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I haven't followed all of today, but why are you so sure on that? I thought that was still up in the air?
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WaPo: The Senate voted against the GOP bill to make sweeping changes to ACA
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Wafflecakes
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Fuck off.
I TEACH this stuff for a living as an AP United States Government and Politics teacher, and it isn't simple and people have every right to be confused.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Skinny Repeal basically. I can't wait to see them try to sell that as a big win. It's going to be something.
Orbis Tabula
Member
Yeah, it's pretty hard to keep up with. I have to keep giving myself rundowns on how it works because I keep forgetting shit. It's complex.
Saint Gregory
Member
Trump campaigned on repealing "Obamacare" and replacing it with something better. That's clearly not happening so I hope when the Republicans decimate the ACA instead causing it to collapse their base holds them responsible.
Oh who am I kidding, they're going to blame Obama aren't they?
Oh who am I kidding, they're going to blame Obama aren't they?
What's the immediate or near term ramifications for that?
All the way to the end, yes.
I know that's what they've said before (particularly Paul). I'm worried that the more conservative members will flip anyway. If you're one of the very few Republican senators preventing the repeal of Obamacare, you're gonna risk branding yourself as the Joe Lieberman of the GOP, even if the actual bill has lukewarm reception among conservatives. I can see Collins and Murkowski being okay with that. The others, not so much. Hopefully I'm wrong and Paul & co stick to their word!
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Health care companies pulling out of the ACA, and single markets, essentially killing it that much faster.
Yes because you're still giving people who don't give a damn about the populace the benefit of the doubt. For no reason whatsoever.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
McCain, bruh.....
BoogieWoogie
Banned
But if the GOP passes a skinny repeal, they'll have to push it as a massive win, hell Trump will do that himself, so when everything starts coming down, they can't go back and say "well Obama" because they "repealed it".
Orbis Tabula
Member
Whatever doctors he had seem to think he's competent enough to go back to work. I'm not gonna second guess them. John McCain's fully functioning brain just happens to be really shitty.
Saint Gregory
Member
I want to feel sorry for them because while we're all going to get hurt by this once premiums skyrocket they're going to be hit the worst but it's so hard to feel bad for people that vote against their own interests.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Maybe instead of telling people to fuck off, you can explain why anyone has an excuse to come in here with comments like "wait, I thought they already voted earlier and it passed" when the OP of that thread itself explained exactly what was going on. Not just the OP either, plenty of people throughout the thread explained what a motion to proceed was. There's no excuse for refusing to read a couple lines of text.
Dark Cloud
Member
Can we say mean things about McCain now, or do his well wishers want to wait for the results of the "slim repeal" vote as well?
Wow
Zantetsuken
Member
McCain. Your name is your name. Do you not care that it's in the mud?
So doing it by the backdoor with enough distance to hoodwink the dumbasses.
GoldenEye 007
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I mean, earlier in the day, Senators were confused on what's going on. This is not a clear process, things are being done at a rapid pace, and not a lot of information is being shared about it.
It is perfectly normal to be confused given those circumstances. And to be honest, the OP doesn't exactly clearly lay out the process. More than a "couple sentences" are needed here.
Parliamentary procedure is complicated and arcane. Especially at the government level. If you don't study it or work within it on a regular basis, shit is confusing.
Bam Bam Baklava
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TheChocoboCadet
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I just wanted to apologize to GAF for defending McCain in the "McCain's got a tumor" thread. I'm completely shocked that he voted for this, and there's really no defending him at this point. He has no political future, voting on a bill that had really no chance of passing, after just having a clot removed THANKS TO HEALTHCARE, and he voted to shit on the people. Just terrible.
...how 'bout that Lindsey Graham though! Gotta find a new anti-hero for the media.
...how 'bout that Lindsey Graham though! Gotta find a new anti-hero for the media.
Basically a lie really that he perpetrated to set himself apart from the farther right of the party at the time.
Shadow Puppetry
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Already defeated.
WASHINGTON With Vice President Mike Pence casting a tie-breaking vote, Republicans moved forward on health care reform Tuesday as the Senate successfully opening debate on the issue. But just six hours later, Republicans faced their first defeat in that process, failing to pass a measure that they've been working on that would have partially repealed and replaced Obamacare.
The vote earlier in the day was a major victory for Republicans, who have struggled to find 50 votes to get this far, but the final product is likely to fall far short of the Republicans' seven-year promise to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. It took the likelihood of a slimmed-down final bill in order to get enough "yes" votes to just open debate.
President Donald Trump celebrated the Senate's vote Tuesday night in Youngstown, Ohio, saying at a rally that America is now "one step closer to liberating our citizens from this Obamacare nightmare."
"Finally," he said to a crowd of thousands of supporters at the campaign-style event. "You think that's easy? That's not easy."
WASHINGTON With Vice President Mike Pence casting a tie-breaking vote, Republicans moved forward on health care reform Tuesday as the Senate successfully opening debate on the issue. But just six hours later, Republicans faced their first defeat in that process, failing to pass a measure that they've been working on that would have partially repealed and replaced Obamacare.
The vote earlier in the day was a major victory for Republicans, who have struggled to find 50 votes to get this far, but the final product is likely to fall far short of the Republicans' seven-year promise to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. It took the likelihood of a slimmed-down final bill in order to get enough "yes" votes to just open debate.
President Donald Trump celebrated the Senate's vote Tuesday night in Youngstown, Ohio, saying at a rally that America is now "one step closer to liberating our citizens from this Obamacare nightmare."
"Finally," he said to a crowd of thousands of supporters at the campaign-style event. "You think that's easy? That's not easy."
BobTheFork
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That's your hand John
Angelus Errare
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No, because his actions have always spoken louder than his feel good words. McCain ALWAYS tows the line despite speaking differently.
GoldenEye 007
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This was one of the first images you see in the previous thread.
So what? It still isn't that clear. Step 2 says 20 hours of debate. MTP already happened. Yet another vote just occurred without that box being checked.
Was it an amendment? Which amendment? Was it procedural (as stated on the very short CSPAN description)? Was it something else?
What is next specifically? What amendment is being debated? What does it mean? How long will this process go on overall? What needs 50 votes? What needs 60? What are the points of order? Etc, etc.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
People only listen to him talk and never look at his voting record.
Rand Paul demanded it for his vote for MTP but it wass never even the plan to pass repeal only. They simple do not have the votes for that.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What does any of that have to do with a comment that says "wait, I thought they already voted and it passed?"
GoldenEye 007
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Not only all of that, he literally said today he would not vote for BCRA as is. Which he did.
To be fair, he always says he's going to vote no until the vote happens.
Every. Single. Time.
Wafflecakes
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How about you take your pent up frustrations out on the GOP instead of posters trying to make sense of the situation?
The few lines of "explanation" in the OP do a garbage job of explaining what this vote is and why it it different than the other votes we have been hearing about in recent days.
TheCochese
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I think we need a running list of votes to cut down on confusion.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Someone said The Times has that going.
ForkNetwork
Banned
Please, this situation is very confusing
GoldenEye 007
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I know you get off on being extremely obtuse, but the poster was clearly confused over the general process. So instead of berating them, it would be more helpful to have more than a Twitter image and a sentence or two and clearly laying out the overall process.
That image doesn't clearly explain everything. And it's arguably wrong given another vote happened on an amendment yet the debate part is not checked. Should be more clear saying debate is ongoing and during that, amendments can happen.
TheCochese
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Not who voted, but the various amendments and stages.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Again, as long as you UNDERSTAND the SIMPLEST of explanations about what the MTP was, how can you make a comment like that? You're making excuses for something that displays zero effort to understand what the first vote even was.
For a 50 vote, pretty much their only option is the "skinny repeal", which kills the individual mandate. Keeping the ACA while gutting the mandate will send the ACA, and the entire insurance industry, into a death spiral. "Only" 15 million people would lose insurance though, which I guess is an improvement as long as you forget that 1/6 of the economy would be destroyed, plunging us into a new recession.
Also, they call McCain a maverick because until 2008 he was. After he failed in the 2008 election it felt like his balls were cut off.
The same place that Portman, Capito, etc being "moderates" came from.
The media refuses to recognize all Republicans as shit heads so they crown the asses of anyone that dares to say anything remotely against the party line at all.
Autodidact
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You ain't neva lied.
Somehow Collins and Murkowski have managed to make themselves the Moderate Queens, though. The other moderates just attend their court.
It's sad that the McCain of finance reform and removing money from politics in the late 90s became such a fucking party parasite.
What ever happened to his integrity?
He spearheaded the push for removing money from politics in the late 90s, especially dark money. He was mostly a "maverick" by basically cussing people out in the Senate and not giving a shit about decorum. He famously called Ted Kennedy a shithead while in session.
What ever happened to his integrity?
He spearheaded the push for removing money from politics in the late 90s, especially dark money. He was mostly a "maverick" by basically cussing people out in the Senate and not giving a shit about decorum. He famously called Ted Kennedy a shithead while in session.
Cancer ate it out of his brain...?
This could be possible. Reagan suffered from a decaying brain too..
balladofwindfishes
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It's 15 million over 10 years. The other plans were up to 25 million in only 4 years, so it's something, I guess.