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Watch Dogs: Legion confirmed 4K/30 with RT on XsX/PS5

regawdless

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Not saying much. Is it native 4k or "4k"? What level of raytracing? I guess the quality of the raytracing will be significantly reduced compared to what's possible on PC (of course, I mean a 3080 costs more than the whole console).
 

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With one of the few games that have the same feature sets on both consoles (and includes RT) I predict this will be the first game to be compared in the "two extra flops" war. If there is virtually no difference between the two versions a lot of people are going to be throwing shade around about developers targeting the lowest spec rendering the power increase irrelevant to everything but first party. If they're different, how will they be different? More stable locked 30fps (one would really hope both are locked 30)? native 4k vs dynamic 4k? RT reflections with more objects included? RT shadows? Global Illumination (doubt it)? View distance?
 

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Seems reasonable, but I’d like a 1440p60 option.
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Not bad. I thought 4K + RT wouldn't be very common, especially for multiplats. But I'm being proven wrong. Now the question is whether it's checkerboard 4K or straight up native.

Either way I'd be happy with any of the reconstruction/cb solution as long as the IQ looks indistinguishable from actual 4K.
 

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With one of the few games that have the same feature sets on both consoles (and includes RT) I predict this will be the first game to be compared in the "two extra flops" war.
Wouldn't that be Cyperpunk?

Can't wait for the meltdown here. It will be hilarious, guaranteed!

X has runs smoother, P has lesser pop in, X has this and P has that....

Relax and enjoy:

 

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Wouldn't that be Cyperpunk?

Can't wait for the meltdown here. It will be hilarious, guaranteed!

X has runs smoother, P has lesser pop in, X has this and P has that....

Relax and enjoy:


I dont think there gonna exist a case where ps5 has anything extra. Its slower in every area - ram, cpu, gpu. Its not gonna do anything better. Not even loading times.
 

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The novelty of RT will where off fast I’d you can choose a 60fps.
Fuck 4K and RT

1440p and 1800p is enough
Its interesting that Valhalla runs at 4k/60, yet WatchDogs 4k/30 with RT puddles. RT halving that gpu in half, just for puddles that you wont even notice when playing.
Sorry but give me 60fps and no RT. In fact thats what i will be doing on PC.
 
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It already started. Yes!

There isnt anything to start and certainly not from me as i profoundly dislike any console, im a lifelong pc gamer. Its just an observation that a box has everything more powerfull than the second box. By which metric does a box that has every single component slower can output something superior ? With what parts, if they're all slower ?
 
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So Valhalla devs are a little more competent than WD devs? Honestly doesn't really matter, since both franchises are trash.

They're only shot at redeeming themselves is this weak ass next gen launch.
 
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I was expecting 60fps as a standard mode next gen. Valhalla has it and that looks incredible. I probably wont buy this just to be stubborn lol
 

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Its interesting that Valhalla runs at 4k/60, yet WatchDogs 4k/30 with RT puddles. RT halving that gpu in half, just for puddles that you wont even notice when playing.
Sorry but give me 60fps and no RT. In fact thats what i will be doing on PC.
you re aware tho that Watch Dogs takes place in a city with lots of reflective surfaces like windows, cars etc. right?

an option for 60fps should have been implemented tho, either do it like DMC5 and go 1080p60+RT or like Spider-Man 4k60 no RT
 
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Expect just reflections for both.
nawww not from the worlds "most powerful console" weve been hearing how multiplats would be soooo much better on it from forum posters, i guess reality will set in for them soon 🤔
 

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This seems like deju vu with AC Valhalla where Ubi "confirmed" it was 30fps and then it turned out to be 60fps.
They didn't, you just read their statement wrong.

They said it would run at a minimum 30fps. Not that it would not go higher if it wasn't possible to do so.

 

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If it has 4k/60fps option I'm in, if the only option is 30fps I'm out, Im used to play on pc, only thing that made me buy a xsx was the 60fps promises
 

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Will wait for it to hit Game Pass

There should be a 60 FPS option with dynamic 4k or 1440p.
 
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you re aware tho that Watch Dogs takes place in a city with lots of reflective surfaces like windows, cars etc. right?

an option for 60fps should have been implemented tho, either do it like DMC5 and go 1080p60+RT or like Spider-Man 4k60 no RT
How come it seems like you need such a drastic cut in resolution to maintain RT at double the frame rate? Is RT disproportionately expensive at higher frames or something?

Wouldn't halving the resolution make up for doubling the frame rate, all other things bring equal? Or is it more complicated than that?
 

Bernd Lauert

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There's literally no reason not to offer a 60 fps mode. If they won't offer one, I won't buy the game. Easy decision.
 

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Going to have to see it to understand what type of RT is being implement and how the resolution is being handled.
 

01011001

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How come it seems like you need such a drastic cut in resolution to maintain RT at double the frame rate? Is RT disproportionately expensive at higher frames or something?

Wouldn't halving the resolution make up for doubling the frame rate, all other things bring equal? Or is it more complicated than that?
high resolutions are what impacts Raytracing performance the most. the higher the resolution the more ray the game needs to shoot out per frame.

some developers opt to reduce the resolution of reflections either as an option or as a standard.
in Battlefield 5 for example the RT reflections run at ¼ resolution to improve performance.

Spider-Man on PS5 does the same thing.

in order to get high framerates on the new consoles when using raytracing developers most likely will have to run the games at 1440p or 1080p with ¼ resolution reflections