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[ghst]

I just realized one of my main problems with TFA, where it pales in comparison to A New Hope. Nothing really ever feels pressing in the movie. Like compare Starkiller Base to the original Death Star. The trench run in ANH is one of my favourite scenes of all time. It's basically perfect. Luke ends up stopping the Death Star right at the last moment. It's ready to fire, and about to destroy Yaven IV, when he makes that shot that saves the rebellion, destroying it. There was no time for anything else. The sequence leaves me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

Compare how they destroy Starkiller Base. It's destruction is so slow and plodding. The First Order is able to freaking evacuate most of its people, and both Rey and Kylo Ren were able to get off. It just feels so dull. A giant space station is exploding, but it doesn't feel pressing.

you're comparing a wonderfully crafted and iconic piece of cinema to a shoehorned in brand association pander job cranked out on a render farm. not really fair.

This is so silly. It's a SW film with original characters with a familiar plot. It's a SW film and I never felt like it was anything else.

not sure how you can feel immersed in a star wars film when the hack director is screaming IT'S ME, STAR WARS. REMEMBER THIS SHIT MATE? followed up by another abrupt change of scene, a few rapid fire marvel zingers and some dutch tilt shakycam bollocks that veers as far from the david lean esque composition of the originals as possible.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Way too much poetry.

Rey was a swiss army knife without parents.

Finn is supposed to be a kidnapped kid raised by space Nazi's and they treat it like it was part time job at Mcdonalds he did for 2 weeks. By the time he walks into town on Jakku, he's your typical summer movie charming but slightly goofy sidekick.

Poe Dameron character description: He funny and he fly good.

I pray a double door refrigerator falls on Kylo Ren's head in the first 20 minutes of VIII. Fuck that chump.

Han Solo died a terrible death.

"I know he just killed 10 billion people and murdered my brother in law's entire Jedi compound but I know there's still good in him."

Nah, your son is space Dylann Roof. My advice is shoot first so he doesn't kill another 10 billion.

 

[Vice]

About as good as ROTJ. It felt like a cash grab, but the series has always had tons of crash grab elements even in the OT. Fun with a couple of emotional scenes. Excited for the sequels and new EU stuff that will take the characters in a new direction.

As far as order goes ANH > ESB >TFA =RotJ > RotS = TPM >AotC

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Loved it. Would be my favorite film of 2015 if not for Mad Max.

The hate baffles me.

It's a very vocal minority. It's a nearly universally loved movie. And when something is loved so much, those who don't like it get really fucking annoyed. It's the Nickelback effect.

 

[Adam429]

honestly, the thing that hurt me most about TFA was, absurdly enough, not Han’s death. in fact, I kind of wish the other two had gone with him–because then, at least, they’d be out of their misery.

and that’s the problem. Han, Luke, and Leia? they are miserable in TFA. everything has burned down around them. they are lost, broken, and afraid again–and not just in the way that all of the new, highly stressful conflicts that would surely have come upon three people winning a war and establishing a new government would be burdened and broken. rather, these are three people who fought, and bled, and died, and broke, and then found peace and healing and hope…only to be broken again. and again. and still yet again.

and that’s…that’s not okay with me.

look, I already love the new trio to bits. I love the prequel trio to bits. but the original trio? the infamous smuggler, the naive farmboy, and the bossy princess? it was those three who I have–and hopefully always will–held to in the darkness, and looked to not only for hope, but even for healing and guidance.

and that was the message of the original trilogy, I think: that there is hope even in the darkest of times. that light will prevail, and that darkness will be vanquished. that family will reunite, and that even he worst pain can be healed. that love, of many different kinds, is the most powerful bond in all of the galaxy, and that to love is the greatest weapon and protection that one can have.

and Leia? specifically Leia? well, she has, quite literally, saved my life. she gave me a very specific hope: that, even despite incredible pain, and horrifying trauma, you are able to heal. that, even more than you are able to heal, you deserve to heal and find both peace and happiness.

but then….

but then.

but then The Force Awakens happened. and, given the fact that you’re reading this despite my spoiler warning, I’m going to guess that you know what they did to the original trio.

they broke them.

not only did they break the characters, though. they broke all of the lessons that the original trilogy as a whole taught as well.

the lesson that light will always prevail, and that darkness will ultimately fall?

that triumph is only momentarily, apparently (according to TFA), because in the end the darkness will always reemerge. the fight will never be over. the war will never be won. it is doom and destiny that the burdens of both you and your ancestors will be placed on the increasingly bowed shoulders of your children, and your children’s children. there is no victory. not really. because the nature of humanity (or whatever the GFFA equivalent of “humanity” is) is inherently depraved, evil and greedy and lustful for power and gold. so no matter what temporary victory is attained, the peace will always fall into disrepair, the heroes into temptation and evil.

it tells that, even in the joy of victory and the hope of peace, the seeds of darkness and future despair and destruction will be sown.

but even worse? even worse, it says “*beep* healing.” it shows that you are doomed to regress, destined to fall back into the same old habits you once had. you may become a better, healthier, happier person for a moment–but ultimately you will fall again. you will fall, and you will return to your base state which is, apparently, misery and sorrow and despair.

there is no healing for the heroes.

(so why should there be healing for anyone?)

and what makes this all even worse? is that it was all done so carelessly, and all for the sake of a “new, big, exciting story” that was ultimately little more than a retelling of the original.

 

[The Scollard]

you're comparing a wonderfully crafted and iconic piece of cinema to a shoehorned in brand association pander job cranked out on a render farm. not really fair.

Even with the Death Star 2.0, when they struck the killing blow, it was destroyed immediately. Lando blew up the thing at the centre, and the rest of the station blew up seconds later, causing a wave of fire to chase down the Millennium Falcon, where the heroes barely escape.

Starkiller Base doesn't even have THAT. They destroy the big weird hexagon thing (power converter?), and then it takes 10 minutes to blow up. How do you screw up building tension that badly?

 

[HollowCentral]

you're comparing a wonderfully crafted and iconic piece of cinema to a shoehorned in brand association pander job cranked out on a render farm. not really fair.

Disney doesn't really make movies anymore, just franchises they can turn into merchandise.

 

[CD'S BAR]

honestly, the thing that hurt me most about TFA was, absurdly enough, not Han’s death. in fact, I kind of wish the other two had gone with him–because then, at least, they’d be out of their misery.

and that’s the problem. Han, Luke, and Leia? they are miserable in TFA. everything has burned down around them. they are lost, broken, and afraid again–and not just in the way that all of the new, highly stressful conflicts that would surely have come upon three people winning a war and establishing a new government would be burdened and broken. rather, these are three people who fought, and bled, and died, and broke, and then found peace and healing and hope…only to be broken again. and again. and still yet again.

and that’s…that’s not okay with me.

look, I already love the new trio to bits. I love the prequel trio to bits. but the original trio? the infamous smuggler, the naive farmboy, and the bossy princess? it was those three who I have–and hopefully always will–held to in the darkness, and looked to not only for hope, but even for healing and guidance.

and that was the message of the original trilogy, I think: that there is hope even in the darkest of times. that light will prevail, and that darkness will be vanquished. that family will reunite, and that even he worst pain can be healed. that love, of many different kinds, is the most powerful bond in all of the galaxy, and that to love is the greatest weapon and protection that one can have.

and Leia? specifically Leia? well, she has, quite literally, saved my life. she gave me a very specific hope: that, even despite incredible pain, and horrifying trauma, you are able to heal. that, even more than you are able to heal, you deserve to heal and find both peace and happiness.

but then….

but then.

but then The Force Awakens happened. and, given the fact that you’re reading this despite my spoiler warning, I’m going to guess that you know what they did to the original trio.

they broke them.

not only did they break the characters, though. they broke all of the lessons that the original trilogy as a whole taught as well.

the lesson that light will always prevail, and that darkness will ultimately fall?

that triumph is only momentarily, apparently (according to TFA), because in the end the darkness will always reemerge. the fight will never be over. the war will never be won. it is doom and destiny that the burdens of both you and your ancestors will be placed on the increasingly bowed shoulders of your children, and your children’s children. there is no victory. not really. because the nature of humanity (or whatever the GFFA equivalent of “humanity” is) is inherently depraved, evil and greedy and lustful for power and gold. so no matter what temporary victory is attained, the peace will always fall into disrepair, the heroes into temptation and evil.

it tells that, even in the joy of victory and the hope of peace, the seeds of darkness and future despair and destruction will be sown.

but even worse? even worse, it says “*beep* healing.” it shows that you are doomed to regress, destined to fall back into the same old habits you once had. you may become a better, healthier, happier person for a moment–but ultimately you will fall again. you will fall, and you will return to your base state which is, apparently, misery and sorrow and despair.

there is no healing for the heroes.

(so why should there be healing for anyone?)

and what makes this all even worse? is that it was all done so carelessly, and all for the sake of a “new, big, exciting story” that was ultimately little more than a retelling of the original.

Wow if the movie had actually communicated that as articulately as you put it, it would be better than Empire. I think you give it too much credit.

 

[Dominator]

Completely average. Dislike it more as time goes by. Better than the prequels but that wasn't a difficult feat.

 

[ironmang]

Even with the Death Star 2.0, when they struck the killing blow, it was destroyed immediately. Lando blew up the thing at the centre, and the rest of the station blew up seconds later, causing a wave of fire to chase down the Millennium Falcon, where the heroes barely escape.

Starkiller Base doesn't even have THAT. They destroy the big weird hexagon thing (power converter?), and then it takes 10 minutes to blow up. How do you screw up building tension that badly?

Instead of 1 planet it blew up several and nobody gave a shit. They wanted another Death Star to fit the nostalgia theme but had no idea what to do with it lol.

 

[not psycho]

"I know he just killed 10 billion people and murdered my brother in law's entire Jedi compound but I know there's still good in him."

Your version is better than the actual line.

Leia: "There is still light in him. And by light, I mean the light side of the force. You remember the force, Han, from those Star Wars movies we were in. Audience, you remember, right? You love the force. As I was saying, there is still some light side of the force in him, whatever that means."

 

[TAJ]

Even with the Death Star 2.0, when they struck the killing blow, it was destroyed immediately. Lando blew up the thing at the centre, and the rest of the station blew up seconds later, causing a wave of fire to chase down the Millennium Falcon, where the heroes barely escape.

Starkiller Base doesn't even have THAT. They destroy the big weird hexagon thing (power converter?), and then it takes 10 minutes to blow up. How do you screw up building tension that badly?

It made no sense. That containment field was holding an entire star inside it. Any breach and that planet should have vanished instantly.

 

[CD'S BAR]

Even with the Death Star 2.0, when they struck the killing blow, it was destroyed immediately. Lando blew up the thing at the centre, and the rest of the station blew up seconds later, causing a wave of fire to chase down the Millennium Falcon, where the heroes barely escape.

Starkiller Base doesn't even have THAT. They destroy the big weird hexagon thing (power converter?), and then it takes 10 minutes to blow up. How do you screw up building tension that badly?

It's so they didn't have to write 10 more minutes of actual story.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Its awesome. The humor is great, the new characters are endearing, the action is exciting, and they actually got a good performance out of Harrison Ford. Up there with the first movie as my favorites in the series.

 

[Nielm]

I really liked it, up until Leia comes into the film.

The first half of the film did a good job of introducing you to the world, allowing you to get to know the characters/understand their motivations etc. Then it just becomes A New Hope. I wish the film went into the characters' backstories a bit more, the last act of the film let it down.

Kylo Ren was disappointing, and Rey's sudden proficiency in the force made him seem weak.

It was easily better than The Phantom Menace/Attack of The Clones.

 

[Not]

Second best Star Wars movie.

 

[J2 Cool]

/shrug

pretty okay.

 

[Laieon]

I absolutely loved it. Might be my 2nd favorite Star Wars movie, right behind Return of the Jedi.

 

[gutter_trash]

I like TFA but I can't LOVE it because it is too much of a soft retelling of ANH, which makes TFA a tad lazy

+ Han and Flynn's venture on Star Killer Base was way too brief and short

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Awesome movie!

Predictable that good ol neogaf would hate it tho

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

It's well made but I don't really like it. The recycling of Episode IV plot points and OT aesthetics went way too far; it's so busy being an homage that it doesn't have time to be something good and distinctive in its own right.

Moving beyond plot, the old Expanded Universe had a lot of shit-tier work, but there was also enough good stuff to use as inspiration for how they could have handled the world building in this new trilogy. In VII, it never feels as if there's a new status quo, because the movie is laser focused on the new rebels struggling against the new empire and their efforts to try and take down the new death star. The only thing the new death star manages to do before it blows up is to decapitate the republic fleet, because we have to make sure that even though the conflict is now going to technically be waged between a galaxy spanning government and a comparatively tiny group of imperials who hid out on some unknown planets brooding for 25 years, we still need the big bad empire to be in the lead.

In terms of characters, I'm indifferent. The new cast are fine, likeable in their own way, but they have a long way to go if they hope to become as iconic as the originals. Lucas wasn't able to accomplish that with the PT, so it's not like I can singularly hold it against Disney, but still, if you are going to invite every possible comparison to your own predecessors as possible like VII does, I'm going to be thinking about it as I watch. I think Kylo was a fail, not in terms of his personality (which is somewhat interesting, like he's Darth Conrad Verner), but because they haven't made him feel threatening. He was off to a good start with the opening scene and his fits of rage, but losing in movie 1 means they might have to just sideline him so that darth snookums or some other dark jedi can be the main threat later. It won't feel super intimidating when you know he got clowned already.

 

[TheXbox]

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You've described the one downside to an "Episode VII" in the most abstract. It requires conflict, and conflict defeats the triumph in Return of the Jedi. If they bring back the original cast, like we all wanted them to do, it implicates their failure.

This isn't totally out of line with Lucas'... philosophy, I suppose you'd call it. He's talked about the cycle of tyranny -> democracy -> tyranny as perpetual and inevitable, like society's samsara. We've already got that with the first six films, but in an upbeat context (republic -> autocracy -> republic). Episode VII invites the next step of that cycle. You don't have to agree with Lucas - maybe you interpret the original films as saying something different - but that was always his intent. I don't think he would have done things much differently in this respect.

Would you feel differently if Episode VIII revealed Luke was not "broken"? If he were actually proactive, rather than merely wasting away on a rock? I think it's a foregone conclusion to say that Luke is broken, or was broken. We don't know why he left or what he's been up to. I don't think Leia is broken either. She's got her shit together, all things considered.

If Luke has actually been sitting with a thumb up his ass ever since his nephew turned to the dark side, then I'm with you. I don't believe that's the case, but if that's Rian Johnson's vision then I object. I can't accept that kind of bitterness in Star Wars.

 

[mugurumakensei]

it's the only star wars film I never bought. have no plans too either. I saw it twice in theaters cause two groups of friends wanted to see it.

I liked Finn and Kylo Ren.

 

[Daingurse]

I'm part of the "Kylo Ren is Great" faction as well. His search for identity is interesting.

Kylo Ren is the most interesting thing in the whole movie. Very compelling character.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Second best Star Wars movie.

After letting it settle these many months: I agree.

 

[Lasthope106]

A repackaging of Episode 4 for the new generation. Having watched the original I just couldn't believe the amount of retelling they did. It was entertaining, but it was far from being the best Star Wars movie.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Thought it was ok at first but by now I'd rank it as one if not the worst Star Wars movie. Even liked the prequels better than this one. At least those were trying to do something new. TFA was a cheap cash grab with a horribly incomplete story.

 

[TransTrender]

Overall I thought it was OK. Definitely better than any of the prequel movies and that goes without question. However I'm super, duper, ridiculously hyped for Rogue One. Much more so than I was for TFA.

 

[Owed T'Alex]

Only energetic performances from the new cast saved the movie. every setting felt like an obvious retread, especially the maz fort/cantina lite. That music...I distinctly remember thinking, "maybe this isn't as shitty as I think it is," but it was.

Everything up to han solo was OK. Everything after felt uninspired.

 

[Xe4]

I like it a lot. It's disappointing that it borrowed so much, but that's no reason to hate it and spew the "worst Star Wars ever/worse than the prequels" shit I've seen occasionally. I think Return of the Jedi is proof that The Force Awakens deserves to be well liked by fans, mainly because Return of the Jedi is beloved and does almost everything TFA did wrong, but worse.

People complained about Starkiller base being like the death star... Well, how about literally getting the death star again. RotJ used a throwaway line in the crawl about it being "more powerful," but we never saw how. It was just a hollow justification for using the same weapon again. TFA actually did evolve it and make it substantially more dangerous, which is what it should have been in RotJ all along.


People say TFA didn't have enough new worlds... RotJ gave us Tatooine and Degobah again, with Endor being the only real new location and it was soundly one of the dullest in the original trilogy. TFA gave us Jakku, which was like Tatooine but at least pretended to be different, but also anch to, Maz's planet, and the Starkiller base forest, all of which are gorgeous places. TFA was soundly more interesting and innovative with its worlds.


Then you've got the plot rehashing. RotJ has Luke going to Degobah to visit Yoda again, another X wing battle against a death star in space, and another attempt at a big family revelation. TFA borrowed pretty much the whole structure of ANH, which is worse, but they used it purposefully to build up the characters and their relationships. The New Hope references weren't the real story; it was Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren coming together that mattered. So even if you wanted something entirely new, what they did functioned the way it was supposed to; they used familiar elements as a launching pad for the new ones. I'm not sure if RotJ's retreaded elements are used as effectively.

The general quality of TFA is also just better. The actors actually seem interested and really nail their characters, and aside from the rathtar sequence there really aren't any lulls. RotJ in comparison really gets dull once the ewoks start taking focus, to the point where I usually fast forward through it because it's so boring. I'm not even sure if we have to count the god awful CGI dance sequence that's been added in... I honestly think RotJ is saved by a great ending with Luke and Vader, while TFA is pretty consistently good all throughout.

I just don't see how anyone can love RotJ and dislike TFA for any reason other being too unstable to settle on an opinion yet. People have really shot all over the place, going from loving it at release to complaining about it after the ANH references became obvious, almost like people felt betrayed that there was a fault after they opened up and put their faith in Star Wars being good again. I think in a few years, especially with the next films adding layers of context, people will probably like TFA a lot more.



Exact same feeling here. I don't know what the fuck Lucas was thinking with Attack of the Clones, but it deserves that bottom rung.

I don't think comparing it to RotJ is doing TFA any sort of service considering it is considered the worst of the OT by many for the points you mentioned. Even then, while retreading many of the plot points of previous movies, RotJ is not a whole remake of ANH, which is pretty much what TFA is.

I still love it, but honestly, the only reason I put it above RotJ is because TFA didn't have fucking Ewoks. There was no scene in TFA that will ever stand out to me as much as the throne room scene, and that's a damn shame. Regaining people's trust is a cop out excuse, because if they did take a risk it could've gone wrong, but it also could've had some amazing moments, rather than the good moments it did have.

 

[120v]

my rating a year out is "In Progress"

on the surface it seems like a relatively lazy cash grab. but it could be sewing the seeds for something great... really depends on where ep 8 goes with it

totally blown away by the cinematography though. felt like i was watching a movie from 1980... in the future. if that makes sense

 

[Owari]

It was good. I was expecting more though. Hopefully Rogue One delivers that.

 

[Username1198]

I call it TFS The force snoozes I thought it was a bit boring.

 

[Wickerbasket]

I really wanted to like it, but I just found it to be a boring film filled with a lot of pandering to the old movies.

I'm hoping the other star wars movies will be better.

 

[Crimsonlink]

honestly, the thing that hurt me most about TFA was, absurdly enough, not Han’s death. in fact, I kind of wish the other two had gone with him–because then, at least, they’d be out of their misery.

and that’s the problem. Han, Luke, and Leia? they are miserable in TFA. everything has burned down around them. they are lost, broken, and afraid again–and not just in the way that all of the new, highly stressful conflicts that would surely have come upon three people winning a war and establishing a new government would be burdened and broken. rather, these are three people who fought, and bled, and died, and broke, and then found peace and healing and hope…only to be broken again. and again. and still yet again.

and that’s…that’s not okay with me.

look, I already love the new trio to bits. I love the prequel trio to bits. but the original trio? the infamous smuggler, the naive farmboy, and the bossy princess? it was those three who I have–and hopefully always will–held to in the darkness, and looked to not only for hope, but even for healing and guidance.

and that was the message of the original trilogy, I think: that there is hope even in the darkest of times. that light will prevail, and that darkness will be vanquished. that family will reunite, and that even he worst pain can be healed. that love, of many different kinds, is the most powerful bond in all of the galaxy, and that to love is the greatest weapon and protection that one can have.

and Leia? specifically Leia? well, she has, quite literally, saved my life. she gave me a very specific hope: that, even despite incredible pain, and horrifying trauma, you are able to heal. that, even more than you are able to heal, you deserve to heal and find both peace and happiness.

but then….

but then.

but then The Force Awakens happened. and, given the fact that you’re reading this despite my spoiler warning, I’m going to guess that you know what they did to the original trio.

they broke them.

not only did they break the characters, though. they broke all of the lessons that the original trilogy as a whole taught as well.

the lesson that light will always prevail, and that darkness will ultimately fall?

that triumph is only momentarily, apparently (according to TFA), because in the end the darkness will always reemerge. the fight will never be over. the war will never be won. it is doom and destiny that the burdens of both you and your ancestors will be placed on the increasingly bowed shoulders of your children, and your children’s children. there is no victory. not really. because the nature of humanity (or whatever the GFFA equivalent of “humanity” is) is inherently depraved, evil and greedy and lustful for power and gold. so no matter what temporary victory is attained, the peace will always fall into disrepair, the heroes into temptation and evil.

it tells that, even in the joy of victory and the hope of peace, the seeds of darkness and future despair and destruction will be sown.

but even worse? even worse, it says “*beep* healing.” it shows that you are doomed to regress, destined to fall back into the same old habits you once had. you may become a better, healthier, happier person for a moment–but ultimately you will fall again. you will fall, and you will return to your base state which is, apparently, misery and sorrow and despair.

there is no healing for the heroes.

(so why should there be healing for anyone?)

and what makes this all even worse? is that it was all done so carelessly, and all for the sake of a “new, big, exciting story” that was ultimately little more than a retelling of the original.

You did it man! I wish I could give you a hug to show how much your post rings true. This is exactly my feelings.

Luke Skywalker was my childhood hero and seeing him reduced down to a hermit was painful. I'm holding out for Episode VIII to give some kind of good justification about why Luke abandoned the Galaxy and the Jedi to hide away. Maybe he is working against Snoke somehow already. Han dying before seeing his brother-in-law again and having a last moment with Leia was just sad. Leia looks broken and nowhere near a leader of the resistance.

If you are gonna treat the original heroes of SW series like this then just fucking kill them off from the start. Luke would have trained someone by now that could have trained Rey for her Jedi skills.

Rey's part was total meh since it seemed like everything was handed to her. Piloting skills even though she seems to have never flown anything before. Jedi mind trick with no training when Luke couldn't even lift stuff with the force with little training. Saber skills enough to beat Kylo Ren in a duel.

Finn was just along for the ride and was one of the good parts of the movie.

Poe was just awesome in his flying and missed his chance to do more for the movie.

Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is such a shitty character. Seduced to the Emo side by that ugly ass Snoke and killed his uncle's academy somehow. But is a shitty lightsaber duelist and lost to someone who is brand new to the force and is 10 years or so younger than him.

30 something year old yet falls to the Emo side and wants to be like his Grandfather. I say Rey should give him what he wants and cut off all 4 limbs and leave him to burn on a volcanic planet and forced into a suit. Still hasn't completed his training which makes no fucking sense. Is Luke that bad of a teacher?

 

[Nerrel]

It's worse than the already bad Phantom Menace, and JJ Abrams is worse than the already bad Zack Snyder. Just a dreadful, deadly boring experience that not only attempts to tarnish old characters with its awfulness, but robs even that crime of any feeling. I think I would have preferred something flamboyantly bad and malicious, instead of a subdued, reverential assassin who quietly sucks the life out of a world only after the audience is so deeply bored that they can't summon the ability to care.

Come on. You're going to take two hours of bad dialog, bad acting, bad CGI, bad pacing, the dinosaur fucking farting in Jar Jar's face over a genuinely well made, if underwhelmingly safe, film?

 

[AxeMan]

Was a pretty much nothing movie for me.
Wasn't bad but wasn't good.
The main female character was rubbish though. Couldn't stand her performance. Ford was good I thought.
All up it was a normal movie with nothing remarkable about it. Doesn't make it a bad movie, just makes it another movie spun out of the machine

 

[Owari]

Come on. You're going to take two hours of bad dialog, bad acting, bad CGI, bad pacing, the dinosaur fucking farting in Jar Jar's face over a genuinely well made, if underwhelmingly safe, film?

The prequels fan edit with all the bullshit taken out is leagues better than TFA. & I liked TFA.

 

[Xun]

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I see why some may complain it's like ANH, but that's simply the case to safely start off the new films in my eyes.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Boring. forced me to sleep

 

[Unit 33]

It was fine.

It's right to demand more from it, as many have said in a more hyperbolic manner, the characters are a little simplistic.

The re-retreading of familiar designs is a bit hamfisted. The toy conmercial aspect to it is thinly veiled, but not nearly as obvious as perhaps Attack if the Clones; which was an excellent toy commercial.

 

[Kevtones]

Watched it on a plane 7 months after release... I hate flying and found it average.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I've seen it 3-4 times now and I still love it. I think the new cast are all great - Rey (she's tough and fragile at the same time), Finn (he's desperate to prove himself and hold on to the first true friend he's ever had), Poe (dude has swagger to spare), BB-8 (best droid /thumbs up) and Kylo Ren (an interesting villain who's actually conflicted, and again is desperate to prove himself and step out of his grandfather's shadow). The plot is fairly ho-hum, but I think that's okay as this film is more about establishing the new characters and passing the torch. The CGI is outstanding as one would expect, and the whole thing just has so much more chemistry and energy than the Prequel Trilogy.

 

[Einchy]

The prequels fan edit with all the bullshit taken out is leagues better than TFA. & I liked TFA.

I tired watching one of these fan edits and the editing was pretty sloppy.

 

[The Silver]

I realized one big thing that's made me so meh on the movie is that there's like hardly any worldbuilding, it doesn't feel like the Star Wars universe grew in TFA. Now if it was just that it wouldn't be too bad but coupled with how it doesn't really do much of its own thing and feels stuck in ANH it makes it that much worse.

I just feel like I got very little from the movie except hoping the sequels kick it into high gear since I actually do like Kylo Ren and see potential in ol Snokey, just give me something new to really chew on.

 

[eizarus]

Loved it. Knew that it was copying A New Hope too much, but it's the first Star Wars movie that made me appreciate why the generation that grew up with the original trilogy love it so much.

 

[Forkball]

I really enjoyed it and I'm glad I spent the extra couple of bucks to see it in the IMAX.

 

[Trokil]

Fanservice for people who want nothing new and only reaffirm their memories about something long gone. All cooked down, so nobody is offended and without any real heart.

It added nothing new and was about as innovative as the new Star Trek movies. Star Wars Clone Wars or Rebels was way better than this movie.

 

[True Savior]

A dull remake.

 

[scoobs]

3rd best Star Wars movie behind 4&5.

Pros: Beautiful, fun, great new characters, compelling villains, and

Spoiler

Solo's death

Cons: Story is a bit too familiar, General Hux is lame and a casting misfire