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Welcome to Trumps America where the media colludes against the president to release fake news. Where a gay black man needs to import oppression from Nigeria. Where a Stolen Valor liar can harass a young boy and become the victim. Where a red hat is enough to call for the death of children. Where your support for a president is enough for you to not get service, be harrassed, or assaulted. Where the pronouns we used are policed. Where you are forced to be attracted to someone. Where women are set up to be destroyed in sports. Where we have the sanctioning of the murder of babies. Where a witch hunt has gone on for 2 years all based off a fake dossier created by the losing political party. Where the the FBI outgoing president spies on a candidate and leaks the names of American's on wire taps got leaked. Where open calls for socialisim run rampant. Where the rights of non citizens are put over the lives of citizens.

This is Trumps America. Not the BS spewed by SJW's and never Trumpers deranged with TDS. Trumps America didn't turn into a fascits hell hole because of Trump, its because of them. Because they want to control what American's can wear, can say, can act, and any dissenting opinions are quickly dismissed as racisim and bigotry. Projection at its finest. All the things they actually do are the things they say Trumps America would become.

EDIT:in the interst of fairness I have edited the post and left the edits in for all too see.

EDIT 2: For some background I was inspired to make this post because of this

The Racist, Homophobic Attack on Jussie Smollett Is Far-Right America's Endgame

Whiteness in 21st century America has an endgame, and it is this: to divest itself from the shame of its power, while working to revive the fear it needs in which to thrive. And there is work being done, work done by panels of respectable-seeming men and women on cable news networks dismissing the red MAGA hat as innocuous, work done by politicians who continue to openly lie about the danger immigrants pose to Americans while choosing to ignore that almost all violent extremist crime is committed by right-wing terrorists, by the refusal to acknowledge that bigotry is alive and well, perpetrated by racists and homophobes targeting people like Smollett, criminals who have no qualms in sharing what motivates them. Hate needs to sign its work. That's how hate persists.
A still-disputed aspect of the attack on Smollett is a line shouted after his attackers fled the scene: "This is MAGA country." While its veracity isn't confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check. America's choice to embrace the blind rage of late-stage whiteness in decline is an explicit longing for this kind of crime, a version of America in which those who do not assimilate to the satisfaction of their white, straight, and Christian betters are subject to the impunity of law enforcement, the scorn of the media and the fury of racist homophobes stalking the streets of your city, who want you to know that they could lynch you if they really wanted to, and maybe get away with it too.
 
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I'm gonna need some links for about half of those claims.

Some of those claims have been proven false as well. The dossier for instance. The whole it being purely fictional and unfounded was debunked a long time ago. Also the whole "Obama wiretapped Trump to spy on him" was also shown to be crap as well.


Also "witch Hunt"? Really? You are just using cliche talking points at that point.
 
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As much as I loathe the SJWs you are giving them too much credit if you think they reach their conclusions by themselves.

Extremism and division in the US are being nurtured and any candidate would have led to a further deepened divide.
 

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As much as I loathe the SJWs you are giving them too much credit if you think they reach their conclusions by themselves.

Extremism and division in the US are being nurtured and any candidate would have led to a further deepened divide.
On that we can agree. Regardless of who took office whether it was Hillary, Trump or any other candidate the divide would have deepened. Trump has just expedited the process in my opinion due to his personality and his political agenda.
 

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I'm gonna need some links for about half of those claims.

Some of those claims have been proven false as well. The dossier for instance. The whole it being purely fictional and unfounded was debunked a long time ago. Also the whole "Obama wiretapped Trump to spy on him" was also shown to be crap as well.


Also "witch Hunt"? Really? You are just using cliche talking points at that point.
He has 2 weeks to update OP.
 

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On that we can agree. Regardless of who took office whether it was Hillary, Trump or any other candidate the divide would have deepened. Trump has just expedited the process in my opinion due to his personality and his political agenda.
I bet many on this board could agree on many subjects. A united front is harder to rule however! Best to keep the peasants divided amongst themselves debating who is the hero and who is the villain in the play we are being presented.
 

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Fusion had been hired to get information on Trump during the primaries by a Republican media firm, Washington Free Beacon. When Trump became the Republican nominee, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party began picking up the tab for the Fusion research. Fusion owner Glenn Simpson hired Steele, a Russia expert, to gather information from his sources in Russia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/fbi-releases-documents-showing-payments-trump-dossier-author-steele-n897506

The Clinton campaign received a steady flow of briefings on its paid-for Christopher Steele dossier, whose unverified Trump-Russia collusion charges made their way into election news stories and Clinton talking points.

The dossier emerged again as a Washington hot topic in recent days with the release of four FBI applications to a judge to spy on a Donald Trump volunteer. The petition’s evidence to convince the judge was largely based on the dossier.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/26/hillary-clinton-used-christopher-steeles-trump-rus/

By contrast, the Clinton campaign proactively sought dirt on Trump from Russian government sources. They did it through cutouts. In April 2016, Clinton campaign lawyer Marc Elias retained opposition research firm Fusion GPS to compile incriminating information on Trump. Fusion GPS in turn hired Christopher Steele, a former British MI6 operative with sources among Russian government officials. The result was the salacious dossier, whose sources included “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure” and “a former top level intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin.” Steele’s work was paid for by Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee. That means a paid agent of the Clinton campaign approached Russian officials for damaging material on Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-clinton-campaign-sought-dirt-on-trump-from-russian-officials-wheres-the-outrage/2018/08/02/dee4be12-9672-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html?utm_term=.676d0ffcdbaa

In April 2016, attorney Marc Elias separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC. The Free Beacon stopped its backing when Trump became the presumptive Republican Partypresidential nominee.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. His instructions were to seek answers to why Trump would "repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

There also were several instances in which Americans’ unmasked names were improperly shared inside the intelligence community without being redacted, a violation of the so-called minimization procedures that Obama loosened in 2011 that are supposed to protect Americans' identity from disclosure when they are intercepted without a warrant. Numerous times improperly unmasked information about Americans had to be recalled and purged after the fact, the memos stated.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/343785-newly-declassified-memos-detail-extent-of-improper-obama-era-nsa

US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.
The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.
Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html
 

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Of course everyone latches onto the Mueller part ignoring everything else. I guess if I left that out no one would have any comments about all the other BS that SJW's and the Left have done to America?

And no this was not an account suicide, its my rambling thoughts on how everything that was said Trump would do to America and make it a horrible place has basically been done by his detractors who can't help but lie, deceive and divide the American people.
 

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Doesn't mean that what's in the Dossier isn't true or shouldn't be looked into or is fake.


Thats an opinion piece.




I would like answers to that as well. We all should.




The information was not properly handled. We knew this already. You implied that Obama himself is the one that leaked the names. He wasn't.



What does that have to do with Obama though? Obama had no control over who the FBI and other law enforcement agencies wiretap. You made it sound like Obama was directly involved in a nefarious way. He wasn't. Trump wasn't even the focus of the investigation. Manafort was. You said that they were spying on a candidate. They weren't. Thats what I am trying to point out to you.


What about the rest? Where are people being forced to find others attractive? (I know exactly what you are referring to and its absurd you think that is gonna work)
 
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Doesn't mean that what's in the Dossier isn't true or shouldn't be looked into or is fake/false


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-clinton-campaign-sought-dirt-on-trump-from-russian-officials-wheres-the-outrage/2018/08/02/dee4be12-9672-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html?utm_term=.676d0ffcdbaa

Thats an opinion piece.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

I would like answers to that as well. We all should.


https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/343785-newly-declassified-memos-detail-extent-of-improper-obama-era-nsa

The information was not properly handled. We knew this already.


https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html


What does that have to do with Obama though? Obama had no control over who the FBI and other law enforcement agencies wiretap. You made it sound like Obama was directly involved in a nefarious way. He wasn't.


What about the rest? Where are people being forced to find others attractive? (I know exactly what you are referring to and its absurd you think that is gonan work)
Well I never made judgment on the document, I said it was paid for by the dems and is one of the main impetuses of this whole collusion theory. Its common knowledge that Fusion GPS was first funded by Republicans and then by the DNC.

I edited the part of Obama since I don't have a non partisan source that would be acceptable.

The rest? Covington, Jussi, MAGA hat=KKK hood, Deadnaming, Transphobic if you don't find a transgender attractive, AOC new green deal and Bernie, Dems calls for Open Borders and AOC saying Lations have migrant rights and are native Americans. I mean dude you read this board I don't think I need to source those comments just go into the threads. Hell go into the thread you started and refused to update for 11 days because the updates didn't fit your narrative of a black man being lynched by maga hat wearing racists.
 
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Of course everyone latches onto the Mueller part ignoring everything else. I guess if I left that out no one would have any comments about all the other BS that SJW's and the Left have done to America?

And no this was not an account suicide, its my rambling thoughts on how everything that was said Trump would do to America and make it a horrible place has basically been done by his detractors who can't help but lie, deceive and divide the American people.
Trump was never supposed to win. He’s an outsider to the all inclusive American political machine. Some of this can be attributed to the blowback of him being elected. I’m just thankful that he don’t give a shit and fights back.
 
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Trump was never supposed to win. He’s an outsider to the all inclusive American political machine. Some of this can be attributed to the blowback of him being elected. I’m just thankful that he don’t give a shit and fights back.
Honestly, the Look on his face when he found out he won... was of absolute surprise. IMO
 

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Well I never made judgment on the document, I said it was paid for by the dems and is one of the main impetuses of this whole collusion theory. Its common knowledge that Fusion GPS was first funded by Republicans and then by the DNC.

I edited the part of Obama since I don't have a non partisan source that would be acceptable.
Fair enough.

The rest? Covington,
Was a mess from all sides. Everyone agrees on that.

If its proven he orchestrated all of this he should be charged and ridiculed. Nobody is saying he shouldn't be.

MAGA hat=KKK hood
Not getting into that circular rabbit hole again.


Deadnaming
What about it?

Transphobic if you don't find a transgender attractive
Not true. No sane person is gonna say that.

AOC new green deal and Bernie
And?

Dems calls for Open Borders
What Democrat has publicly called for Open Borders or attempted to make legislation for it?

Hell go into the thread you started and refused to update for 11 days because the updates didn't fit your narrative of a black man being lynched by maga hat wearing racists.
Thats not what happened. I already explained myself in that thread and I already covered my thoughts on what should happen to him if he is lying.


You are cherrypicking isolated examples of things you don't like and then pretending that it represents America as a whole. I recognize it because I myself have done it before when I have gotten worked up about a problem or issue. But it doesn't make it true.
 
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Fair enough.



Was a mess from all sides. Everyone agrees on that.



If its proven he orchestrated all of this he should be charged and ridiculed. Nobody is saying he shouldn't be.



Not getting into that circular rabbit hole again.




What about it?



Not true. No sane person is gonna say that.



And?



What Democrat has publicly called for Open Borders?



Thats not what happened. I already explained myself in that thread and I already covered my thoughts on what should happen to him if he is lying.


You are cherrypicking isolated examples of things you don't like and then pretending that it represents America as a whole. It doesn't.
You mean how the left does exactly that with articles and tweets saying how Trumps America is racist/homophobic/transphobic whatever? Ya what I am saying is that the left built up the boogeyman in Trump and lies through its teeth to paint him as spreading racisim and hatred across the nation, when the reality is its the left that is doing all of these things. Trumps America isn't the dystopian hell hole they sold everyone on. Trump isn't the next Hitler and he hasn't turned the US into a fascist country. But the actions of the left have. Using physical violence and embarrassment against someone due to their political beliefs is facisim and thats what the left does and advocates for against someone who supports Trump. The left literally lies in and with the media to paint Trump supporters as racist. The left wants to control what we wear, what slogans we use, what pronouns we use, how we view sex and who we have sex with. If it was up to SJW's and the left not finding a transgedner women attractive means you are transphobic because they are "real" women. You are transphobic if you don't allow these "real" women to go and beat the asses of ciswomen in sports.

Open your eyes to the direction your country is going in and realize that its not because of boogeyman Trump. Its because of the lies of those with TDS who will stoop to the lowest level possible to get at this man.
 

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Some of those examples are derived from stories in the mainstream, recent ones at that. Surely everyone's heard of the Covington kids/Nathan Phillips story and Jussie Smollett claiming he was the victim of a hate crime. I can't blame anyone for wanting to tune out Russian collusion. If you followed these stories beyond initial reporting then you understand just how misleading they were and can begin to understand where he's coming from with this thread.

Trump and his supporters aren't some national threat. The media generally portrays them as offenders while everyone else is the victim when reality is closer to the opposite. They're just Americans supporting their president, Americans that are constantly under attack for that support. Those in the media, political operatives and even elected officials taking advantage of the divisiveness they continue to perpetuate are so desperate to make Trump and his supporters look bad that they have to create fake stories or twist the facts so much the stories no longer bear any resemblance to the truth. That should bother everyone, even those that want to see Trump removed from office.
 

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You mean how the left does exactly that with articles and tweets saying how Trumps America is racist/homophobic/transphobic whatever? Ya what I am saying is that the left built up the boogeyman in Trump and lies through its teeth to paint him as spreading racisim and hatred across the nation, when the reality is its the left that is doing all of these things. Trumps America isn't the dystopian hell hole they sold everyone on. Trump isn't the next Hitler and he hasn't turned the US into a fascist country. But the actions of the left have. Using physical violence and embarrassment against someone due to their political beliefs is facisim and thats what the left does and advocates for against someone who supports Trump. The left literally lies in and with the media to paint Trump supporters as racist. The left wants to control what we wear, what slogans we use, what pronouns we use, how we view sex and who we have sex with. If it was up to SJW's and the left not finding a transgedner women attractive means you are transphobic because they are "real" women. You are transphobic if you don't allow these "real" women to go and beat the asses of ciswomen in sports.

Open your eyes to the direction your country is going in and realize that its not because of boogeyman Trump. Its because of the lies of those with TDS who will stoop to the lowest level possible to get at this man.
You are being unreasonable either intentionally or unintentionally and that makes it really hard to have an actual discussion.
 

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You are being unreasonable either intentionally or unintentionally and that makes it really hard to have an actual discussion.
Not as unreasonable as GQ

Whiteness in 21st century America has an endgame, and it is this: to divest itself from the shame of its power, while working to revive the fear it needs in which to thrive. And there is work being done, work done by panels of respectable-seeming men and women on cable news networks dismissing the red MAGA hat as innocuous, work done by politicians who continue to openly lie about the danger immigrants pose to Americans while choosing to ignore that almost all violent extremist crime is committed by right-wing terrorists, by the refusal to acknowledge that bigotry is alive and well, perpetrated by racists and homophobes targeting people like Smollett, criminals who have no qualms in sharing what motivates them. Hate needs to sign its work. That's how hate persists.
But I guess since I am not published in a national magazine with years of history I am unreasonable.
 

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Not as unreasonable as GQ



But I guess since I am not published in a national magazine with years of history I am unreasonable.
Everything you accuse the left of doing the Right does as well.


You claim the main stream media lies about Trump? Trump lies about them and other things as well.

You claim members of the left use threats and violence against those they don't like? So do members of the Right.


And so on and so forth.
 
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I think things are going pretty good for the most part. Our country is in a great place. 10s have been way better than 00s.
 

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Not as unreasonable as GQ



But I guess since I am not published in a national magazine with years of history I am unreasonable.
GQ is a men's fashion magazine lol. Not exactly a bastion of high quality, thoughtful, balanced journalism.
 

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Wait, who was calling for the death of children with a MAGA hat?
Like these?



There were lots of others that, while not calling for death, definitely advocated violence against them.



These weren't just random twitter users. They were blue checkmarks. And none of their accounts have been banned.
 
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Like these?



There were lots of others that, while not calling for death, definitely advocated violence against them.



These weren't just random twitter users. They were blue checkmarks. And none of their accounts have been banned.
People who threaten with personal harm over political differences like this should be arrested.
Edit: we’d be able fill one prison with Era alone.
 
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You must've had quite a laugh typing this out.

Don't you have some crow to eat in the Jussie Smollet propaganda thread you started?
No? I already gave my thoughts on the possibility of it being a hoax and what should happen to him if it is.
 
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Trump's America - where you can promise 40 million dumb-dumbs that Mexico is going to pay for an unnecessary wall and then shutdown the government when congress refuses to give you American taxpayer money to do it instead. What an America!
 

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Trump's America - where you can promise 40 million dumb-dumbs that Mexico is going to pay for an unnecessary wall and then shutdown the government when congress refuses to give you American taxpayer money to do it instead. What an America!
Not just that.


But try and declare a "National Emergency" that even Trump himself admits isn't necessary in order to bypass the democratic process so he can just take taxpayers money and their land for the wall without asking for congressional approval.

#MAGA #SAD #TREMENDOUS #YUGE


(Lucky for America there is the judicial system)
 
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No? I already gave my thoughts on the possibility of it being a hoax and what should happen to him if it is.
It is a hoax, and there is plenty of evidence of that. The fact that he claims the (accented) gay Nigerians called him a n-word and f-word is enough to prove him a liar, and him removing their numbers from his call log proves a conspiracy.
 

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It is a hoax, and there is plenty of evidence of that. The fact that he claims the (accented) gay Nigerians called him a n-word and f-word is enough to prove him a liar, and him removing their numbers from his call log proves a conspiracy.
Okay? Then my post in that thread still applies then. Thats why I said "If its a hoax".
 
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Trump's America - where you can promise 40 million dumb-dumbs that Mexico is going to pay for an unnecessary wall and then shutdown the government when congress refuses to give you American taxpayer money to do it instead. What an America!
I'm willing to bet there are a lot more Trump haters that bought that line about Mexico directly paying for the wall than Trump supporters - confirmation bias and all that. "He's stupid, they're stupid, that's never going to happen" except there are interviews with groups of Trump supporters from a variety of media outlets since the 2016 election that shows they weren't taking it literally. Yet, two months after Trump explicitly stated his wall would be made up of steel slats there are still Democrats (and their supporters) referring to it as a 2,000 mile concrete barrier. What does that tell you about Dem supporters?

You want to believe Trump and his supporters thought a 2,000 mile concrete border would be paid by Mexico because it helps you insult their intelligence. The truth cuts through that.

There's no shortage of stupidity in the world. If you're trying to pin it to one political party or another you might need to take a step back and have a look at the bigger picture.
 

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I'm willing to bet there are a lot more Trump haters that bought that line about Mexico directly paying for the wall than Trump supporters - confirmation bias and all that. "He's stupid, they're stupid, that's never going to happen" except there are interviews with groups of Trump supporters from a variety of media outlets since the 2016 election that shows they weren't taking it literally. Yet, two months after Trump explicitly stated his wall would be made up of steel slats there are still Democrats (and their supporters) referring to it as a 2,000 mile concrete barrier. What does that tell you about Dem supporters?

You want to believe Trump and his supporters thought a 2,000 mile concrete border would be paid by Mexico because it helps you insult their intelligence. The truth cuts through that.

There's no shortage of stupidity in the world. If you're trying to pin it to one political party or another you might need to take a step back and have a look at the bigger picture.
It doesn't matter who bought Trumps lies or not. The point is that he made them and yet somehow that is never acknowledged by Trump supporters. In fact Trump supporters never seem to acknowledge the mountain of lies that Trump spews out on a regular basis.


I can't imagine why that is.
 

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It doesn't matter who bought Trumps lies or not. The point is that he made them and yet somehow that is never acknowledged by Trump supporters. In fact Trump supporters never seem to acknowledge the mountain of lies that Trump spews out on a regular basis.

I can't imagine why that is.
It's not acknowledged as a lie because it was a remark understood to be open to interpretation, something that seems lost on you. If even the stereotypical old, white conservatives usually mocked in the media understood that promise was open to interpretation and wasn't to be taken literally why did you take it as such?
 

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It's not acknowledged as a lie because it was a remark understood to be open to interpretation, something that seems lost on you. If even the stereotypical old, white conservatives usually mocked in the media understood that promise was open to interpretation and wasn't to be taken literally why did you take it as such?
Nah thats not gonna fly. A lie is a lie no matter how you wanna try and twist it or leave it up to interpretation. If someone makes a direct statement like "Mexico is gonna pay for the wall" then that is not up for interpretation. It is a direct claim. A false one at that. False claims are known to most people as "lies" or at the very least "mistakes".


If he had made the statement only a handful of times or had properly explained his literal meaning to the public while he was parading around the country at one of his circus rallies then you would have a point.


But he didn't. So you don't.
 
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Nah thats not gonna fly. A lie is a lie no matter how you wanna try and twist it or leave it up to interpretation. If someone makes a direct statement like "Mexico is gonna pay for the wall" then that is not up for interpretation. It is a direct claim. A false one at that. False claims are known to most people as "lies".


If he had made the statement only a handful of times or had properly explained differently to the public while he was parading around the country at one of his circus rallies then you would have a point.


But he didn't. So you don't.
You sidestepped the question - why did you take that literally?
 

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You sidestepped the question - why did you take that literally?
I took it literally because he meant it literally at the time because the imbecile was trying to fool his base, but it was never feasible. The fact he has not addressed the claim since then when its been brought up and the administrations constant attempts to avoid admitting it was a lie is proof of that. If it was such an innocent and innocuous claim like you are saying then why hasn't Trump just simply owned it? Why not just admit thats not what he meant? Why go through so much trouble to try and lie to the american people and tell them they aren't gonna pay for it?



"Other agencies" ? Agencies that are funded with........you guessed it! American Tax Dollars. They are trying to pay for the wall with taxpayer money. She is lying. He is lying. His administration is lying.



So don't bullshit me that Trump wasn't being literal or that he wasn't trying to fool anyone. Or that its only the Left misunderstanding him. They refuse to admit that his claim about Mexico was a lie and keep trying to avoid the truth of that fact publicly. His administration has gone out of its way to lie through its teeth about the funding for the wall and has been doing so since he took office. Only very recently have they dropped the act entirely, but now they don't even acknowledge the original claim at all. Now he is trying to hijack that funding without approval from congress via his so called "emergency" and seize private land in order to build it as well.
 
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