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What Do You Think About LGBT vs GSRM?
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personally i don't like a term that reinforces and reminds the world of our minority status, it feels like it's opening us up to be discounted (oh it's just a minority, who cares). it feels dis-empowering, which is exactly what you don't want from a title you give yourselves, whereas LGBT (+Q etc), seems more positive, more affirmative of singular identities that are all cool and worthy of their own respect and celebration.
Come on now. Isn't this being overly sensitive to the point of being delusional?
I'm having a hard time keeping up with all these labels tbh. I just hope we don't reach a point where people are afraid to join in the conversation because they might accidentally offend someone by using an obsolete label.
A Human Becoming
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Please inform me who 'queer' incorporates that lesbian and gay do not.
Blood Diamonds
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maybe if people stopped killing us and stopped denying us basic rights we wouldn't have to seek safety in other people that are like us
The "Ally" part usually replaces the "Asexual" part.
also ally is not a minority so
Rabbi_Vole
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Everything used to be so simple.
DOWN
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I haven't heard it replace asexual, so much as it just seeming to predate the widespread acknowledgement of asexual by LGBT advocates. Why not include both? If I were throwing an event, I'd want both A's to be there.
If I were trying to reduce stigmas regarding support for LGBT+ issues, I'd want my coworkers who are allies to be just as safe at work or in public from controversy for being outspoken supporters as I would hope to be. The allies are a part of the conversation, as far as I can see.
HUELEN10
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Polysexual people, androphiles and gynophiles to name a few...
A male-born person who identifies as male who exclusively likes male-gender identifying people completely regardless of the gentials cannot be homosexual, as that would imply the binary and focuses on the genitals exclusively; that person however could be an androphilic male, and thus queer without being homosexual, as he doesn't care if his man has a dick or a vag, or something else.
Boom Boom Pow
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gonna go on a limb here and say straight "nonspecial people" get murdered more than you guys
Jack Remington
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There were only two clearly gay characters in A Song of Ice and Fire, and one died pretty quickly while the other is a shell of his former self, so I'd say GRRM could do a lot better on the LGBT front.
For being straight?
Rabbi_Vole
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At what point does your sexuality become so complex you just say "fuck it?"
Yeah. That acronym would warrant some trigger warnings for sure. The color Red would be off limits entirely!
wow
really great post
misses the point so spectacularly that i'm not even sure what to say
Poodlestrike
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Whatever y'all decide on, please let me know. Keeping up with the terminology is exhausting, I keep accidentally offending people.
Boom Boom Pow
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straight. rich. poor. religious. non religious. everything.
fyi, in case you're wondering how straight would work, a girl marries dude she likes. family disapproves. family kills girl. her straightness led to her killing.
DOWN
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I'm not sure if you seriously don't realize it is talking about the rates of murder. LGBT people are considered criminal on that basis alone in many places, and death penalty for any behaviors considered to be related to it.
'bout the point when you feel compelled to start shouting it to the world, as far as I can tell from college.
From an outsider's perspective: Stick with LGBT. No idea what GSRM meant, and couldn't figure it out from the topic until it was spelled out. Not a good sign for a brand.
Nah, I don't agree. She wasn't killed because she's attracted to men.
Jack Remington
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In raw numbers maybe, but not in percentage terms.
The LGBT death rate in GRRM's fiction is 50% right now. 66.67% if you count that one friar who was into boys as a gay man.
Blood Diamonds
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are they targeted for being straight? are they unable to get married pretty much all around the world? are there laws in place that allow others to discriminate them for being straight? are people able to fire straight people just for being straight? are straight people the target of hate for many religions? is there "special therapy" that is mental torture that is supposed to make you not straight? do people get kicked out of their homes for being straight? were people burned alive for being straight? are straight people attacked bot verbally and physically when they go out in public with their significant other?
what a fucking mess
Poodlestrike
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This is probably a good reason to keep things as LGBT for now. At least until Game of Thrones wraps up, and people move on to the next big thing.
You should start a movement to support straights rights, I am sure you will attract a lot of straight sympathisers all around the world.
There are more straight people than LGBT people, so... No shit? What does that have to do with anything?
Unless you mean a higher percentage of straight people are murdered for being straight than queer people are for being queer. In that case, you're just delusional.
....Yup, delusional.
TheAbsolution
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I prefer LGBT. It's just more well known.
I'm not to comfortable with the other acronym.
I'm not to comfortable with the other acronym.
That new acronym sounds incredibly PC, politically correct. That instead of identifying lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transexuals, lets just wrap them up under a BIGGER umbrella
FYI, Your ignorance is showing.
Seconded. I think LGBTQ should be built up as a symbol rather than the finer points of the acronym being dissected.
this is so disingenuous and disgusting. you should feel ashamed.
Anton Sugar
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Hahaha, what the fuck are you talking about? She's not murdered BECAUSE she's straight, she's murdered because the family doesn't like the guy.
If she were murdered because she were straight, it inherently implies her family wants her to be a different orientation...which I very seriously doubt.
Sit down and think for a while, your posts will be better for it.
TheAbsolution
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That's generally how I feel.
It's just too mushy. I prefer a more well defined acronym if that makes any sense.
TheLostBigBoss
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Wow, talk about completely missing the point.
Maybe you should look at the "reasons" behind the killings...
NinjaTehFish
Banned
I just wish GSRM would finish the damn books.
I've never heard of it either. I prefer to just stick to LGBT since it's what I know. Acronyms are confusing enough as it is.
Exterminieren
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I feel like over-acronymisation is a severe problem with advocacy of this sort. It's sort of insular, like you need a handbook to understand and sympathise. I have problems with LGBT, but at least that's popularised enough that people understand. Trying to swap it out for a far more general acronym will serve no purpose other than confusion.
HUELEN10
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Out of curiosity, what problems do you have with LGBT?
Thanks for not letting that garbage post go unreplied.
When I walk in public and hold my fiancé's hand, it's often the looks and reactions (no matter positive or negative) that reinforce the fact that we are different. So we can at least choose our own labels.
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