Eh. He'll kill it if he feels he needs to for important legislation. I definitely think he would for this if the problem wasn't getting enough for 50 in the first place.
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WaPo:Trump suggests Republicans will let ACA market collapse, then rewrite health law
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Eh. He'll kill it if he feels he needs to for important legislation. I definitely think he would for this if the problem wasn't getting enough for 50 in the first place.
BBC published a short opinion piece on this that I think is pretty spot-on:
If Trump is found deliberately allowing the healthcare markets to fail, his approval ratings are going to go so low they'll make Chris Christie blush.
If Trump is found deliberately allowing the healthcare markets to fail, his approval ratings are going to go so low they'll make Chris Christie blush.
Maybe that's democracy working as intended, somewhat at least, since we can't just have a slim majority easily go "well fuck your healthcare?"
Then again he is the kind of asshole who'd see that "his side" has just barely more people and act like they can do whatever they want, rather than acknowledge that this is something we're supposed to work together on and not shun the other side especially when it comes to fucking HEALTH CARE. But he's probably just an extreme case of the kind of rot infecting the Republican Party on a whole.
Trump's been saying for months that the Republican repeal/replace effort was a good deed because the best option for Republicans would be to let the market collapse in order to score political points against Democrats.
It's dumb and fucked up for a number of reasons, but if that is your grand strategy you'd probably be better off not publicly announcing how you, as President of the United States, are intentionally going to let the US healthcare market collapse if you want to successfully blame the other party for it happening.
It's dumb and fucked up for a number of reasons, but if that is your grand strategy you'd probably be better off not publicly announcing how you, as President of the United States, are intentionally going to let the US healthcare market collapse if you want to successfully blame the other party for it happening.
Been saying this is there only real option for months now. Deep down they know it too. People that think the GOP are going to be blamed for ACA collapsing with no insurers on the marketplace haven't been paying attention to all the shit GOP has already gotten away with. This is their safest bet to hold onto seats in 2018. People are still going to be screwed and the Republicans are going to weasel out of responsibility in their base and moderate eyes.
That's basically the whole problem with this.
When someone like Reagan tried to bust public services, he discretely cuts funding for the service and lets it perform badly without drawing attention to it. Then he tells the public that said public service is dreadful and should be cut in favour of private service replacements.
When someone like Trump is trying to bust Obamacare, he's telling people that Obamacare is terrible (because Obama?????) and he's going to make sure its goddamn dead.
Yeah, I know Republicans and moderates can be stupid but...
The house and senate bills had like sub-20% approval rating (that's at least 15% worse than Trump's worst approval rating poll) with the public. Because everyone knew it was a "fuck healthcare, rich people need tax cuts" bill.
And during and after all of this, you have a president telling everyone "fuck Obamacare, I hate Obama so much that I'm going to make sure it dies even if it puts 20+ million people out of health care".
The optics with regards to Republican health care legislation are absolutely dreadful.
No he won't.
StopMakingSense
Member
Early on there in the healthcare... thing.... this year there were polls showing people clearly blaming the Republicans if they let the markets collapse on their own.
They own this. They promised they would make healthcare 'better' and all they could show for it was a bill roundly despised by the people. There is no upside.
They own this. They promised they would make healthcare 'better' and all they could show for it was a bill roundly despised by the people. There is no upside.
they can count on a good 30% believing it's somehow Obama's fault.
But a very angry 60% trying to make sure the GOP can't sleep at night.
in the words of Hampton J. Pig's father "Oh no, Mr. Naughty. You don't get off that easily." This all happened in real time, in front of the entire world. There is no way the GOP ducks this.
Aaron Strife
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Also the thing is that Obamacare isn't really a program so much as a series of regulations on the insurance market we already had, and an expansion of a program we already had (Medicaid). Even with ACA in place the American healthcare system is still largely private.
No one in the GOP will ever admit it, but there's no way you can shift our healthcare system to the right while covering more people and bringing down premiums. Every possible reform to Obamacare that would do this would shift it to the left.
The Greek Freak
Member
Fine let the band aid on the bullet wound of American healthcare collapse so we can be a first world country again and have medicare for all.
Aaron Strife
Banned
There will absolutely be people who buy into Trump's line on this.Welp. My dad just said it's the Dem's fault.
My dad lost it and went down the rabbit hole years ago.
But go back to 2010 and 2014. Democrats knew the GOP was gumming up the works but that didn't matter to swing voters or Republicans.
Future Democratic reform of ACA is going to keep it in place just fyi, I hope you're prepared for this.
Even Bernie Sanders is calling for a public option and Medicare expansion, not a wholesale, overnight shift to single-payer. That may be the ultimate goal, but there are steps along the way, just like the ACA was a step.
They are evil, vile human being who value giving themselves, their businesses and their friends tax breaks more then human life. They are every bit the inhumane monsters that an org like ISIS is, they just wear suits and smile more. The GOP is the single dangerous organization on the planet.
Damn dude. They literally think it's a game.
dark_chris
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And her emails
More_Badass
Member
Because obstruction? My dad says that Dems not working with the GOP on the AHCA proves that they don't want to help the countryWelp. My dad just said it's the Dem's fault.
My dad lost it and went down the rabbit hole years ago.
CornBurrito
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Consider this everyone. If we don't cut spending on healthcare now, many more will die in the future. Humans are like deer. We need to kill some now to save more later.
I'm too lazy to link my sources, so I'll link instead to a post that DOES source this.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242030694&postcount=399
If you're truly empathetic, you'll let the poor of today die so that the poor and middle class of tomorrow do not.
I'm too lazy to link my sources, so I'll link instead to a post that DOES source this.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242030694&postcount=399
If you're truly empathetic, you'll let the poor of today die so that the poor and middle class of tomorrow do not.
They hid the fucking bill until the last second! They kept hearings and amendments to the absolute minimum and even talked about calling for a vote before the CBO could provide a score!
Fake news, I know.
America's in serious trouble. Even if Trump isn't around, the way conservatives routinely ignore basic facts is an existential threat..
Have they done any hearings?
Certainly Turtle invited no Democrats to the working group. Plenty of Republicans were in the dark.
Not that Democrats would have helped them pass that evil bill either way.
Ask him how many Republicans voted for Obamacare (0 btw)
sturgboski
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I could swear people listed as actively working on the bill straight up said "I have no fucking clue what is in it, I'm not even allowed in the room." I mean the GOP almost gloated about not working with the Dems.
Anyone who blames this on the Dems...I mean words can not express the emotion I have. How can you be so fucking dumb?
Mister Wolf
Member
Dude is a real life Captain Planet villain.
I've cut out friends for brain brainwashed right wingers. I just can't deal with them.
Hoggish Greedly or Looten Plunder?
hydragonwarrior
Member
Actually... it's a shrewd gamble, but how possible is it for Republican media to blame a collapse on liberals anyway? Are they powerful enough to make that narrative a reality?
Those people probably are already the ones who think it would be Democrats fault.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Looten plunder imo
He's literally threatening to fuck over millions of Americans because he didn't "win". MAGA?
Yes it is. Very workable. Messaging the complexities of the president controlling high risk subsidies vs. it failed on its own is very very difficult.
More_Badass
Member
So easy a baby could do it. Their audience are already convinced that liberals want to ruin America.
Hey I wasn't able to fuck over tens of millions, so I'm going to fuck over these millions until you agree to help me fuck over the tens of millions.
Great plan.
Escape Goat
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You would think so. But most who vote are deeply stupid.
Euphoria14
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I walked by this house today and saw what looked to be a small beginnings of a fire. If left unattended the entire house would go up in flame.
I decided to do nothing and just let it burn.
It's not my fault nobody called the fire department.
I decided to do nothing and just let it burn.
It's not my fault nobody called the fire department.
Wet Bloodfart
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CornBurrito
Member
Here, I'll isolate the relevant bits.
This argument is sourced.
We need to start killing poor people ASAP (or at least push legislation that makes them more likely to die), otherwise more will die in the future. Like deer, or some other nonhuman animal.
It sounds pretty unempathetic, but we need to face reality. Trump and the Republicans are misunderstood. They are trying to save humanity. Like hunters when they cull deer populations so that they don't overbreed and starve the whole species out.
Garrett 2U
Member
Regardless of the validity or morality of this quoted argument, how does flat out repealing the ACA address the issue you are quoting?
Or are you bringing this up to simply make an edgy comment?
TetraGenesis
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See, that's their super power. They know their supporters are too stupid, indoctrinated, and ill-informed to blame them for anything.
CornBurrito
Member
Estimated 20k will die each year from the repeal of the ACA. So yes.
Garrett 2U
Member
These 20k deaths/year, are they related to the people using the Entitlements referred to in the quoted argument?
Or are those Entitlements separate from the ACA continue to exist?
CornBurrito
Member
So as far as I understand, the NHS is kick-ass despite budget cuts from the Tories.
The Tories continue to slash the budget so the NHS gets worse so they can go "look, the NHS sucks, time to privatize!"
This seems to have been working pretty well for the Tories.
It can work in America too. Governments make cuts to perfectly fine services. The services get shitty. People say government is incompetent and then funnel money to the private sector.
Oh, that is my misunderstanding then.
I don't know if you're trying for edgy Thomas Paine shit here, but it's not welcome. I really don't appreciate seeing this kind of thing on NeoGAF.
Metalingus5150
Member
Go fuck yourself.
Garrett 2U
Member
I edited my post after you quoted it.
I don't know if they are separate or not, I'm asking if the ACA included in the referenced Entitlements.
Because there are many other health care Entitlements outside of the ACA.
But before you post an argument of such controversy, you should fully understand the point you're supporting.
And you clearly don't, therefore I question your motives.