cinnamonandgravy
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What does Microsoft need to do to improve the perception that they struggle to release games?
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No they won't, they're just pretending. Every annual showcase they come with a new stance. One year it's "we gotta show gameplay because people asked us" but they'll forget entirely about that next year and come with "we need to have release dates people wants something tangible this time". Then it's "There's been a lack of game, we gotta make announcements" and then "there was too much announcements and not enough gameplay", it's an infinite loop because they don't want you to focus on the fact that there is not enough releases and rather think they're just bad at marketing, when they're actually very smart.
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Fbh
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Aside from the most obvious things, which is release more games.
Maybe start announcing games when they are deep into development, you actually have things to show and a somewhat reasonable estimate of when it will release.
Hellblade was announced in 2019 and still hasn't a date, Everwild was announced the same year and is seemingly MIA, Fable and Perfect Dark were announced in 2020 and both have yet to show something that isn't CG, Avowed isn't much better having just showed a short "in engine" teaser since 2020, Outer Worlds 2 was announced a year later and joins the CGI only club.
Maybe start announcing games when they are deep into development, you actually have things to show and a somewhat reasonable estimate of when it will release.
Hellblade was announced in 2019 and still hasn't a date, Everwild was announced the same year and is seemingly MIA, Fable and Perfect Dark were announced in 2020 and both have yet to show something that isn't CG, Avowed isn't much better having just showed a short "in engine" teaser since 2020, Outer Worlds 2 was announced a year later and joins the CGI only club.
Sethbacca
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Step 1 - Buy up 3rd parties and ips
Step 2 - ????
Step 3 - Profit
Microsoft management are underpants gnomes confirmed.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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No doubt, Xbox is still missing a few key Nintendo/Sony-esque tent pole games that change the whole brand perception e.g. Mario, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, God of War, Last of Us etc. It's not a necessity but if Xbox wants to reach full potential they need them for sure. They already have some really great games (Gamepass fillers too), with plenty more on the way. It's been a sore point for Xbox.
Right now Xbox just needs to keep doing what they're doing for a sustained period. The lightning in the bottle will hit soon enough, more than twice by the roadmap of IPs and studios MS/Xbox helms now.
If Starfield is great, problem resolved for years. If Starfield sucks, problem continues for a little while longer.
For example had Halo Infinite and the TV show come out of the gates at the level of Destiny 1/2 or TLOU/show this conversation would be over. It's funny many post, why don't MS organically build, and then completely ignore the multi-year efforts and failures and successes of
SUCCESSES
As for outside of the console world MS is on fire and about to explode, PC, mobile and cloud coming at us fast. Ninty and Sony are nowhere with their cross platforms, strategy, support, systems, dev pipelines and more in terms of anything outside of console. Apple, Google, Tencent, Meta, Amazon (Netflix/nVidia to a lesser extent) etc are the major competitors and MS/Xbox is the first to drop real coin into the market(s). Some of other big tech firms will be throwing their hats in too, we'll see more cries for "but where are the games" from them too all while they amass tech/talent/IPs/mindshare/revenue etc.
Let us not forget the variety and scale of Gamepass inclusions, which is just straight up killing it and far too many to list. Xbox is a different beast to Ninty or Sony, as is their path ahead.
Further what of the games yet to come e.g. Perfect Dark, DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Minecraft Legends, Redfall, Fable, Everwild, TES VI...actually here's the roadmap instead, probably should have just posted this (the perception is changing) - *I also didn't post anything from ActiBliz.
Right now Xbox just needs to keep doing what they're doing for a sustained period. The lightning in the bottle will hit soon enough, more than twice by the roadmap of IPs and studios MS/Xbox helms now.
If Starfield is great, problem resolved for years. If Starfield sucks, problem continues for a little while longer.
For example had Halo Infinite and the TV show come out of the gates at the level of Destiny 1/2 or TLOU/show this conversation would be over. It's funny many post, why don't MS organically build, and then completely ignore the multi-year efforts and failures and successes of
SUCCESSES
- Atomic Heart
- Cuphead
- Sea of Thieves
- Flight
- Minecraft
- Forza/Horizon
- Gears of War
- Age of Empires
- Ori
- Halo MCC
- It Takes Two
- Tunic
- Psychonauts
- Hellbade
- Inside
- Death's Door
- As Dusk Falls
- Vampire Survivor
- Pentiment
- Grounded
- The Ascent
- Killer Instinct II (yeah it's old but I love it and it was super well crafted)
- Hi Fi Rush
- Halo Infinite
- Halo TV show
- Bright Memory
- Crossfire X
- Crackdown 3
- Game delays
- Game reveals too early
As for outside of the console world MS is on fire and about to explode, PC, mobile and cloud coming at us fast. Ninty and Sony are nowhere with their cross platforms, strategy, support, systems, dev pipelines and more in terms of anything outside of console. Apple, Google, Tencent, Meta, Amazon (Netflix/nVidia to a lesser extent) etc are the major competitors and MS/Xbox is the first to drop real coin into the market(s). Some of other big tech firms will be throwing their hats in too, we'll see more cries for "but where are the games" from them too all while they amass tech/talent/IPs/mindshare/revenue etc.
Let us not forget the variety and scale of Gamepass inclusions, which is just straight up killing it and far too many to list. Xbox is a different beast to Ninty or Sony, as is their path ahead.
Further what of the games yet to come e.g. Perfect Dark, DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Minecraft Legends, Redfall, Fable, Everwild, TES VI...actually here's the roadmap instead, probably should have just posted this (the perception is changing) - *I also didn't post anything from ActiBliz.
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Tommi84
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One and done
twilo99
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They announced the games before they started working on them. They really didn't have much choice being so behind. This is the year. The wait is over friends.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Moriarty1889
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They could try to actually create and release some new AAA single player games. Single,player with an emphasis on open world action adventure that is playable offline. This is the one area that seems completely foreign to Xbox lately.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Was hoping this was first reply
ByWatterson
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Classic GAF one and done
Pelao
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Thread should have been closed after this reply.
TheGodfather07
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It's the type of game that people are talking about. I want more high quality AAA single player games from Microsoft. Just 2 a year and I'm happy. That's not a big ask.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Here's the rub for MS/Xbox, why compete directly with tent pole games against Ninty/Sony who do it so well? The answer is brand perception, FOMO, walled garden etc; not exactly where MS/Xbox is heading.
Here's the rub for this Xbox fan, why haven't MS/Xbox pushed GaaS coop games big time? Halo Infinite was steered in completely the wrong direction IMO. Imagine if they had an Unreal engine BR and PvE title at launch and left arena to MCC with a spin off title a year or two later for esports; which is in the shitter for Halo anyway, comparative to other esports or Halo's own history. When you see the success of Sea of Thieves and PvEvP or Forza Horizons and DLCs I'm left wondering WTF Xbox and 343 were doing for 6+ years and how the hell didn't they know to steer the ship into PvE subs/DLC etc.
Xbox is missing that sort of single player campaign title but it's not their MUST have like Ninty or Sony. The other answer to why do such games for Xbox is you don't need to compete directly against other titles or IPs or multiplayer pools/retention. If a solo game/world is good it sells itself as a standalone. For Xbox I think it makes far more sense to differentiate with online coop being playable solo or coop in those tent pole stories/worlds.
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In Cold Blood
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Um, I'm going to run with "releasing more games" is how they kill that meme.
2021 they were publisher of the year.
2022 was a desert.
2023 will be amazing with HiFi Rush, Forza MS, Starfield, Redfall and maybe Hellblade 2.
2024 and 2025 look chocker block with games like Perfect Dark, Contraband, Fable, Indiana Jones, Project Midnight, Avowed, Project Cobalt, State of Decay 3 most likely due out.
After that a new Gears game, a new game from id, a new Wolfenstien game, a new Forza Horizon game, a new game from Double Fine, Project Mara, The Outer Worlds 2, and so on.
The amount of games coming out on Xbox is going to turn heads.
2021 they were publisher of the year.
2022 was a desert.
2023 will be amazing with HiFi Rush, Forza MS, Starfield, Redfall and maybe Hellblade 2.
2024 and 2025 look chocker block with games like Perfect Dark, Contraband, Fable, Indiana Jones, Project Midnight, Avowed, Project Cobalt, State of Decay 3 most likely due out.
After that a new Gears game, a new game from id, a new Wolfenstien game, a new Forza Horizon game, a new game from Double Fine, Project Mara, The Outer Worlds 2, and so on.
The amount of games coming out on Xbox is going to turn heads.
Astral Dog
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release some games
Saber
Gold Member
Man...use their so called deep pocket money to actually invest in their own games. Why they only seems only interested to burn money to buy everything and not to invest in themselves?
Also someone should hire better management for their games.
And the most important is stopping this social media bullshit.
Also someone should hire better management for their games.
And the most important is stopping this social media bullshit.
I think MS need to have a consistent output of top tier games. Pentiment and hifi rush while great are too niche and probably don't tickle that itch of owning a high end console for most people. They just need more releases like FH5 but in other popular genres. Their releases for this gen haven't catered that well in terms of blockbuster high budget games, in particular to big single player games and they've been kind of coasting on the more varied lower budget ones and older ports. That has its pros and cons.
When you don't have big releases you will always have that problem. PS3 had the same perception for a little while even though it had those smaller lesser known games resulting in those lists people would post. It also didn't help that MS showed a bunch of early in development pre-rendered trailers so the lineup isn't living up to the hype MS set for themselves in terms of games for the system.
When you don't have big releases you will always have that problem. PS3 had the same perception for a little while even though it had those smaller lesser known games resulting in those lists people would post. It also didn't help that MS showed a bunch of early in development pre-rendered trailers so the lineup isn't living up to the hype MS set for themselves in terms of games for the system.
Vroadstar
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Because its not a question worthy of it own thread - Who thinks there is a perception that if a game is not exclusive, it doesn't really count.
Is the arguement really "Microsoft has no top tier exclusive games"?
Is the arguement really "Microsoft has no top tier exclusive games"?
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Iced Arcade
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The have everything but need to tighten shit because some of the cogs are not connecting.
They have mountains of games/IPs, hardware (High and budget and PC), network, subscription services, Studios, money.
They don't have
- someone gamer savvy running the marketing... Seriously stfu with the hoodies for controller, Oreos, fridges we support you and all that wokeness.
- a team that focuses on a game release schedule for all the studios... There really isn't a reason they can't pump out a AAA every quarter and a few smaller games in between.
They have mountains of games/IPs, hardware (High and budget and PC), network, subscription services, Studios, money.
They don't have
- someone gamer savvy running the marketing... Seriously stfu with the hoodies for controller, Oreos, fridges we support you and all that wokeness.
- a team that focuses on a game release schedule for all the studios... There really isn't a reason they can't pump out a AAA every quarter and a few smaller games in between.
Pasta la Vista
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They will definitely hit their stride in the coming recession.
LordBlodgett
Member
Ummm, they need to release more games?
Seriously though, 3-4 decent title each year for a few years is enough to get rid of that silly talking point. This year they are off to a really good start. Can't have years like last where no major games released.
Seriously though, 3-4 decent title each year for a few years is enough to get rid of that silly talking point. This year they are off to a really good start. Can't have years like last where no major games released.
Yeah imagine year 3 of the gen if they didn’t have Bethesda. Not that Bethesda haven't released anything.
There have been Bethesda games in 2021, 2022 and will be at least 3 in 2023.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Release games.
Topher
Gold Member
Phil is that you?
BrutalTruth_
Banned
23-24 is their bust year.. if they fail during this era they will fall even more behind.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Buy another publisher.
Fire everyone from Xbox management.
Replace them with incoming publisher’s management.
Fire everyone from Xbox management.
Replace them with incoming publisher’s management.
ShadowLag
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Steady on there, Sony Pony. Let's not start demanding unrealistic stuff from Uncle Phil.
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ToTTenTranz
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Banjo64
cumsessed
2022 was my breaking point and I sold my Series S this week.
I’ll renew GP Ultimate (using a cheap foreign marketplace) next year if the three year conversion still works. I’ll play Starfield through xCloud.
The Steam Deck is £314 on sale this week, why keep or buy a Series S when the Steam Deck does everything the Series S can do, and more, and has no online fees?
Stare-Bear
Banned
Release more games and DO SOME MARKETING for the games that do release.
Hi-Fi Rush seems to be a fun game but there’s no marketing for it. How are people going to know about it? They are relying too much on gamepass. “Oh it’s on the front page of gamepass, that’s enough marketing from us”.
Hi-Fi Rush seems to be a fun game but there’s no marketing for it. How are people going to know about it? They are relying too much on gamepass. “Oh it’s on the front page of gamepass, that’s enough marketing from us”.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Simply release games. That’s the point in buying up all these those studios and companies. I feel they should use what they have first before trying to procure new ones.
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Monad
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As someone who actually play and enjoy games instead of whimper about console wars like an adult child, I don't find that "struggling releasing games" perception too accurate.
Hell, I enjoyed Pentiment, As Dusk Falls, High on Life and most recently Hi-Fi Rush way more than anything Sony and Nintendo have launched in the past 12 months (with the exception of Metroid Prime Remastered).
Hell, I enjoyed Pentiment, As Dusk Falls, High on Life and most recently Hi-Fi Rush way more than anything Sony and Nintendo have launched in the past 12 months (with the exception of Metroid Prime Remastered).
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Portugeezer
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Probably don't announce so many games so early.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thank fuck they got them, eh? Would have been another sad year.
There have been Bethesda games in 2021, 2022 and will be at least 3 in 2023.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Ask Nintendo.. they found the golden egg goose of perception without the consistent delivery
TheTony316
Member
Release games?
murstdurst
Neo Member
Releaseing games in a state that is both working and has content.
And stop mismanagement of the talent they buy up.
2 things they have trouble doing, so fix that and maybe...
And stop mismanagement of the talent they buy up.
2 things they have trouble doing, so fix that and maybe...