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Drama Rumor [WaPo] QAnon believers grapple with doubt, spin new theories as Trump era ends: ‘We all got played'

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"The administrator of 8kun, the longtime home of the mysterious Q, says it’s time to move on"​



Followers of the extremist ideology QAnon saw their hopes once again dashed Wednesday as President Trump left Washington on the final day of his presidency, without any of the climactic scenes of violence and salvation that the sprawling set of conspiracy theories had preached for years would come.
As Trump boarded Air Force One for his last presidential flight to Florida, many QAnon adherents — some of whom had earlier this month stormed the Capitol in a siege that left at least two QAnon devotees dead and others in jail — began to wonder whether they’d been duped all along.
When one QAnon channel on the chat app Telegram posted a new theory that suggested Biden himself was “part of the plan,” a number of followers shifted into open rebellion: “This will never happen”; “Just stfu already!” “It’s over. It is sadly, sadly over.” “What a fraud!”
But while some QAnon disciples gave way to doubt, others doubled down on blind belief or strained to see new coded messages in the Inauguration Day’s events. Some followers noted that 17 flags — Q being the 17th letter of the alphabet — flew on the stage as Trump delivered a farewell address.
“17 flags! come on now this is getting insane,” said one post on a QAnon forum devoted to the “great awakening,” the quasi-biblical name for QAnon’s utopian end times. “I don’t know how many signs has to be given to us before we ‘trust the plan,’” one commenter said.
Over thousands of cryptic posts since 2017, Q, QAnon’s unidentified online prophet, had promised that Trump was secretly spearheading a spiritual war against an elite cabal of child-eating Satanists who controlled Washington, Hollywood and the world. Believers in these false, rambling theories had counted down the hours waiting for Trump to corral his enemies for military tribunals and mass executions in a show of force they called “the Storm.”
But while some QAnon disciples gave way to doubt, others doubled down on blind belief or strained to see new coded messages in the Inauguration Day’s events. Some followers noted that 17 flags — Q being the 17th letter of the alphabet — flew on the stage as Trump delivered a farewell address.
“17 flags! come on now this is getting insane,” said one post on a QAnon forum devoted to the “great awakening,” the quasi-biblical name for QAnon’s utopian end times. “I don’t know how many signs has to be given to us before we ‘trust the plan,’” one commenter said.
Over thousands of cryptic posts since 2017, Q, QAnon’s unidentified online prophet, had promised that Trump was secretly spearheading a spiritual war against an elite cabal of child-eating Satanists who controlled Washington, Hollywood and the world. Believers in these false, rambling theories had counted down the hours waiting for Trump to corral his enemies for military tribunals and mass executions in a show of force they called “the Storm.”
Some of the most notable figures in QAnon’s online universe said they were having a change of heart. After Biden’s inauguration, Ron Watkins — the longtime administrator of QAnon’s online home, 8kun, who critics have suspected may have helped write Q’s posts himself, a charge he denies — said on Telegram that it was time to move on.
“We need to keep our chins up and go back to our lives as best we are able,” said Watkins, who in recent months had become one of the loudest backers of conspiracy theoriessuggesting Biden’s win was a fraud.
“We have a new president sworn in and it is our responsibility as citizens to respect the Constitution regardless of whether or not we agree with the specifics,” Watkins added. “As we enter into the next administration please remember all the friends and happy memories we made together over the past few years.”
But Graham Brookie, director of the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, which tracks misinformation, said QAnon followers are making increasingly illogical leaps as they struggle to make sense of developments.
“It’s something that has long been true of conspiracy theories: When they don’t come to fruition, they shift their delusions to the next thing,” he said. He noted how some comments posted below Trump’s farewell video suggested that “it wasn’t quite time for the Great Awakening, but it’s coming soon and this is how.”
Researchers said some QAnon supporters appear to be rethinking their commitment due to a range of factors, including Q’s relative silence since the election, Trump’s anticlimactic White House exit, and the Capitol insurrection, which resulted in more than 100 arrests and delayed the certification of Biden’s victory by only several hours.
But several feared that the rising intensity of those still committed to QAnon could create problems for years to come if a die-hard, militarized core persists in their belief that the U.S. government is controlled by evil pedophiles who successfully subverted the Constitution.
“What we’re seeing is a trend in increasingly bunker-down, apocalyptic language,” said Joel Finkelstein, co-founder of the Network Contagion Research Institute, a research group that studies online disinformation. “It’s gone from [talk of] a revolution to a civilization-ending kind of collapse.”
He and other researchers have also chronicled an increasingly global QAnon movement that could outlast its potential weakening in the United States as events and an aggressive crackdown by social media platforms limit the ideology’s reach among Americans. The QAnon followings in Germany and Japan are particularly strong and growing, said Finkelstein, whose research group tracked a surge in QAnon terms the morning of the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, including one that said “qarmyjapanflynn.”
“They’re going to reemerge at some point because they’ve internationalized,” he said. “There’s a metastization of QAnon from a national story to a global revolution.”
QAnon adherents had long anticipated Trump’s military strike against his foes, which they believed would play out like an action movie; the fact that Tuesday was “National Popcorn Day” on mainstream calendars seemed too perfect to be coincidence. Followers in recent days have seen coded messages everywhere: first lady Melania Trump’s black-and-gray coat, worn in her final address, was said to resemble the TV static that would signal the media blackout of Trump’s military takeover.
But on Wednesday, some promoters recognized that believers being confronted with the reality of QAnon’s baselessness were in need of encouragement. One forum offered doubters a “FAT DOSE OF HOPIUM” — their jargon, meaning reasons for hope — and urged readers to “GET IN HERE IF YOU’RE RUNNING LOW.” The thread used a nine-month-old Q post to suggest that Trump had coordinated another subtly brilliant move in his final hours in office: “He is metaphorically walking away in slow motion while the explosions go off behind him.”
One of the forum’s moderators, “God_Bless_America1,” posted a thread counseling that “POTUS has NOT let us down or failed, he has done all he could within his power and it is now going to be handing it to the military to take from here exactly as Q drop forecast.” Uncertainty, the moderator added, would not be tolerated: “ANY dooming or negative comments clogging up the site pertaining to current situation will result in removal and ban if repeated.”
Travis View, a researcher and co-host of the podcast “QAnon Anonymous,” said Inauguration Day had been seen as “a very special day in the QAnon community,” but that the responses to real-world events have been mixed.
Believers, he said, appear to be splitting between those who see Biden’s ascent to the White House as a sign that the Q’s prophecies were wrong and those who think they were right but need to be recast for a Biden administration in which Trump remains secretly powerful and able to control events unfolding in Washington.
“A minority are facing reality that Biden’s going to be president,” View said. “Others are coming to believe that the storm they were expecting is still going to happen but sometime during the Biden administration.”
The day also highlighted the deepening division between QAnon adherents and other far-right extremists, who have voiced growing doubts about Trump. A channel for the Proud Boys, an all-male extremist group prone to street fighting, said Trump had thrown Capitol rioters “under the bus” and called QAnon “a bolshevik lie.”
QAnon, as with most online creations, will likely not disappear any time soon. On Tuesday night, a small crowd of picketers rallied with signs urging “Repent or Perish” outside Comet Ping Pong, the D.C. pizzeria at the center of Pizzagate — the 2016 conspiracy theory from which QAnon was born.
View predicted that the QAnon community may shrink in the coming months but also become more fervent in their commitment to its ideas.
“History has taught us far-right movements don’t cool off during a Democratic administration,” View said. “The people who stick with it are going to become even more radicalized and potentially more dangerous.”
 

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Heh heh. Bag of fucking loons, played by multiple con men much smarter than them.

sad donald trump GIF
 
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Wait, QAnon is an "ideology" now? I thought it was a bunch of Larps? What even is the "ideology" to begin with? (I made a thread asking about that, and it was impossible to get a coherent answer, because the group in and of itself is so incoherent)
 
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Fucking lunatics, man. I don't know if we'll ever find out for sure, but I would not be surprised if the whole thing really was a big psyop to discredit populism.

Oh well, only the people who went along with it are to blame.

I've thought it was a psyop from the start.

I mean look at this shit, they have these people seeing "signs" everywhere... almost as crazy as flat-Earthers:
But while some QAnon disciples gave way to doubt, others doubled down on blind belief or strained to see new coded messages in the Inauguration Day’s events. Some followers noted that 17 flags — Q being the 17th letter of the alphabet — flew on the stage as Trump delivered a farewell address.
“17 flags! come on now this is getting insane,” said one post on a QAnon forum devoted to the “great awakening,” the quasi-biblical name for QAnon’s utopian end times. “I don’t know how many signs has to be given to us before we ‘trust the plan,’” one commenter said.
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Wait, QAnon is an "ideology" now? I thought it was a bunch of Larps? What even is the "ideology" to begin with? (I made a thread asking about that, and it was impossible to get a coherent answer, because the group in and of itself is so incoherent)

The most I've been able to assemble is that there will be an "awakening" where all the deep-state lizard pedos are exposed and Trump leads America to destroying them and then, idk we all fly up to Heaven?
 
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There are people that are close to me that really believed that Trump would stage a military coup today and arrest Obama, Hillary, and essentially any political opponent of Trump....and they were stoked for that shit too.
 

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99.99% of republicans including trump still have no fucking clue what QAnon really even is. Liberal media gave it relevance simply as a distraction from antifa violence. Bringing it up during debates instead of better questions was a farce. Shit I barely know wtf it even if at this point. It's a joke dude.
 
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99.99% of republicans including trump still have no fucking clue what QAnon really even is. Liberal media gave it relevance simply as a distraction from antifa violence. Bringing it up during debates instead of better questions was a farce. Shit I barely know wtf it even if at this point. It's a joke dude.
Yep, I still haven't heard a clear, concise and logical explanation of what Q actually is and how it's supposedly a big organized threat. If anything what happened at the Capitol was one of the most disorganized events I've ever seen.
 
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Hillary supporting liberals everywhere breathing a sigh of relief. Congrats guys.

 
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Fucking lunatics, man. I don't know if we'll ever find out for sure, but I would not be surprised if the whole thing really was a big psyop to discredit populism.

Oh well, only the people who went along with it are to blame.

It was - 8kun glows so bright I can see it all the way from the Philippines.
 

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Fucking lunatics, man. I don't know if we'll ever find out for sure, but I would not be surprised if the whole thing really was a big psyop to discredit populism.

Oh well, only the people who went along with it are to blame.

How many people actually subscribe to that "QAnon" belief anyway? Is it another one of those extremely fringe movements that the media play up as some sort of huge, creeping danger in order to scare the average voter back into the arms of the Establishment?
 
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How many people actually subscribe to that "QAnon" belief anyway? Is it another one of those extremely fringe movements that the media play up as some sort of huge, creeping danger in order to scare the average voter back into the arms of the Establishment?
Is "Q" even being actively hunted by any of the big three-letter agencies even? If they were such a big threat you'd think they'd be going after them.
 

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How many people actually subscribe to that "QAnon" belief anyway? Is it another one of those extremely fringe movements that the media play up as some sort of huge, creeping danger in order to scare the average voter back into the arms of the Establishment?

It's mostly boomers. I get texts from them all the time. I started getting this line this morning when Biden and company weren't arrested and Trump didn't come out in an anti-gravity ship to declare himself God Emperor:

According to Q rhetoric, it's now March 4th.

Edit: which makes no fucking sense

Conspiracy theorists ALWAYS move the goalposts for what will prove they are right. This got moved to March because "the US is no longer a corporation, it's a democracy again, this is all a show for now, trust the plan" :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Like I said in another topic, it's no different than the idiots who think more investigation will totally find that Trump was a Russian agent all along. Just need more time and all will be revealed! And Schiff and Roseanne's ex had the pee tape all along! Trust the IC guys!
 
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After putting up with an entire year of constant "articles" and videos of guys speaking from their trucks with sunglasses on about how the "arrests will come any day now" and how "the reptile cannibal pedophiles are going to be rounded up by the military" and how "Trump was tapped by the military to destroy the establishment" being constantly sent by people that are close to me; I am enjoying throwing it right back in their stupid fucking faces....at least for today.
 

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Q always was retard bait.

A little while back I watched a YouTube video that was about that connection


I saw it too, i have no idea if his hypothesis of people moving from one conspiracy to another is credible tho. But it's worth watching.
 
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It shows how easy people fall for things they want to believe in. This is how people get scammed in real life and those looking from the outside are in awe that they fell for the scam.

As soon as they started saying coded messages were in tweets you knew it was crazy talk. I really didn't follow it but some of the time stamp meme's were just utter nonsense.
 
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Q always was retard bait.



I saw it too, i have no idea if his hypothesis of people moving from one conspiracy to another is credible tho. But it's worth watching.
Yeh I’m not quite as sure about the direct path either since I don’t see how you would prove that as such. But it’s an interesting comparison as to how people fall down such irrational rabbit holes.
 
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I still can’t believe people went for this. I seriously thought it was all a LARP for a long time. Then I remember there are literally retards everywhere.
 
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Yeh I’m not quite as sure about the direct path either since I don’t see how you would prove that as such. But it’s an interesting comparison.

There's a lot of conspiracy crossover tho. For fucks sake is there any conspiracy left on earth that doesn't attempt to involve George Soros in it some way or another?

It reminds me of back in the day, people who believed in UFOs were likely to believe in mayan prophecies and whatnot.
 

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It’s tough because I think some of the Jeffery Epstein stuff is real. Like I think he did work with some sort of intelligence agencies to blackmail powerful people. I don’t know that for sure, obviously. However, the fact he got away with all that shit for so long, then they finally move on him and likely the single most high profile prisoner in the country manages to committing suicide after attempting it like a day before? Really? That doesn’t seem plausible to me and it never will.

But then the Q people go completely insane with it and suddenly their talking about secret pedophile wars and coded messages. I thought it was like an ARG for bored people. It’s hard to believe so many people really bought into it.
 
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They had this grand conspiracy that all of the troops were in Washington as part of a big trap in which they were going to roundup "the traitors" all in on fell swoop at the inauguration after Trump dropped Order 66, somehow believing TheDonald and 8Chan posters were all privileged to know this top secret information and be able to discuss it in their public forums without any of the targets of the so called trap knowing about it. It's just sad.
 

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It’s tough because I think some of the Jeffery Epstein stuff is real. Like I think he did work with some sort of intelligence agencies to blackmail powerful people. I don’t know that for sure, obviously. However, the fact he got away with all that shit for so long, then they finally move on him and likely the single most high profile prisoner in the country manages to committing suicide after attempting it like a day before? Really? That doesn’t seem plausible to me and it never will.

But then the Q people go completely insane with it and suddenly their talking about secret pedophile wars and coded messages. I thought it was like an ARG for bored people. It’s hard to believe so many people really bought into it.

It works better when you realise you don't think some of the Jeffrey Epstein stuff is real. You want to to believe some of the Jeffrey Epstein stuff is real. You want to believe he did work with some sort of intelligence agencies to blackmail powerful people. Our brains are pattern finding machines.

Focus on what you know.
 

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At least they've hit the realization that what they believe was bullshit. There are a lot of people out there that still haven't done that much yet.
 

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A bunch of YouTube “prophets,” some of them with hundreds of thousands of followers, also kept promising that Trump would get his second term even after he conceded, and to wait for some kind of surprise revelation on January 20th that would make it happen. Con artists preying on desperate people looking for hope.
 

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It works better when you realise you don't think some of the Jeffrey Epstein stuff is real. You want to to believe some of the Jeffrey Epstein stuff is real. You want to believe he did work with some sort of intelligence agencies to blackmail powerful people. Our brains are pattern finding machines.

Focus on what you know.
I guess what I mean is I don’t have any way of making sense of all that unless there something more to the story. How do you let that guy kill himself if he tried a couple of days before? Imagine if that happened at a hospital, much less a prison where things are supposed to even more controlled.

But all I have are my suspicions. That is true.
 

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A bunch of YouTube “prophets,” some of them with hundreds of thousands of followers, also kept promising that Trump would get his second term even after he conceded, and to wait for some kind of surprise revelation on January 20th that would make it happen. Con artists preying on desperate people looking for hope.

Yep. And if you look at the idiots who were actually stupid enough to break into the Capitol building, it seems like most of them were firm followers of QAnon.
 
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I guess what I mean is I don’t have any way of making sense of all

There's the problem.

The rest is your brain playing tricks on you. To the point it's making you believe you can figure out what happened in a room you've never been in to a person you never met trying to solve a crime which is something you've never trained for.

Makes you think eh?
 
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There's the problem.

The rest is your brain playing tricks on you. To the point it's making you believe you can figure out what happened in a room you've never been in to a person you never met trying to solve a crime which is something you've never trained for.

Makes you think eh?
Fair enough. I have spent very little time thinking about it. I have little theories but they aren’t anything I actually that much care about. See to me it’s like worrying about who killed JFK. What difference does it make to me? But I have thought about it for enough time to have a few questions. That’s literally it.
 
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Just goes to show that people are trick ass marks.

If you have questionable morals and integrity, you could make quite the living fleecing people. Just ask Televangelists.
 

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these are just people, worst cases they are stricken with mental illness

best cases they may align with subsets of sentiments of what q represented, i should hope the safer majority have steady jobs and households

not sure america should put itself in a position to start dehumanizing ashli babbitt -types without more information, not to say the capitol mayhem shouldn't be condemned
 
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*con artist sadly walking down the road kicking a can*
Con artist: Well shit. What the hell am I gonna do now to continue milking these looney toons?
*shooting star catches his eye as it briefly shines brightly*
Con artist: hmm.
 
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these are just people, worst cases they are stricken with mental illness

best cases they may align with subsets of sentiments of what q represented, i should hope the safer majority have steady jobs and households

not sure america should put itself in a position to start dehumanizing ashli babbitt -types without more information, not to say the capitol mayhem shouldn't be condemned
I have some sympathy for these people, as they have been used not only by the con artists that fed them the bullshit, but by Trump and the republican party that winked at them and played along enough to keep them voting their way. Its hard to excuse that they were all getting off on the thought of mass public executions, that they have been expecting, hoping, and praying for it. That kind of blood lust is pretty sick, and some of them will surely take things into their own hands at this point rather than facing reality.
 
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A bunch of YouTube “prophets,” some of them with hundreds of thousands of followers, also kept promising that Trump would get his second term even after he conceded, and to wait for some kind of surprise revelation on January 20th that would make it happen. Con artists preying on desperate people looking for hope.
Lin Wood was probably the biggest one of these, and it became such a train wreck to watch his theatrics descend from talking about evidence in a lawsuit, to making the most insane allegations (ex. Mike Pence the pedo), and then launching into citing religious dogma ("I am a good Christian!").
 
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I lurk a large sports forum that has a politics board with a Q Anon following. These people are simply retarded. They kind of remind me of the types that get caught up in gravitation pull of Doomsday Prophets and go through with drinking the cool aid.

Its sad really.
 
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