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[AntraxSuicide]

And not sending him to literally the only "family" that dear old dad had left.

Good the prequels have gaping plot holes

Real talk though, the Darth Vader comic, the newest one, is 🔥🔥🔥🔥

That point comes up a lot (about Owen and Beru), but there's no point to killing them. Obi-Wan likely lied to them and said that Vader killed Anakin, same as he told Luke. And most people don't know who Vader is anyway. He only did two jobs as Vader before getting burned, and there were no survivors of either job. But if Vader randomly fucks with some moisture farmers on a backwater planet, people would wonder why. Vader gains nothing by ever going back to Tatooine.

 

[Fury451]

No because George Lucas made the story up as the trilogy went along.

Pretty much. It worked out in a happy accident kind of way in this case, but it doesn't explain why Leah is suddenly cool with finding out that her father was the one causing untold terror across the galaxy.

Also that whole "siblings making out" thing.

 

[Phamit]

Isn't he or the Imperator saying in rotj that Lukes feeling revealed that Leia is his sister?

 

[AntraxSuicide]

I have no problem with Lucas making stuff up as he went along, but Vader being called Vader is such a big giveaway/coincidence that it would be a larger leap of faith to think he actually never planned it, imo.

Not quite. "Dark Father" just fits with Vader's priest role in the first movie. Notice how at that point, most of the military officers don't really respect Vader. He's a weird mystic that the Emperor keeps around. He fits into the idea that Hitler was super into occult stuff and Vader is the occultist. Think of him without the future films; Vader doesn't seem to have a large command under him.

That emperor stuff doesn't even make sense though. Like, Tarkin said the Emperor disbanded the entire Galactic senate, and even the Imperial commanders on the Death Star were shocked. I'm not sure how him being a powerless figurehead works into that.

This fits with what we see in the prequels. Palpatine has a ton of bureaucrats around him, and they constantly pipe up with suggestions that Palpatine himself wants. So one could see how you'd get that vibe looking in. Especially since we even saw Chancellor Valorum get primaried.

For years i had to me that Jedis just died like Obi Wan did. Disappear.

Yoda also disappears, right?

Yet i was watching all the movies in sequence and the end of episode III (i bet you all talked about this for years) yoda tells Obi Wan about Qui Gon being "alive" somehow

And then when vader strikes Obi Wan he disappear... and vader seems quite puzzled about it, stepping on Obi Wan robe

And the there´s the talk about

Spoiler

Obi Wan being alive for more new movies that made the rounds a few weeks back

This is because the Jedi had lost their way. Qui-Gon finds true balance with the Force on his own (mostly by shirking the Jedi Code, which had become too rigid and pious). Then he teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan how to join him.

Which is such BS by the way. Let's assume for one second that this technologically advanced society doesn't have something similar to our ultrasound equipment to monitor a baby and notice that two were in the womb. But even if you ignore that, Anakin is a Jedi! He can feel the force, it flows through all living beings (i.e. the Skywalker twins in Padme's womb). That he can't sense two children inside Padme is nuts!

I've loved Star Wars since I was a kid, but sometimes it is the dumbest friggin' thing on the face of the Earth.

A lot of people keep it a secret. Like not knowing the sex of the fetus.

 

[Levito]

As people said, this stuff was made up as time went along.


I always thought it was silly that Owen, Beru and Obi-wan in 20 years time look like they've aged 35 years or more rather than 20.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

No because any inkling of force doesn't awake on either of the kids until they meet Obi Wan. He sparks the curiosity and force in them.

Tell that to the womp rats.

Well I mean, Anakin is pretty much the Force incarnate.

Force sensitivity comes before training, the Jedi were drawn to force sensitive kids. In the old Republic, they knew they existed and sought them out. Training obviously came later.

 

[Zushin]

As people said, this stuff was made up as time went along.


I always thought it was silly that Owen, Beru and Obi-wan in 20 years time look like they've aged 35 years or more rather than 20.

Hey, you try moisture farming for 20 years and see what you look like!

 

[Cuningas de Häme]

Originally she wasn't going to be his daughter. But for the sake of the topic:

No, he didn't know at that time.
He comes to that conclusion only in ROTJ when speaking with Luke during their fight.

Leia learns she is his daughter once Luke reveals to her that she is his sister, in ROTJ. She explains that she somehow always knew, though. Which is most likely just her sensing this through the Force.

Nah, it was that kiss. Like kissing yourself, blergh.

 

[Levito]

Hey, you try moisture farming for 20 years and see what you look like!

I've heard that the in-universe explanation for this is "Tattoine is hot and you age faster as a result" heh.

 

[foxuzamaki]

I realized these threads always try to shit on things in the sw movies that are already answered but you still have people coming in with their best Lucas insult

 

[Robot Pants]

Vader doesn't know Leia is his daughter until he reads Luke's mind in RotJ

Thought this was pretty obvious

 

[DiipuSurotu]

What's also strange is how did the Emperor not realize who Leia is even though he rules over the Senate and she is a Senator (and Princess of a planet). Surely they've met before.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Hahaha that is so fucking wrong.

 

[davepoobond]

Because Lucas had to name the main character after himself.

Luke S.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[spekkeh]

Not quite. "Dark Father" just fits with Vader's priest role in the first movie. Notice how at that point, most of the military officers don't really respect Vader. He's a weird mystic that the Emperor keeps around. He fits into the idea that Hitler was super into occult stuff and Vader is the occultist. Think of him without the future films; Vader doesn't seem to have a large command under him.

I guess that's an explanation that works, but saying he's like a priest is still more of a stretch than saying he's, you know, an actual father. So Occam's razor to me would still give the benefit of the doubt to Lucas that he intended Darth to be at least someone's father.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Because Lucas had to name the main character after himself.

Luke S.

Jeffrey Jacob Abrams

 

[Adam_Vania]

No because George Lucas made the story up as the trilogy went along.

this pretty much covers just about every question asked of Star Wars. it is funny to see people bend over backwards to retcon things but ultimately it's hopeless and imo best to see them all as existing in cinematic different universes:

ANH - Star Wars
Empire - a little more expanded Star Wars
Jedi - oh yeah this whole thing is a soap opera about Luke & dad
Prequels - nvmd the whole thing is about Anakin
Disney movies - this prequel to a movie that already has 3 prequels is a "stand alone film"

 

[autumnleaf]

Luke didn't know he was Vader's son - and the Emperor gave no hint that he was beforehand - but Vader seemingly figured it out for himself in the middle of their fight. Although the Force isn't good for revealing the location of rebel bases (which would've made for a very short movie), it doesn't make sense that Vader would've been able to sense his relation to Luke and yet not sense his relation to Leia until reading Luke's thoughts despite spending more time with her.

Vader doesn't figure out Luke is his son during the lightsaber fight..

He knows prior to ESB, that is why he is obsessed with finding Luke from the beginning, he doesn't probe it from his mind.

 

[ZOONAMI]

What's also strange is how did the Emperor not realize who Leia is even though he rules over the Senate and she is a Senator (and Princess of a planet). Surely they've met before.

There actually is pretty solid evidence from that sky walker site that Vader knew Leia was his daughter before ANH.

This site: http://ammonra.org/skywalkerparadigm/a_leiaknew_anh_comp.html

I mean if Lucas has said he didn't even know that leia was vaders daughter then yeah this is all just speculation that happens to line up pretty well.

I haven't seen rogue one yet so I don't know how well that plays into it but it honestly doesn't matter because it isn't Lucas.

And Vader reading Luke could have just been letting Luke know 100% what he had been suspecting, and that Leia was already trending to the "dark" side.

Would be cool if maybe we get a little more leia back story in another stand alone film with leia recast. Maybe she had a badass red saber period we don't even know about.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

No because any inkling of force doesn't awake on either of the kids until they meet Obi Wan. He sparks the curiosity and force in them.

Well... Leia NEVER meets Obi Wan though.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Well... Leia NEVER meets Obi Wan though.

Leia be chilling with Vader and the emperor on the regular.

 

[HStallion]

I'm still waiting to hear an answer to what kind of dick Chewbacca has under his carpet of fur but Lucas won't answer me.

 

[The Horror the horror]

It always bothered me that Vader referred to her as Luke's sister and not his daughter. And the way he virtually foamed at the mouth from the possibility of corrupting her stood at odds with the development of his own inner conflict.

 

[Randam]

Spoiler

He watched the ship leave after carving through that hallway of rebel forces. He knows that ship is with the rebels and she's on the ship so he knew she was full of it.

how did he knew she was on the ship?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Well... Leia NEVER meets Obi Wan though.

Actually Obi-Wan is literally the first person Leia meets after Padmé.

 

[gabbo]

Hahaha that is so fucking wrong.

Yet very much in line with the porn parody

 

[Dirca]

I've always wondered if the Imperial there with Vader knew who he was talking to the way he was mouthing off and being a bit disrespectful

 

[Oozer3993]

Vader being Anakin (originally Annikin) Skywalker was not added definitively until after the first draft of Empire Strikes Back. Even in the first draft, they are different people. But funnily enough, there is evidence Lucas may have been toying with the idea before then. In late 1978, during a promotional tour, David Prowse, the actor in the Darth Vader costume, told an audience that Darth would be revealed to be Luke's father. Two years before the movie came out and just months after the fact had been added to the second draft. Either George was keeping the second stringers really up to date on the writing process, or, during one of the numerous breaks in filming A New Hope when he would regale the actors with tales from the universe, George through the "Darth = Anakin" idea out there.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Luke didn't know he was Vader's son - and the Emperor gave no hint that he was beforehand - but Vader seemingly figured it out for himself in the middle of their fight. Although the Force isn't good for revealing the location of rebel bases (which would've made for a very short movie), it doesn't make sense that Vader would've been able to sense his relation to Luke and yet not sense his relation to Leia until reading Luke's thoughts despite spending more time with her.

Vader doesn't figure out Luke is his son during the lightsaber fight..

He knows prior to ESB, that is why he is obsessed with finding Luke from the beginning, he doesn't probe it from his mind.

It was actually the Emperor that told him during ESB. As a refresher:

Darth Vader: [kneeling before Emperor Palpatine's hologram] What is thy bidding, my master?

Emperor Palpatine: There is a great disturbance in the Force.

Darth Vader: I have felt it.

Emperor Palpatine: We have a new enemy. The young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.

Darth Vader: How is that possible?

Emperor Palpatine: Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You will know it to be true. He could destroy us.

 

[Randam]

No because George Lucas made the story up as the trilogy went along.

The OT still fits together pretty good.

Really like to know if Lucas knew a lot of stuff in the PT didn't fit in with the OT, but didn't care, because he just wanted to tell the story like this.

 

[Adam_Vania]

It was actually the Emperor that told him during ESB. As a refresher:

this is the retcon new Emperor dialog they put into Empire after making the prequels. originally he didn't mention Anakin.

 

[OldMan]

In the first film, Vader was just some really cool looking bad guy. No one had even considered he was Leia's father. The simplicity of the plot is why I like ANH the best. It was a perfect standalone film that involved an evil empire, space samurai's, a nazi general, a princess with plans for a giant death weapon, and a kid from the boonies who ends up a war hero.

This post can't just be glossed over in the grand scheme of Star Wars threads GAF has.

 

[autumnleaf]

It was actually the Emperor that told him during ESB. As a refresher:

He already knows before that, he's acting ignorant to pretend he hasn't been obsessively looking for his son. Its right there in the opening crawl, "Obsessed with finding young Skywalker". He wants to find Luke and have them join together to destroy the Emperor, that's never changed.

 

[bengraven]

Vader doesn't know Leia is his daughter until he reads Luke's mind in RotJ

Does he? Because he just says "seester! You haffa seester ". Considering his interactions with Leia you would think he would say more like "the princess? Nooooooo"

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Jeffrey Jacob Abrams

HOLY SHIT!

 

[mrklaw]

Wait a second, never mind Leia - how does Vader know Luke is his son if he thinks his child died?

 

[autumnleaf]

Wait a second, never mind Leia - how does Vader know Luke is his son if he thinks his child died?

Well it's never depicted on film so we can't know for sure but he pieces it together between ANH and ESB. In the books or comics he tortures a captured rebel, finds out the name of the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, finds out he came from Tatooine and Owen & Beru, his age etc..Fill in the blanks however it makes sense to you.

 

[captive]

Everyone, has anyone seen this before? It kind of relates to this thread. I stumbled on it looking into the question of this thread. What is this even about?

http://ammonra.org/skywalkerparadigm/a_leiaknew_anh_comp.html

The Skywalker paradigm?

Sometimes I think I don't think about movies as critically as I should, but then I see shit like this. This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while and I could only get to where Vader and Leia meet.

 

[The Real Abed]

Yes, they shared a past. Obi Wan trained a Jedi named Vader who went renegade. That's it.

Nothing about Vader being Luke's father or being Anakin Skywalker was planned when they filmed that movie.

Is Anakins name mentioned in ANH? Or did it come later? Or was it a SE addition?

 

[Oozer3993]

According to new canon (comic Darth Vader #6 to be specific), the answer to the thread title is "no." He was unaware he had any children until after the events of A New Hope. And even then he only became aware of Luke. He didn't know about Leia. The panels:

Is Anakins name mentioned in ANH? Or did it come later? Or was it a SE addition?

I don't think anyone says the name "Anakin" in A New Hope (any version). He's just "your father." But that name was used for Luke's father basically since the very beginning. There are early drafts of Star Wars where Luke's father is "Annikin Starkiller."

 

[L Thammy]

Does Darth Vader ever find out that his kids wanted in each others' pants?

 

[Apathy]

Rogue one spoiler:

Spoiler

If anything all he knows is shes a damn dirty liar.

Spoiler

He just saw you fly away from the ship he was onhe knows you're not on a diplomatic mission

 

[sphagnum]

According to new canon (comic Darth Vader #6 to be specific), the answer to the thread title is "no." He was unaware he had any children until after the events of A New Hope. And even then he only became aware of Luke. He didn't know about Leia. The panels:

Such a great sequence.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

According to new canon (comic Darth Vader #6 to be specific), the answer to the thread title is "no." He was unaware he had any children until after the events of A New Hope. And even then he only became aware of Luke. He didn't know about Leia. The panels:

There goes the "Obi-Wan didn't change Luke's name because "Skywalker" is a very common name in the galaxy!" theory.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

According to new canon (comic Darth Vader #6 to be specific), the answer to the thread title is "no." He was unaware he had any children until after the events of A New Hope. And even then he only became aware of Luke. He didn't know about Leia. The panels:

I don't think anyone says the name "Anakin" in A New Hope (any version). He's just "your father." But that name was used for Luke's father basically since the very beginning. There are early drafts of Star Wars where Luke's father is "Annikin Starkiller."

That is a fine comic.

It seems I need to pay attention to those.

 

[Septimus Prime]

There goes the "Obi-Wan didn't change Luke's name because "Skywalker" is a very common name in the galaxy!" theory.

"Obi-Wan didn't change Luke's name because "Skywalker" is a very common name in the galaxy! he didn't give a fuck."

New theory.

 

[Imbarkus]

Everyone, has anyone seen this before? It kind of relates to this thread. I stumbled on it looking into the question of this thread. What is this even about?

http://ammonra.org/skywalkerparadigm/a_leiaknew_anh_comp.html

The Skywalker paradigm?

I'm like a sixth of the way in and I already feel like you cursed me with some sort of memetic post-Truth Star Wars prototype mind controll...

There is no telekenesis in Star Wars.

EDIT: I give up. No way. I recommend anyone else give up, the sooner the better. Scroll through it at high speed and marvel at it. It's Ulillillia for Star Wars.