.
Once you reactivate with the original account, I would imagine it's all available again.

All speculation until later this month though.