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WaPo:Syrian rebels feel betrayed by U.S. : "It will weaken Americas influence"
- Thread starter AcademicSaucer
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Electric Eye
Banned
Now Russia will mow them down.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Sorry you feel that way Syrian Rebels, but believe it or not there are people who want the US to stop meddling in other countries. Oh well.
Transistor
Banned
They have every right to feel betrayed.
Because they were.
Betrayed by Trump.
Fuck Trump
Because they were.
Betrayed by Trump.
Fuck Trump
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Right, because the Syrian civil war is this simple black and white issue of Trump being the evil one
Not sure you have a clue what's going on there, arming the rebels who are often extremist themselves was never the answer
TacticalHotdog
Member
It makes sense to end the rebel weapon program considering that many of the weapons just ended up in the hands of HTS which is basically just al-Qaeda rebranded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nour_al-Din_al-Zenki_Movement
AQ has poisoned the well for any further western support for the rebels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nour_al-Din_al-Zenki_Movement
AQ has poisoned the well for any further western support for the rebels.
Tbh a ton of the Syrian rebels are already terrorists.
The only faction in this war I've ever felt comfortable with is the SDF and Kurds though they've got their own problems as well.
The Silver
Member
all I know is, every time we keep fucking around in that clusterfuck it ends up worse.
Transistor
Banned
These were people who were pledged support only to have the rug pulled out from under them.
I realize it's not black and white, believe me. But there are good factions in they Syrian rebels who were promised help. And they're essentially sent to die without that support.
But I'ma bow out, as I've had a bit to drink.
gutter_trash
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Syria is the only thing where Trump is more right than Obama.
I like Obama, but he was wrong with Syria by arming dubious rebels who can't be vouched for
I like Obama, but he was wrong with Syria by arming dubious rebels who can't be vouched for
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Same strategy of leaving guys like this high and dry worked well for the Mujaheddin fighters in Afghanistan. Trump is going be the cause of dead American for decades.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
"In the outskirts of Aleppo, the FSA (Free Syrian Army) has implemented a Sharia law enforcement police force that is a replica of the Wahhabi police in Saudi Arabia forcing ordinary citizens to abide by the Sharia code."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2380399
But fuck Trump right?
gutter_trash
Banned
Yes still Fuck Trump
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
No, no human is better off with Assad
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...terhouse-amnesty-report-torture-mass-hangings
1. Be an autocratic leader
2. large groups of your population protest against your shitty government
3. Respond in overwhelming,disproportionate, violent force.
4. Gas innocent men, women and children
5. Watch as your opponents radicalize and harden under the extreme pressure of the civil war
6. Congratulations! You are now the "stable" choice for Syrian leadership and will most likely get away with both your life and your position.
2. large groups of your population protest against your shitty government
3. Respond in overwhelming,disproportionate, violent force.
4. Gas innocent men, women and children
5. Watch as your opponents radicalize and harden under the extreme pressure of the civil war
6. Congratulations! You are now the "stable" choice for Syrian leadership and will most likely get away with both your life and your position.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Yeah, but the kurds are involved in ethnic cleansing, abuses and human rights violations in general.
Its a shit show all around.
Its not that simple tho, foreign fighters and influence from Saudi arabia, Qatar, Turkey and others are also among the main causes of the radicalization that happened too, foreing jihadist flocked the country, a shit situation was made even worse by outside influence , the civil war became a regional conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia and a global one between US and Russia.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I wonder if these are the same people who posted all that positive stuff about him online after he ordered the bombing on that empty airfield. You got played, suckers.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
So you have nothing of substance to contribute to the discussion, good to know
You rather ISIS and other extremists be in power? Because there isn't some magical peaceful deomocratic group looking to take power over Assad
Funny how people forget the disaster of America taking out Saddam and Gaddafi but think America ONCE AGAIN intervening in the overthrowing of a government is now some great idea
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
On the other hand, everyone against the Assad regime is a hardcore jihadist is an absolute fabrication of Assad and the Russian government. It's just as reductive and divorced from reality as the "moderate rebel" idea the U.S. has tried to foster.
Well even the FSA is implementing shit like Sharia Law. So whether they're ISIS like or they follow the Saudi model, they're still scum.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
The issue is, the FSA doesn't really exist. From the start it's been a hodgepodge of ever-changing, dissolving and merging organisations.
Who had any doubt? He's probably still hoping for a 9/11 style event to whip up America again and use all that fervor to obfuscate what's really going on and of course, start a few wars.
ClosingADoor
Member
Conflicted about this. On the one side, Assad gone would be nice. On the other, I don't expect groups like this to actually set up a functional government that will also not lead to a ton of problems. Two evils to choose from.
The stalemate is to eventually one day have Assad fall and or Russia backs out because they are wasting money and economy isn't the greatest but by not funding the rebels
Assad gets more power and control over his country in which Russia is fully backing. Therefore Russia gains more influence in the middle east...
Putin is using Trump like a puppet ..
michaelius
Banned
If you are non-muslim then you are probably much better living in Assad Syria than in whatever rebels were trying to create.
King Tubby
Member
Trying to play this double game of getting rid of both Assad and ISIS and installing some kind of moderate faction that could possibly maintain any sort of stability always seemed like a fool's errand prone to massive blowback.
hobblygobbly
Member
There hasn't been a unified force against Assad in Syria for years which is why the situation is what it is, many rebels are fighting each other, ISIS, and the combined force of Syrian government forces, Russia, and Iran.
Even if Assad had to defeated it would mean fuck all, fighting will continue in Syria among all the groups as it is happening right now, everyone has their own ideology/goals.
U.S fucked it by arming rebels in the first place and purposefully avoiding diplomatic channels because they thought Assad would've been overthrown like what was happening with the rest of the Arab Spring at the time.
Even if Assad had to defeated it would mean fuck all, fighting will continue in Syria among all the groups as it is happening right now, everyone has their own ideology/goals.
U.S fucked it by arming rebels in the first place and purposefully avoiding diplomatic channels because they thought Assad would've been overthrown like what was happening with the rest of the Arab Spring at the time.
Turbo Killer
Member
Pretty fucking ironic considering Syria exported jihadist into Iraq after the fall of Saddam. Enjoy your shit sandwich assholes.
Also, fuck the kurds for the shit they are doing to Assyrians in northern Iraq.
Pretty much.
This is something I just can't criticize Trump for. US meddling in the Middle East never works out. The US arming and training people in the Middle East sure as shit has always came back to bite us in the ass and definitely has never worked out before. It's like no one in the government can pick up a damn history book.
Dubbedinenglish
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Yes the guy using Hezbollah and Iranian militias an an army is surely the beacon for non-Muslims. He is exterminating people for simply living in rebel areas, doesn't matter who they are.
You are making up things I haven't said. Assad is by far the worst party in this conflict. No one else has murdered, starved, tortured, bombed, terrorized more people than Assad. Under him there will never be peace and he lacks the will or ability to rebuild. Like other ME despots he will sign off parts of Syria to ISIS lite or another terror group that will maintain order for him.
Syria is too far gone for one of the warring parties to take control (other than the Kurdish fighters). 7 years or war so only the most hardened fighters are sticking around. It will need a 15-20 year peacekeeping and nation building mission.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Anyone that pretends like there's a good side to back that leads to peace is a naive jackass. Trump's decision is just meant as a wink and nudge to Russia, not part of long term strategy or peace.