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Was Barrack Obama a good president?

Was Obama a good president?


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pennythots

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I wish he was the socialist demon he was supposed to be.

Instead we got another corporate warmonger but this time a poc
 
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Bolivar687

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He imprisoned whistleblowers, killed Americans without due process through his drone strike program, and oversaw the implementation of a mass surveillance state.

He lied about being a moderate to get elected. When you go back to watch videos of him in the Senate, he was the progenitor of all the partisan frauds who have no business there now, some of whom are following his blueprint and running for President.

But I didn't want a moderate when he ran - I supported him because I thought he would be a liberal to end the War on Terror. But all he did was continue the neoconservative regime change project. He did nothing to stand up to the Chinese communist party. He did nothing when Putin invaded sovereign nations and perpetuated civil wars. He did nothing but exacerbate the further deterioration of the Middle East which he himself very much contributed to. We were forced to withdraw from Iraq because he failed to negotiate a deal with the government, which he then took credit for bringing the troops home, even as ISIS took form and began a new era of religious terror.

The Affordable Care Act was an unmitigated disaster for this country. I saw poor people whose finances depended on annual tax refunds have to pay hundreds of dollars in fines because they couldn't afford the horrendously useless plans mandated by the government. I watched independent hospitals that were institutions in their community close down because they couldn't compete with the large soulless hospital networks in the expansive regulatory regime of Obamacare.

He exploited cultural divisions to get reelected and presided over the unholy marriage between corporate power and progressive activism. He went after the Catholic Church because they wouldn't give birth control to their celibate nuns. He put Elena Kagan, who never spent a day of her life as a judge, to the highest court in the land, so she could unconstitutionally enact the policies which he himself would never have the political acumen to achieve himself.

General Mattis has a new book absolutely savaging Obama's foreign policy. When we found out Iran's government had planned a terror attack on Washington D.C., Obama actually looked the other way so he could push through his psychotic nuclear deal.

Barack Obama is the reason why I went from a lifelong Democrat to an unrepentant Trump support.
 

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he was a great face for america

young, handsome, likable

coolest president by far to this day
The most relatable president by far was William Taft because of his rather rotund size and the fact that the country today is fatter than ever. The man was simply president at the wrong time in history.
 

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i love dubya, always thought he was an absolute bro

beer sandwiches chips and football with G dub

maybe wings

some crazy animal attacks on the internet

and burgers later for dessert

he should go on joe rogan honestly
 

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At the time everything was thought to be fine and dandy, but like many others here say, he failed on many fronts. I’m not sure if it’s entirely his fault, as I heard him say that no one would agree with him on anything, but he didn’t exactly undo a lot of things that were within his power either.

My top 3 things for him were not stopping national surveillance, even flat out lying about it, not bringing troops home and securing the middle east, and making us weak on the world stage with failed negotiations or doing even more business with nations we shouldn’t be.

I started traveling during his presidency, and I quickly realized that things were going to shit. Every time I came into the country I was basically interrogated, and I don’t mean to play the race card, but I don’t fit any profiles either.
“How long were you gone? Why did you go there? How did you afford it? Who did you meet there? Why did you do that? You were gone so long, your residence is really in America? What is your reason to come back now? Where were you born?” Etc etc.

Now under Trump, I go through the border and they have said “this shouldn’t take long for Americans”, and I get waved through. Now before I take my vote, I will always consider how the people in my own country are treated. That might seem obvious to anyone reading, but it’s something you have to take to heart
 
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I didnt like him at first but thought he was pretty charismatic. My biggest fear was he was gonna introduce strict gun laws but that never happened so cant complain
 

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He was a bad president in a long string of bad presidents. I think his most damaging impact was "normalizing" and "providing a platform for" identity politics, such as propagating the gender wage gap myth and driving a wedge between law enforcement and minorities. America needed our first black president to prove to ourselves that we'd somewhat healed from slavery and Jim Crow, but instead of healing he jabbed at those wounds and made them worse.
The divide between Latinos and blacks and the police has a LONG history that existed before Obama and still exists today (although some things have improved in relations).

You can't put that weight on Obama. That is neighborhood to neighborhood, town to town, state to state that has to fix that divide. Obama DID try some things that he could do on a national level. There was police training changes, the push for body cams, etc.

And again, you can't put that on Obama to show that we've healed as a nation from Jim Crow and the like but not any other president. He was elected both terms because many didn't want the alternatives (Romney and McCain). HOW was he supposed to heal the nation as far as race? Was this question asked of the previous presidents?

And he was ASKED about his opinion of the Trayvon Martin case... A kid who was tall, skinny and black... If Obama had a son, he'd look like him. Plus, at that time, we didn't have as much information as what came out in the trial... We STILL don't have all the information like what was in Zimmerman's head and his motivation for following him. However, Martin's fingerprints were not on any of the homes burglarized like some people want to insist on.

Like I asked, why is the burden of healing the nation on Obama but not any of the previous or current presidents?
 
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About the affordable Care act.. it was hampered by negotiations with the Republican controlled Congress. He had only a slight majority in one house of Congress and some of those Democrats voted against him (which is well within their rights to do so)... The public option was stripped... Plus in republican led states with republican governors, they rejected ACA funds that would have helped people who enrolled into the ACA.

If folks are going to call the ACA an unmitigated disaster, at least remember that he was up against a lot of resistance and the ACA was gimped when passed.
 
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About the affordable Care act.. it was hampered by negotiations with the Republican controlled Congress. He had only a slight majority in one house of Congress and some of those Democrats voted against him (which is well within their rights to do so)... The public option was stripped... Plus in republican led states with republican governors, they rejected ACA funds that would have helped people who enrolled into the ACA.

If folks are going to call the ACA and unmitigated disaster, at least remember that he was up against a lot of resistance and the ACA was gimped when passed.
I always thought the ACA was designed to fail so they could then say they had to go to a single payer system. Then Trump threw a monkey wrench into their plans, and healthcare is barely mentioned in his White House.
 
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The ACA was a financial scam the moment the establishment president went behind closed doors and drafted it up with the guidance of the private insurance company cabal.

The results were ballooning of premiums, and another Democratic fuck the middle class tax.

And that is just the tip of all the other issues that it brought along with it.
 
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I think Obama was an extremely average president. He had lots of controversies (they all do), but I think the only real problem was IRS targeting.

Sure there was a lot of hackneyed political crap, from getting Americans killed selling guns to cartels, to PRISM lies, to extra judicial murder. Droning children, Benghazi etc.

But only the IRS targeting struck me as actually dangerous to democracy. And although I do believe it happened, there’s little solid evidence thanks to all those “lost” records.

As far as accomplishments his only actual one as far as I’m concerned is ACA. I think ACA is a good general idea implemented horribly. In their rush to give away free shit they made a law that only positively impacts the poor, and fucks everyone else. It also fails to lower health care expenses or to untie healthcare from the employer. In short, it could have simplified and streamlined healthcare. It could have lowered costs. It could have increased transparency. Instead it gave away stuff to the poor, vastly increased the complexity of the system, and added a huge burden on the rich and the middle class.

Republicans aren’t blameless though. They could have used it as a basis for improvement, instead they went scorched earth out of pure pettiness and made it even worse by ripping out big important parts of the bill.

So I’d give him a C, maybe a C+ for being a cool guy who mostly operated with class (at least outwardly).

If however he turns out to have provably spied on Trump’s campaign he will be the worst president in recorded history. F-

For now I’d rather believe that was rogue bullshit from Hillary and the FBI.
 

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Obama was a politician with legitimately good intentions and certain successes, but his overall achievements were limited by the circumstances. Everyone knows that Obama didn't have a solid legislative majority for much of his administration. This crippled the ACA, which was still an improvement over what came before in certain ways, but could have been a far superior system if it weren't for the likes of Senator Joe Lieberman, who refused to support the public option. Republicans in Congress also refused to compromise over the bill, despite the fact it was based on some rather moderate principles. Trump voters who blame Democrats for obstruction right now appear to have totally forgotten what their own party did. Honestly, the irony and hypocrisy involved is almost hilarious.

True, Obama made some mistakes in judgment from time to time. It would be silly to deny this, but unlike Trump he didn't act like a giant baby about it. For that matter, he was handed a crumbling economy by Bush, as opposed to the economy that Obama ultimately gave Trump.

Some posters have complained about his view of law enforcement. But this is a rather selective accusation that remembers certain incidents but forgets others. In any case, police departments are made up of human beings, not sacred cows, who deserve to be criticized when they screw up instead of automatically protected by police unions, corrupt officials or those who believe that a police officer is always right. That doesn't mean every single criticism of police behavior is correct either, but the alternative shouldn't be silence and guaranteed impunity.

Whatever you think of Black Lives Matter as a movement, which is hardly above criticism either, the underlying racial tensions that led to it had a very concrete reason to exist. Those conflicts were going to explode under any president. Some of you seem to believe Obama should have pretended that nothing was wrong and simply outright opposed Black Lives Matter, as if that was the solution. And, for that matter, the openly racist remarks and accusations that were employed against Obama at the time, including by the likes of Trump, did a lot more harm to race relations than anything Obama himself did (besides existing as a black man who dared to run for president, I guess?).

Many (or most) Americans agree that Dreamers deserve protection. Children should not pay for the sins of their fathers, especially when they have already become productive members of society. This is only a "bad" thing in the eyes of a small number of immigration hawks. It might amount to a plurality in specific places like this forum, but that's not representative of opinions across the country. In this respect, Obama did not act against the will of the people. You can argue over the legality of the executive actions involved, if you wish, but morally speaking it was the right thing to do.

How could Obama put a stop to North Korea's nuclear program? Provide a realistic alternative. I don't see what any modern U.S. president could have done. It's clear that not even Trump's attempts at negotiation are working.

On a similar note, even Trump hasn't been able to completely withdraw U.S. forces from the Middle East. It's a complex issue, not one based on political willpower alone. People complain about drone strikes under Obama, but did Trump somehow put the drones away or outlaw them? Nope. If anything, he's made them easier to carry out and has reduced oversight. The press has mostly decided to keep quiet about it, but that doesn't mean the drone strikes have ended .

For all the talk about national debt and deficits, which was part of the Tea party movement's criticism of Obama, it's ironic that Republicans seem to ignore all of this once they're elected. Furthermore, Trump's corporate tax cuts are not reducing the gap between the richest and the middle class. Quite the opposite. Criticizing Obama for this is, well, painting a very incomplete picture of the structural causes of inequality in the U.S.
 
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womfalcs3

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i love dubya, always thought he was an absolute bro

beer sandwiches chips and football with G dub

maybe wings

some crazy animal attacks on the internet

and burgers later for dessert

he should go on joe rogan honestly
He did nothing for jobs over 8 years, his tax cuts were detrimental, and he left the country in a state of recession. The current tax cuts will be even worse because of their size. He dragged the US into an illegal invasion of a sovereign country that cost the federal government trillions.

Only positive legacy will be 9/11 and his personable nature. The former isn't his own accomplishment, as I think any president could've acted in a way the public perceived as positive.
 
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He did nothing for jobs over 8 years, his tax cuts were detrimental, and he left the country in a state of recession. The current tax cuts will be even worse because of their size. He dragged the US into an illegal invasion of a sovereign country that cost the federal government trillions.

Only positive legacy will be 9/11 and his personable nature. The former isn't his own accomplishment, as I think any president could've acted in a way the public perceived as positive.
yeah i wouldnt really wanna eat chips with cheney
 

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I'm not as learned on US politics as many are on this forum. But what I've read of Obama and his administration makes me dislike him as a president.

I thought his stance in Syria was a disaster in foreign policy. All his warnings of a red line that Assad shouldn't cross, and when the latter did cross it, he stood on his ass and did nothing.

And all his talk of world peace, yet he sure loved using ém drones to kill civilians in the Middle East, right?

And what drives me nuts is how the media will portray him as the greatest president the US has had in a long time. If he was so fucking great, how come the American people dumped Hillary and voted Trump instead? That to me speaks of his legacy and how the American people will choose to remember him.

Lastly, this is a more personal thing for me as a Filipino, but I really disliked how he lectured our own president on how a drug war should be waged. Look Duterte isn't perfect I'll admit, but he had every right to tell Barack to fuck off with the 'ádvice' he gave. It made me respect Duterte a lot more and assured me that our country would no longer a lapdog to the United States.
 

MisterFalcon

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Killing traitors who join terrorist groups abroad with drones is a perfectly fine policy. Anyone who complains about the judicial process is welcome to travel to Yemen or Somalia and make a citizen arrest so the judicial process can start. Your Liveleak execution video will make a good argument why the judicial process is not relevant to enemies residing in lawless terrorist controlled lands.

My main gripe is the Iran deal which was dumb and motivated mostly by ego and wanting to do something because the people he doesn't like are against it. Still, I'd spend a month with Obama over an hour with Trump.
 

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The divide between Latinos and blacks and the police has a LONG history that existed before Obama and still exists today (although some things have improved in relations).

You can't put that weight on Obama. That is neighborhood to neighborhood, town to town, state to state that has to fix that divide. Obama DID try some things that he could do on a national level. There was police training changes, the push for body cams, etc.
Did Obama make those relations better or worse?


Law enforcement has voiced a very negative perspective on Obama's impact (the article above is just one out of many). I absolutely will put that weight on Obama. We've not had a president be so anti-LEO at least in my lifetime. Even President Clinton was willing to call out gang violence and inner-city culture. Obama


And again, you can't put that on Obama to show that we've healed as a nation from Jim Crow and the like but not any other president. He was elected both terms because many didn't want the alternatives (Romney and McCain). HOW was he supposed to heal the nation as far as race? Was this question asked of the previous presidents?
Yes, previous presidents have faced race-based questions and criticisms. Remember that Bush Jr hates black people because of his handling of Hurricane Katrina, and he hates muslims because of 9/11? Remember McCain's racist anti-Asian comments for years prior to his presidential bids? Obama promised change, restoration, and unity for American citizens:


And he was ASKED about his opinion of the Trayvon Martin case... A kid who was tall, skinny and black... If Obama had a son, he'd look like him.
It's hilarious how you are literally parroting Obama's speech instead of thinking for yourself: You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son.

Did Obama kiss a baby afterwords too, is that why you swallowed it so readily?

Plus, at that time, we didn't have as much information as what came out in the trial... We STILL don't have all the information like what was in Zimmerman's head and his motivation for following him. However, Martin's fingerprints were not on any of the homes burglarized like some people want to insist on.

Like I asked, why is the burden of healing the nation on Obama but not any of the previous or current presidents?
Your question about the "burden of healing the nation" is a handwave. I am not retroactively imposing some burden upon him. He took it upon himself, openly, bragging about how he was going to pull it off. Obama talked about race and disparity openly, blaming racial and gender division. His party, the Democrats, have continued that legacy with fervor.

I'm not holding Obama accountable for any reason other than he was supposed to heal the divide (based on his own words, his own campaign, his own promises) and instead made it worse.
 
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Killing traitors who join terrorist groups abroad with drones is a perfectly fine policy. Anyone who complains about the judicial process is welcome to travel to Yemen or Somalia and make a citizen arrest so the judicial process can start. Your Liveleak execution video will make a good argument why the judicial process is not relevant to enemies residing in lawless terrorist controlled lands.

My main gripe is the Iran deal which was dumb and motivated mostly by ego and wanting to do something because the people he doesn't like are against it. Still, I'd spend a month with Obama over an hour with Trump.
Yeah, still a problem that there's no trial. The president can call people "traitors who join terrorist groups" but I'm not in favor of letting him murder them and their children like Obama did. And going there as a private citizen to make the arrest personally is not the only alternative.
 

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Yeah, still a problem that there's no trial. The president can call people "traitors who join terrorist groups" but I'm not in favor of letting him murder them and their children like Obama did. And going there as a private citizen to make the arrest personally is not the only alternative.
There cannot be a trial without the defendant present at all. If somehow Al-Awlaki had been sentenced to death in absentia I'm 100% certain this would be seen as a massive violation of the Constitution (and rightly so) by the people who now whine about extrajudicial killings.

And Al-Awlaki's son was not targeted, he was present when someone else was attacked. At any kind of military attack there is the possibility of a US citizen being present at where the bomb hits without this being known.
 

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Everything went to shit when he came into power. He created division, plunge the country into debt like no other, gave rise to SJWs, etc.

Obama is the worst thing to happen in modern America. This is not hyperbole.
 

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Many (or most) Americans agree that Dreamers deserve protection. Children should not pay for the sins of their fathers, especially when they have already become productive members of society. This is only a "bad" thing in the eyes of a small number of immigration hawks. It might amount to a plurality in specific places like this forum, but that's not representative of opinions across the country. In this respect, Obama did not act against the will of the people. You can argue over the legality of the executive actions involved, if you wish, but morally speaking it was the right thing to do
Thanks for reminding me that Obama used executive actions and feelings before legal authority to hand waive legal status to illegal immigrants.

His option, his ONLY option, was to attempt to get reform passed. This decision was cowardly and will result in massive abuse of executive action by future administrations.

Lowering my grade from C+ to D+. Below average president confirmed.
 

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He was a bad president in a long string of bad presidents. I think his most damaging impact was "normalizing" and "providing a platform for" identity politics, such as propagating the gender wage gap myth and driving a wedge between law enforcement and minorities. America needed our first black president to prove to ourselves that we'd somewhat healed from slavery and Jim Crow, but instead of healing he jabbed at those wounds and made them worse.
America can't heal from slavery and Jim Crow when systemic & institutionalized racism still exists (voter suppression, red-lining, education inequality, war on drugs, job/housing discrimination, etc.)
 

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Compared to the fruit loops that the Democrats are running currently, he was amazing. I mean, you have a couple of geezers (one who has a bloody eye and the other is a socialist), a faux indian (I'm not sure she's a socialist, but I think she's trying to be), and a guy who looks like an angry penis with awful ideas, and those are the fucking frontrunners lol, all of whom said it should be completely legal to enter the country illegally. The term shit show doesn't even begin to do it justice.
 
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Dude was the first president to oppose elements of the constitution(1st amendment) and wanted UN members to adopt hate speech laws(criminalize religious hatred) with his co-sponsoring the UN Resolution with Egypt.

He also has a history of appointing enemies of free speech with people like Cass Sunstein, Ajit Pai (FCC's "fairness doctrine"), Harold Koh, Elena Kagan and Sonja Sotomayor.
 
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There cannot be a trial without the defendant present at all. If somehow Al-Awlaki had been sentenced to death in absentia I'm 100% certain this would be seen as a massive violation of the Constitution (and rightly so) by the people who now whine about extrajudicial killings.

And Al-Awlaki's son was not targeted, he was present when someone else was attacked. At any kind of military attack there is the possibility of a US citizen being present at where the bomb hits without this being known.
It's all bad. That means the US dropped a bomb on a cafe where there were minors present, killing people they weren't even targeting. Not that this is uncommon, since about 95% of the people killed by drone strikes were not the people targeted. This time, one of them happened to be an American citizen. If our enemies did that, we'd go apeshit. If our press were worth the oxygen they consume, this would be a national outrage. Instead we've spent most of the week on sharpiegate.
 
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everyone was super angry about Iraq. At the time, I hoped 'Bama was a true outsider and would stop starting shitty oil wars

sadly, he doubled down on it. Same story with Trump really.
 

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Eight long years of pathetic far-left leadership. Good riddance Obummer.
 

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I legit had no idea Chappelle was a Muslim despite being a public figure for 20+ years. And that’s exactly how it should be if we are going to live in a secular society.
Mike Tyson also a Muslim :p

I have a ton of Italian neighbors who I had no idea were muslims until we spoke, including my last boss
 
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The 2008 recession is Bush's fault but the 2001 dot.com crash isn't Clinton's fault?
Blaming either of those Presidents is just lazy. No other way about it.

Clinton wasn't responsible for the dot.com crash. It was something that was inevitable. Everyone and their dog was creating their own dot.com, and selling it to people who thought that it was actually worth something.

I'm no fan of Clinton, but he handled the whole internet explosion better than 99% of any other President. He did this by simply leaving it alone, and letting the internet emerge organically.

Also. Bush wasn't at fault for the 2008 recession. It was a bubble that was going to burst sooner or later no matter what. If you're really trying to blame a President though, you'd have a better argument for blaming Clinton for the 2008 crash, as his policy to force banks to finance subprime loans was ultimately what lead to it. Either way, it was market conditions that created both of those crashes. Neither Clinton or Bush were really responsible.

While Obama didn't have any market crashes during his term, he didn't really do anything remarkable to improve the economy either. Of course he didn't hurt it either, so it's not like he negatively affected it.

One thing to note though for those of you old enough to remember. At the end of Bush's term, he pushed through a stimulus package. Anyone remember that? Everyone who paid taxes that year immediately recieved a $600 check to help stimulate the economy. Democrats protested that it wouldn't help, and that it was increasing the national debt.

Fast forward a year or so later, and the recently elected Obama decided to release another stimulus package. Only his was going to bigger and better. Seeing how popular the last one was with the people, there wasn't really an outcry against it. Only it was a hundred times bigger, and the people didn't get any of it to stimulate the economy. It all went to government agencies instead. Had Obama's stimulus package been deployed as Bush's had... Each US taxpayer would have recieved $16,000 vs the $600 they from Bush. If Obama was skilled at one thing above all others. It was spending other people's money. Even his grand achievement, the ACA fined millions of middle class people who didn't pay for health insurance. Like, they literally asked when you did your taxes if you were covered by health insurance for the previous year. If you answered no, your return would literally reduce right there. Lol. So of course everyone lied and said yes, but if you got audited you got fined.
 
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Your question about the "burden of healing the nation" is a handwave. I am not retroactively imposing some burden upon him. He took it upon himself, openly, bragging about how he was going to pull it off. Obama talked about race and disparity openly, blaming racial and gender division. His party, the Democrats, have continued that legacy with fervor.

I'm not holding Obama accountable for any reason other than he was supposed to heal the divide (based on his own words, his own campaign, his own promises) and instead made it worse.
It's debatable whether Obama actually believed in any of that, or if he just knew how appealing the proposition would be to voters. Everything he did once he got elected puts it in serious doubt. The most likely explanation is the guy was barely in politics 10 years when he ran, with hardly any real experience in D.C., and once he found out how hard it was, he figured he would just burn it all down in a culture war.

The deterioration of race relations is 100% on him, and he is almost solely responsible for the safe space trigger warning cancel culture of today: if you can't win the argument, just call them all racist.

When he used a MLK day to go on an unhinged rant about how racist everyone who opposes big government is, I was officially done with him forever.
 
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Hated him and consider him a terrible president. Many laws that should have been vetoed at his desk were not.

The surveillance state is secured thanks to Obama. When Trump says he wants to label Antifa as a terrorist organization, just remember that if he did so every member could be jailed without due process forever. Then they can be forced into legal concentration camps forever. All thanks to Obama.

There are myriad other reasons why he was a bad president, but in most cases people will simply call you racist for saying as much (even though he is hardly the only bad president we have had in recent history).
 

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There are myriad other reasons why he was a bad president, but in most cases people will simply call you racist for saying as much (even though he is hardly the only bad president we have had in recent history).
Looking back, I feel bad for participating in the "You disagree with Obama? Lol, you must be racist." narrative. It was just dogmatism and an awful way to handwave legitimate criticisms regarding being President of the most powerful country on earth.

What's ironic, is now when we do see Black people actually speak out against Democratic policies, they've been labeled "uncle toms" and "coons" (courtesy of Resetera).
 
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Eight long years of pathetic far-left leadership. Good riddance Obummer.
Far left?! :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

That man was a neocon! He gave into Republican pressure more often than not. That's why the ACA was so gimped (public option, republican governors refusing ACA funds)... Not to mention the job/infrastructure stimulus package funds wasn't approved by Republican Governors in most states...

He wasn't the best but let's not lay stuff at his feet claiming him to be something he wasn't. Him and Hilary BOTH Neocons and they didn't say no to the corporate overlords... Much less the military industrial complex.
 
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It's debatable whether Obama actually believed in any of that, or if he just knew how appealing the proposition would be to voters. Everything he did once he got elected puts it in serious doubt. The most likely explanation is the guy was barely in politics 10 years when he ran, with hardly any real experience in D.C., and once he found out how hard it was, he figured he would just burn it all down in a culture war.

The deterioration of race relations is 100% on him, and he is almost solely responsible for the safe space trigger warning cancel culture of today: if you can't win the argument, just call them all racist.

When he used a MLK day to go on an unhinged rant about how racist everyone who opposes big government is, I was officially done with him forever.
I disagree that race relations deteriorating is on Obama. If you REALLY want to blame someone, blame the media for bringing up all the unarmed black folks killed by white cops and not the unarmed black folks killed by black cops or the unarmed white kids killed by white cops (there was one story but when BLM came out in support of the kid, the media stopped pursuing the story) ...

Yes, Obama was the president of everyone, but he was still a black man with a black wife and black daughters. He saw things a certain way based on his own experiences.

If I told you I don't trust most white cops because of the stuff that's happened to me, would you call me racist? Even though I don't have that same animosity towards other white men?

And someone above mentioned Gates... The University professor who was arrested by a cop (I'm going off memory so I'm not sure if he was arrested or not) for trying to get into his own home... Yeah, Gates could have acted differently but the cop should have realized he lived there (DL or school ID should have tipped him to that).

Point is, race relations weren't somehow great before Obama. He had more death threats than any presidential candidate or president in history. There were still a lot of people who didn't want a black man in the White House...


 

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I disagree that race relations deteriorating is on Obama. If you REALLY want to blame someone, blame the media for bringing up all the unarmed black folks killed by white cops and not the unarmed black folks killed by black cops or the unarmed white kids killed by white cops (there was one story but when BLM came out in support of the kid, the media stopped pursuing the story) ...

Yes, Obama was the president of everyone, but he was still a black man with a black wife and black daughters. He saw things a certain way based on his own experiences.

If I told you I don't trust most white cops because of the stuff that's happened to me, would you call me racist? Even though I don't have that same animosity towards other white men?

And someone above mentioned Gates... The University professor who was arrested by a cop (I'm going off memory so I'm not sure if he was arrested or not) for trying to get into his own home... Yeah, Gates could have acted differently but the cop should have realized he lived there (DL or school ID should have tipped him to that).

Point is, race relations weren't somehow great before Obama. He had more death threats than any presidential candidate or president in history. There were still a lot of people who didn't want a black man in the White House...


LOL he invited Black Lives Matter to the White House and met with Farrakhan. At the very least, he was tone deaf on race.
 
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Point is, race relations weren't somehow great before Obama. He had more death threats than any presidential candidate or president in history. There were still a lot of people who didn't want a black man in the White House...
Not an ideal metric to go by. Times changed dramatically during Obama's terms. Everyone has a voice in the new social media generation, which has amplified dumbfuck comments infinitely.

It's far more socially acceptable to levy death threats toward the current POTUS, and it's the latest pastime of celebrities (who do it consequence-free). Obama was popular. Note that many, many other presidents came closer to assassination (or were assassinated).
 
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Really likable guy. Healthcare good, war and wokeness bad. Average out of ten.
 

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Nice guy +1. Chicagoan +1. Sox Fan -1.

Seriously, I will echo what others say. He was bad, but it is an era where the system is so fucked anyone would be bad who plays along with the system. The only way anyone can be a good president now is to be a destroyer of Washington.

He was not even close to Clinton as an administrator, and he had a terrible relationship with Congress. Even Dems on the hill were always exasperated with him...but couldn't say anything because of his popularity with the party base. And because they didn't want to be remembered as a critic of the first minority president.
 

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In addition, Putin blamed some of the inner-instability within Russia back then on the meddling of Hillary in her role as head of the State Department. His cyberwarfare/influence ops were partly a 'fuck you' to her in the last election iirc. Plus, the US trying to 'seduce Ukraine' away from Russia which prompted their annexation of Crimea so that's another catastrophe which happened under the Obama administration's watch.

As for the ACA I'm divided as to whether or not that's a black mark against Obama or a feather in his cap. Congress is just as, if not more, culpable altogether for the entire thing than he is there.

He definitely killed Bin Laden though, props.

His drone warfare policy is hard for me to criticize. I understand why he engaged in those targeted killings. We can't just 'ignore' the bad actors, but he was also unwilling to needlessly expend the lives of American soldiers on manhunts when the Israelis pioneered a wonderful art of 'intercepting' HVTs with precision. Although, rule of law and policy begins to erode when you begin to turn that into a kill mill that is highly automated, dispassionate, and relatively easy. The question lingers in the air as to whether you can actually solve complex geopolitical problems and achieve strategic objectives with such an approach. But I'm not sure I can blame the man for trying to find a way to address the threat while minimizing cost and lives.
 
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