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Vox reporter pushing for another Youtube Adpocolypse, over a channel that is already almost entirely demonetized.

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For me personally, it was when a good friend of mine came out. I couldn't believe all the stupid jokes and things that I said that really hurt his feelings. He didn't think he was normal, or even a good person for being gay and that weighed on me.

I don't want to hurt people. Why do you?
When I came out, watching calling things "gay" fall out of my friend circle was something weird and amazing to watch. They respected me enough to change their hurtful language without me even having to tell them to. To this day, we've never had a convo about it.
I'm not admitting anything. I asked 2 simple questions.



What gives you the right to play morality police? If so, is it because you're gay? You can censor and deplatform anyone who you decide you don't like now?
Where have I said I want to censor or deplatform this man? Please quote it, I'll wait. I just think he's a shitty person.
 
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When I came out, watching calling things "gay" fall out of my friend circle was something weird and amazing to watch. They respected me enough to change their hurtful language without me even having to tell them to. To this day, we've never had a convo about it.
That's amazing. I can't imagine how it would be hearing people make jokes like this then tell you to just laugh it off.
 

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Thank you for bringing the subject back to the actual one.

"Slippery slope" is a common fallacy used in debates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
Slippery slope is only a fallacy if I am presuming an event in the future will happen based on current events.

However, looking into the past and drawing comparisons between current events is something else entirely.

But I do love catching Google-intellectuals whose understanding of the term is only surface-deep. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

No where have I stated he should be silenced or demonetized. If there is an audience there, sure, make them bills.

Just think he's an awful person.
And that's exactly what I said in my post: go ahead and be offended and speak out about your interpretation, but unless you want to offer an explanation as to why "fig" is offensive and "cheetoh" isn't, then you can shove it. Comedians say offensive things all the time, often to prove a point.

Saying "fig" (yes, an obvious dig against homosexuality) is offensive, and it is proving a point: you can't joke about homosexuality, but you can joke about "straight white male" or "cheetoh president" or whatever. The point is that people are being awfully selective in what offends them. Comedy often rips these contradictions wide open while being offensive about it. The joke might be offensive to you, but it's not wrong.

This Che t-shirt wearing, saltbae-loving generation is under the false belief that words have immutable meanings, and if any person uses any word, they are guilty of that word's immutable meaning. Playing around with this structure of language is the realm of the ideologues, after all! How dare thee.

So when someone says "socialism is for figs" on a Che shirt, they're taking the piss. They're daring you to be offended, because it's so absurd.

The point isn't to clutch your pearls and to say "my! The way you exposed the truth was highly offensive", but to perhaps reflect on what the message is.
 
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For me personally, it was when a good friend of mine came out. I couldn't believe all the stupid jokes and things that I said that really hurt his feelings. He didn't think he was normal, or even a good person for being gay and that weighed on me.

I don't want to hurt people. Why do you?
I don't believe for a second that shirt has hurt anyone, and if you want to change the jokes you say, I don't care but that is on you. It has nothing to do with me. Don't pretend that you crying about jokes is protecting anyone

I don't know your "friend". I don't owe your friend a damn thing, but I should temper what I say because I might hurt his feelings? I should hold back jokes or bite my tongue because he is part of a protected class now? Is this how the world works now. We all walk on eggshells because a stranger somewhere might feel someway?
 

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Thank you for bringing the subject back to the actual one.
You don't get to act magnanimous and superior when you jump into a 250+ comment thread with a hot take of:
The attacks on Conner here are crazy, holy cow. Y'all putting words in his mouth.
You come in with a dishonest and inaccurate hot-take, it backfires on you because you don't get the reaction you assume you are owed and you set about working as hard as you can to either be outraged or to act as if someone has wronged you.

And, as we both know, this is far from the first time you've tried this sort of thing.

Your hot-take consists of claiming somone is being "attacked."
Nobody is being attacked. They are voluntarily participating in a discussion. Asserting 'attack' is emotive wordplay to make your hot-take that much hotter.

Your hot-take consists of an expression of disbelief.
This is more emotive wordplay. It says nothing constructive but paints a theatrical picture because you don't have the desire to use substance. You're here to deliver a hot-take, not to engage.

Your hot-take consists of a lie.
Nobody is putting words in Connor's mouth. Neither literally or figuratively. They are quoting and discussing with him.
That's not good enough for you, so you have to distort. As you're delivering a hot-take it doesn't need to be accurate, after all.
Though there is irony in that both you and the person you attempt to speak up for are both guilty of fabricating words on t-shirts in order to be upset about them.

Carlos would be proud.
 
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Slippery slope is only a fallacy if I am presuming an event in the future will happen based on current events.

However, looking into the past and drawing comparisons between current events is something else entirely.

But I do love catching Google-intellectuals whose understanding of the term is only surface-deep. :messenger_tears_of_joy:


And that's exactly what I said in my post: go ahead and be offended and speak out about your interpretation, but unless you want to offer an explanation as to why "fig" is offensive and "cheetoh" isn't, then you can shove it. Comedians say offensive things all the time, often to prove a point.

Saying "fig" (yes, an obvious dig against homosexuality) is offensive, and it is proving a point: you can't joke about homosexuality, but you can joke about "straight white male" or "cheetoh president" or whatever. The point is that people are being awfully selective in what offends them. Comedy often rips these contradictions wide open while being offensive about it. The joke might be offensive to you, but it's not wrong.

This Che t-shirt wearing, saltbae-loving generation is under the false belief that words have immutable meanings, and if any person uses any word, they are guilty of that word's immutable meaning. Playing around with this structure of language is the realm of the ideologues, after all! How dare thee.

So when someone says "socialism is for figs" on a Che shirt, they're taking the piss. They're daring you to be offended, because it's so absurd.

The point isn't to clutch your pearls and to say "my! The way you exposed the truth was highly offensive", but to perhaps reflect on what the message is.
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Oh honey, if you don't think I mock the gays...

But you're somehow, as a non-democrat I assume, trying to make this about Trump?

This is about a shirt with a limp wrist next to the phrase "F*gs".

Please quit pivoting and defend the shirt or shut up, to be frank.
 

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If you have to go around speaking derogatively towards homosexuals, we already know what kind of person you are. Don't bother changing.
What type of person am I Connor? Someone who isn't two-face? Someone who isn't a massive fucking hypocrite?

Everyone wants to be a smartass comedian, until they feel a joke bite them back
 

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You don't get to act magnanimous and superior when you jump into a 250+ comment thread with a hot take of:

You come in with a dishonest and inaccurate hot-take, it backfires on you because you don't get the reaction you assume you are owed and you set about working as hard as you can to either be outraged or to act as if someone has wronged you.

And, as we both know, this is far from the first time you've tried this sort of thing.

Your hot-take consists of claiming somone is being "attacked."
Nobody is being attacked. They are voluntarily participating in a discussion. Asserting 'attack' is emotive wordplay to make your hot-take that much hotter.

Your hot-take consists of an expression of disbelief.
This is more emotive wordplay. It says nothing constructive but paints a theatrical picture because you don't have the desire to use substance. You're here to deliver a hot-take, not to engage.

Your hot-take consists of a lie.
Nobody is putting words in Connor's mouth. Neither literally or figuratively. They are quoting and discussing with him.
That's not good enough for you, so you have to distort. As you're delivering a hot-take it doesn't need to be accurate, after all.
Though there is irony in that both you and the person you attempt to speak up for are both guilty of fabricating words on t-shirts in order to be upset about them.

Carlos would be proud.
I'm debating a shirt, you extrapolating meaning further just shows your own bias and agenda.
 

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I guess until you actually talk to a gay person and see how these sort of things affect them, you won't know the impact.
You assume to speak for the mentality of a lot of people.
And assume that nobody here might already have done as you so confidently assume and had a response other than the groupthink you feel you have the authority to espouse.

Now that is a pretty offensive train of thought.
 
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Oh honey, if you don't think I mock the gays...

But you're somehow, as a non-democrat I assume, trying to make this about Trump?

This is about a shirt with a limp wrist next to the phrase "F*gs".

Please quit pivoting and defend the shirt or shut up, to be frank.

To me the shirt is mocking the thin skinned portion of the LGBT community that is leading the charge against the "fascist, Nazi regime". Obviously he changed the letter to a fig to prove that even when you don't actually say something, you will be accused of it. It worked.
 
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I'm debating a shirt, you extrapolating meaning further just shows your own bias and agenda.
You came in with a hot take and with distortions and interpretations.
They blew up in your face.
Now you're trying to damage control because you haven't got proper answers for the counterpoints raised.
Outrage and victim-play haven't worked, so you're now onto deflection.

Tell me, and be honest, are you Carlos?
 
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You're kind of an ignorant homophobe. Do you feel the same way about black people? Do you go around calling them the n-word or other derogatory names and say it's them who are being touchy?

I doubt you do. Hell, I doubt you talk like this to anybody in real life.
I'm a homophobe because I'm not crying over a shirt? I'm not offended enough to your liking, so clearly this is evidence I hate all gays.

It's amazing that your oh so small yet empathetic brain can't wrap around the idea that you can both find that shirt non-offensive and still not be running around calling people fags? Oh my God I know this is a shock to you. You might want to sit down.

Any other words you want to call me. You already called me homophobe, implied I'm a racist who despises blacks(despite the fact I am black but.....I digress). Or maybe you just do the typical leftists thing is call me a Nazi or whatever
 
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You assume to speak for the mentality of a lot of people.
And assume that nobody here might already have done as you so confidently assume and had a response other than the groupthink you feel you have the authority to espouse.

Now that is a pretty offensive train of thought.
I'm glad I have you to tell me what I should be offended by.


Oh honey, if you don't think I mock the gays...

But you're somehow, as a non-democrat I assume, trying to make this about Trump?

This is about a shirt with a limp wrist next to the phrase "F*gs".

Please quit pivoting and defend the shirt or shut up, to be frank.
You don't see a subsect of LGBT finding limp wrist and f*g wrong?!

Hahah, yeah there is. Still cracks me up.
You can kindly go f*** yourself. Asterisk are up for interpretation.
To me the shirt is mocking the thin skinned portion of the LGBT community that is leading the charge against the "fascist, Nazi regime". Obviously he changed the letter to a fig to prove that even when you don't actually say something, you will be accused of it. It worked.
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Boogie is so fucking dumb.

"Vox's plan was to bring down youtube". Fucking lol.
It depends what you think YouTube is. Is YouTube just the site itself? Or is it the utility of it to affect change?

This Che t-shirt wearing, saltbae-loving generation is under the false belief that words have immutable meanings, and if any person uses any word, they are guilty of that word's immutable meaning. Playing around with this structure of language is the realm of the ideologues, after all! How dare thee.
I think, more accurately, words as they use them are immutable. As we use words, they are subject to change to benefit their argument.
 
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When I came out, watching calling things "gay" fall out of my friend circle was something weird and amazing to watch. They respected me enough to change their hurtful language without me even having to tell them to. To this day, we've never had a convo about it.

Where have I said I want to censor or deplatform this man? Please quote it, I'll wait. I just think he's a shitty person.
I had a buddy who I found out later on was gay and I remember telling him about a scuffle I had been in at a party and I repeated to him what I told the dude at the party that if he could take a dick he could take a joke, well I remember my buddy giving me a weird look.. well like 7 years later I find out my big 6'3 buddy who had many girlfriends was gay.. I still kinda feel cringey about that.

edit -- I don't know why I shared this story lolllll
 
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Oh honey, if you don't think I mock the gays...
:pie_thinking:

But you're somehow, as a non-democrat I assume, trying to make this about Trump?


This is about a shirt with a limp wrist next to the phrase "F*gs".


Please quit pivoting and defend the shirt or shut up, to be frank.


Excuse me?

Projection: The Post.

1. I don't care either way if you "mock gays", though that seems rather offensive and kind of hypocritical. How you sussed that out of my post is beyond my comprehension. Please explain what you mean by this statement.

2. I am not making it about Trump. I am drawing a comparison to prove a point. Does being a "non-Democrat I assume" somehow reflect badly on how much my opinion is worth? Are you already trying to poison the well and salt the fields already in this conversation that I'm sure you're engaging with in good faith?

3. It's about a joke that people found offensive, amidst a sweeping corporate censorship spree. Oh no, but I find the term highly offensive. Good! Perhaps it will draw your attention to the larger threatening issue implied in the joke. It is almost as if comedy is tailored for exactly such transactions.

4. Nice meltdown. spiderman_takingpic.jpg
 

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I guess until you actually talk to a gay person and see how these sort of things affect them, you won't know the impact.
See this is where I feel like I can't win with you guys.

I don't want to go down the "I have friends and family who are gay" route because it feels so predictable and usually doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Rest assured that your assumption that I do not know anyone or have never talked to anyone who is gay is incorrect.
We'll leave it at that, yeah.

I'd be somewhat disappointed if any of them were offended by anything as tame as this T-Shirt.

Surely even mainstream comedy media has edgier "gay jokes" that this fucking T-shirt?
 

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I had a buddy who I found out later on was gay and I remember telling him about a scuffle I had been in at a party and I repeated to him what I told the dude at the party that if he could take a dick he could take a joke, well I remember my buddy giving me a weird look.. well like 7 years later I find out my big 6'3 buddy who had many girlfriends was gay.. I still kinda feel cringey about that.

edit -- I don't know why I shared this story lolllll
It's ok, we all have stories like this and don't think of it anymore :D
 
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I'm glad I have you to tell me what I should be offended by.
For someone that came in hot-taking distress about putting words in someone's mouth, you sure like to put words in someone's mouth.

Do you have anything other than distortion, victim-play, outrage and deflection to offer?
 

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And that's probably why they hide their disappointment from you. Duh. That's usually the way it works.
I'm a gay far left liberal libby, married to a gay Trump supporter.

You have given me faith in discourse here tonight Conner
For someone that came in hot-taking distress about putting words in someone's mouth, you sure like to put words in someone's mouth.

Do you have anything other than distortion, victim-play, outrage and deflection to offer?
Have you made a point yet?
 
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Connor and shy make a cute couple
He wishes ;P
I'm not gay, but thank you. That certainly does not offend me. Perhaps someday you'll meet somebody.
Awwww, maybe nevermind. :p
Yes. You've danced around them and relied on deflection, victim-play, outrage and distortion.

(You've just used deflection FYI).
Sorry, I struggle to take when you're trying to ask real question or just "asking questions" in a thread.
 
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I'm glad I have you to tell me what I should be offended by.




You don't see a subsect of LGBT finding limp wrist and f*g wrong?!


You can kindly go f*** yourself. Asterisk are up for interpretation.
To me the shirt is mocking the thin skinned portion of the LGBT community that is leading the charge against the "fascist, Nazi regime". Obviously he changed the letter to a fig to prove that even when you don't actually say something, you will be accused of it. It worked.
I'm not sure why the format of your post is so messed up but I am assuming you're telling me to fuck off for my interpretation of the shirt. ORANGE MAN BAD it is I guess.
 

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Thank you, I shall go fork myself then.
Sorry to tell you but "f***" can only mean "fake".
This fallacious dismissal of your entire existence is unacceptable and outrage is due.
If you don't wish to be outraged than be sure to let me know - I'll be outraged on your behalf.
 
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Would you tolerate quasi-racist statements on a t-shirt from your friends?
Depends on the joke. If it's funny or has a accurate point. Sure why not. I tell "offensive jokes" about black people.

I also have made jokes about whites and Hispanics. Even a gay guy has felt the wrath of my humour. Clearly I am the worlds worst person 🙄
 

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I'm not sure why the format of your post is so messed up but I am assuming you're telling me to fuck off for my interpretation of the shirt. ORANGE MAN BAD it is I guess.
....You resort to "Orange Man Bad" at something you don't understand. That says more about you than me.
 

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Sorry, I struggle to take when you're trying to ask real question or just "asking questions" in a thread.
You know, I pointed out your catch-22 a number of posts back. It looks like you've gone with the first option and are now just stinking up the thread for the hell of it.

Perhaps, one day, you'll enter a thread with something better than a hot-take.
Today was not that day.
 

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You know, I pointed out your catch-22 a number of posts back. It looks like you've gone with the first option and are now just stinking up the thread for the hell of it.

Perhaps, one day, you'll enter a thread with something better than a hot-take.
Today was not that day.
I'm still waiting for you to make an actual point in threads.
 
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Depends on the joke.
I saw a guy wearing a shirt that said something about having a black man in his family tree. No kidding. It was at a Brewer game. He had a few buddies with him and security made him take it off. He tried the same 'it doesn't mean what you think it means' BS as I see here.

Would that fly with you?
 
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The shirt is anti-social. If you wear it in public people are going to think negative things about you. The bigots (there are plenty) and In-groups (in on the origin of the shirt, albeit the extreme minrotiy) will like it though, no one else.
 
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I saw a guy wearing a shirt that said something about having a black man in his family tree. No kidding. It was at a Brewer game. He had a few buddies with him and security made him take it off. He tried the same 'it doesn't mean what you think it means' BS as I see here.

Would that fly with you?
Do you only read the first sentence of my post before jumping to reply?

I'm guessing the shirt said nigger or something? I don't care. If white trash want to be white trash that is on them. I find it interesting that you think I'm going to completely throw away my principles because "well now it's a black guy".

Like I said, if the joke is funny or insightful I don't care. Context kinda matters
 
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Do you only read the first sentence of my post before jumping to reply?

I'm guessing the shirt said nigger or something? I don't care. If white trash want to be white trash that is on them. I find it interesting that you think I'm going to completely throw away my principles because "well now it's a black guy".

Like I said, if the joke is funny or insightful I don't care. Context kinda matters
...and you're blissfully ignoring all conext in this shirt
 

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The shirt is anti-social. If you wear it in public people are going to think negative things about you. The bigots and In-groups (in on the origin of the shirt, albeit the extreme minrotiy) will like it though, no one else.
Than let them think that.
...and you're blissfully ignoring all conext in this shirt
Not at all. By the way, you still didn't answer my questions.
 
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So we're in agreement then
Yep, we're in agreement that there's a fragile portion of the LGBT community that is also Socialist.

The shirt is anti-social. If you wear it in public people are going to think negative things about you. The bigots (there are plenty) and In-groups (in on the origin of the shirt, albeit the extreme minrotiy) will like it though, no one else.
I'd never be caught dead in a shirt like this but that's because t-shirt activism is even lazier and dumber than bumper sticker activism.
 
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