Sony unveiling the PS4 is news, and that is why they are covering it. The media knows full well what this is, and it should be evident to everyone else by now as well. What, are they just supposed to sit by idle and not cover the event at all? Just wait and see and miss on the scoop and screw their viewers out of seeing it, even though they know what it is?
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Sony unveiling the PS4 is news, and that is why they are covering it. The media knows full well what this is, and it should be evident to everyone else by now as well. What, are they just supposed to sit by idle and not cover the event at all? Just wait and see and miss on the scoop and screw their viewers out of seeing it, even though they know what it is?
How is giving suggestions on what to announce/show "fanboy material"?
If anything, it more so shows that they aren't fanboys since they don't get hyped by anything automatically -- hence why they are giving suggestions.
Haha, just one company? You don't think that they will do this for MS too once MS announces the date to their conference?
And if I remember correctly, there were a decent amount of Wii U discussion videos after E3 2011.
Don't get mad just because Nintendo/Wii U isn't the "hottest gaming news of the week" anymore.
farnham
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they definately should cover the event. but thats the point. the event is in 4 days not now. we dont have the hard facts and anything. i think its perfectly fine to have some kind of prediction discussion round. but the amount of stuff they posted there and the content of it seems to be very biased to me.
in this case they are talking about stuff that is announced. they have the hard facts they can discuss about. thats a different thing in my opinion.
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y'all should be ashamed
JohnnySasaki86
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Wii U does represent a true next gen system. PS4 represents a much bigger change to the industry. Durango will get the same treatment, but since PS4 is going first it may end with a bit more media attention. Oh and Wii U had very little hype coming out of E3 last year, which continued to the launch.
Jack_AG
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Videos talking about a brand new console when the expected announcement hits next week...
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Shocks me, too. Shocks. Me. Too.
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Shocks me, too. Shocks. Me. Too.
Haha!!! Really?
In terms of news reporting, "4 days away" pretty much equals "now" -- especially in terms of big events.
I mean, how dare ESPN give tons of articles/stories about the Super Bowl back in January! The game was in February!!!!!
They don't have hard facts either... hence why they are giving suggestions as to what they would like to see.
You are being a bit ridiculous.
But GT are not the only ones covering it. Everyone knows the PS4 is about to be released, and outlets like GT know that gamers want to see coverage about it. There is just a buzz because people are excited and they are naturally going with the discussion because they are in the industry. Nice to see them doing their job.
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farnham
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a superbowl is a very set game where we know who the teams are how they have been performing, how the rules are...
with the PS4 we dont know anything. we dont know the specs. we dont know the launch line up. we dont know the price. we dont know the launch date.
we will get the information soon but it is much too early to say anything.
yes but that does not make them look very professional. i think there needs to be a certain analytical distance for any media outlet that considers themselves to be journalists
its why we listen to them more than a fanboy on youtube that will give every nintendo/sony/ms game a 10 out of 10.
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Ok, you didn't post this thread to pose a genuine question or to have a real conversation. There's absolutely no use in this discussion.
I agree with this. I also don't think anyone is ever confused by what is implied when it is used either way, so it's really a non-issue unless people just feel like bickering.
Uno Venova
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We're finally moving into the 'next gen' after 7 years, people are excited, GT is capitalizing on it, I believe IGN is doing to same type of vids, and it works to get people hyped including me.
Baconsammy
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God forbid they cover something people actually care about. "Professional" news sites discussed Obama's State of the Union speech days in advance of him giving it. Even hypothesizing about what he'd say. Yet they didn't know what he'd say. Unprofessional too?
This thread is laughable and your continued attempts to make into something other than you being unhappy the PS4 announcement is getting - gasp - attention is just making it worse. All you see is bias... gee wonder why.
And come on, you seem like you should be smart enough to differentiate news from opinion from speculation, and yet you demand GT *not* engage in speculation for some reason and furthermore treat this obviously newsworthy event as not-news until after it happens, at which point I'm sure you'll be unhappy at how much interest they, and their viewers, show for it.
I can't believe you're actually set on keeping this train of arguments going.
The thing is being revealed in 4 days! People are hyped.
farnham
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Are we talking about a state of the union speech of a newly elected president? How is that even comparable. The competition in obamas case has ended. He is never going to be re-elected and he won his last election. He is just president and gives his speech.
With the console market we are talking about a race that hasnt even started yet and we really dont know what two of the competitors will have and when they will start
only because i prefer nintendo to sony doesnt mean that i dont buy sony platforms.
it is definately newsworthy once it happened and when it was announced. any rumor that is being posted is newsworthy too. what GT posted was none of that they are writing a speculation piece with not much information. thats why im saying that there needs to be a distinction between a person writing on a message board or posting fanvids on youtube and a gaming journalism outlet.
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Kind of difficult to do that when the meeting hasn't happened yet. So to you, what I am getting out of all this, is that anyone that works for any type of gaming site, magazine, etc. is forbidden to talk about an exciting, very near event about a next generation console reveal if it does not relate to any new news or footage (which is what the meeting is for) or interviews (which will happen at the meeting as well).
So never talk about anything for the basis of hype, curiosity, or speculation despite the fact the internet is exploding over all the PS4 talk right now and they are just giving the people stuff to watch that relates to the public interest right now.
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Baconsammy
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It's about your misguided definition of "professionalism" due to GT (and just about every other intelligent gaming site on the internet) daring to discuss what *MIGHT* be discussed by Sony this coming Wednesday. A lot of people seem to actually care about Sony firing off the first shot in the next gen war, and I think that's bothering you a whole lot more than what GT is doing. Like I said, your admission that you're a Nintendo fanboy taints everything you say. Like it or not, when you latch onto a company instead of the hobby itself, it's hard to take you seriously.
Show me on this doll where I touched your console of choice.
pretty sure media sites like this are dieing for next-gen news, as hits are way down. GAF is getting a surge right now based on all the next gen rumors as well. so yeah, they're probably making a lot of playstation material because it's selling (driving traffic)
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So, I came back into this thread to see if the OP was fully melting down at this point....
Obviously, you are not familiar with journalism at all. Think of it as "the trident of journalism." It's not all "hard news."
In even the most traditional journalism, here's hard news, analysis, and editorial/opinion.
You are demanding one spear point of traditional journalism, and decrying the implementation of other two. Which shows me you don't understand what "journalism" is at all. So please stop embarrassing yourself.
LOL.
I guess you've missed the now at least twice-yearly way speculation surrounds Apple iPhone/iPad/iWhatever product announcements.
Hell, speculation on those products usually picks up months before there's even an announcement of an Apple press conference/event now.
Since this is a product that will span an entire generation (probably more than six years at least) a few video updates in the week or two before the announced event should come as no surprise.
LOL.
No, it looks like they are creating content to attract their audience.
I don't recall. But I'm not the one accusing an outlet of negligence without proof, which you seem to be doing, or you wouldn't be asking this question. Please cite your evidence before making accusations, because right now, it appears you are fishing.
Aside from the "strong implication" even you admit to, there's the fact that executives and developers are apparently flying in from far-flung places like Europe, Japan, and the west coast to be at the event, plus the fact that Sony sent invitations out to investors, including large institutional investors that, as an executive, you'd waste their time at your own peril.
So it's clearly something big.
And there is apparently mountains of evidence from confidential sources saying it's the next PS too. Real journalists use confidential sources all the time.
Now there is a video from Sony recapping the history of the platform.
Now there's also leaked pics of the dev kit and new controller.
What the fuck else do you need?
Are you seriously making this argument that "there is no official news about PS3 either aside of the very strong implication that they will show PS4 on the 20th?" WTF?
Again, please show your research BEFORE making this accusation. So far, it's just your feeling.
Also, it could be that the launch of the Wii U just didn't resonate with the audience. This lack of resonance with the audience seems to be backed up by sales of the Wii U platform at this point.
And, before you resort to "bu-bu-but they didn't hype the Wii U like this!!!!" let me remind you what you yourself wrote about the impact of this:
So even you don't think GT's coverage makes a difference in sales.
No, there's PLENTY of information. (See above) Why do you keep making this claim?
Strangely, it seems like there's actually MORE information about the raw technical specs of the Orbis/Durango platforms than there is about Wii U, and we now even have a freaking die photo of the GPU that at least two forums have been mulling over!
So denying the fact that analysis and editorial content have a place in journalism wasn't enough, now you've gotta throw in the notion that outlets must not cover stories their audience is obviously interested in more than stories they aren't interested in?
Keep banging that drum. I'll keep reminding you of the words "analysis" and "editorial."
Again...you are throwing out accusations about your feelings over the situation, yet we've seen zero evidence for you to back up these rather serious claims.
I think this is dangerous ground for you to tread, frankly.
Oh, now your tastes are so superior to GAF's, I guess...LOL
Considering you seem to have no knowledge of analysis and editorial content as part of journalism, or seemingly no understanding that sites like this simply cover things the audience is interested in, I'd say that's accurate.
...but whose expectation is irrational here? Not GAF's
I thought the video about what Sony should/shouldn't do in their presser was pretty balanced. Actually, it called Sony to the carpet for a whole shitload of things they have usually done in the past that make their press conferences less effective.
You imply "bias" a lot, (or outright call "bias") but I'm still not seeing it. All they are doing is editorializing about what announcements/reveals they think would be most exciting. This is not bias. It's just opinion.
So now you are certain of this?
Just a few posts ago, you were asking if this was true, and didn't seem so certain:
...of course you never presented evidence, you just kept ranting instead. So maybe you've convinced yourself. Question is, did you convince anyone else?
Well, in fairness, you don't seem to understand GT's business model very well either...
You cared enough to make this ridiculous thread. So don't start that BS.
Reminder:
Now you are truly melting down.
There are plenty of legit journalism outlets with hardcore standards and practices concerning gifts and trips that cover future product lines for corporations.
You are telling us that when leaks start appearing about Boeing is coming out with a new jet, or Apple is nearing that time in the product cycle when a new iPhone is imminent, or even a vendor rumored to sign a big contract to supply a part for a big product, YOU DON'T NOTICE the coverage in respected publications like The Wall Street Journal or The New York Times?
Do you actually read the news at all?
Frankly, you trying to equate doing stories about future products with taking bribes is appalling and insulting.
Is games journalism in bad shape ethically? Yeah. Pretty much. And I've been a huge critic in the past. But that doesn't mean you have to make up shit to throw more dirt on the grave.
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And that's it. I'm out. This is a silly thread.
Obviously, you are not familiar with journalism at all. Think of it as "the trident of journalism." It's not all "hard news."
In even the most traditional journalism, here's hard news, analysis, and editorial/opinion.
You are demanding one spear point of traditional journalism, and decrying the implementation of other two. Which shows me you don't understand what "journalism" is at all. So please stop embarrassing yourself.
LOL.
I guess you've missed the now at least twice-yearly way speculation surrounds Apple iPhone/iPad/iWhatever product announcements.
Hell, speculation on those products usually picks up months before there's even an announcement of an Apple press conference/event now.
Since this is a product that will span an entire generation (probably more than six years at least) a few video updates in the week or two before the announced event should come as no surprise.
LOL.
No, it looks like they are creating content to attract their audience.
I don't recall. But I'm not the one accusing an outlet of negligence without proof, which you seem to be doing, or you wouldn't be asking this question. Please cite your evidence before making accusations, because right now, it appears you are fishing.
Aside from the "strong implication" even you admit to, there's the fact that executives and developers are apparently flying in from far-flung places like Europe, Japan, and the west coast to be at the event, plus the fact that Sony sent invitations out to investors, including large institutional investors that, as an executive, you'd waste their time at your own peril.
So it's clearly something big.
And there is apparently mountains of evidence from confidential sources saying it's the next PS too. Real journalists use confidential sources all the time.
Now there is a video from Sony recapping the history of the platform.
Now there's also leaked pics of the dev kit and new controller.
What the fuck else do you need?
Are you seriously making this argument that "there is no official news about PS3 either aside of the very strong implication that they will show PS4 on the 20th?" WTF?
Again, please show your research BEFORE making this accusation. So far, it's just your feeling.
Also, it could be that the launch of the Wii U just didn't resonate with the audience. This lack of resonance with the audience seems to be backed up by sales of the Wii U platform at this point.
And, before you resort to "bu-bu-but they didn't hype the Wii U like this!!!!" let me remind you what you yourself wrote about the impact of this:
So even you don't think GT's coverage makes a difference in sales.
No, there's PLENTY of information. (See above) Why do you keep making this claim?
Strangely, it seems like there's actually MORE information about the raw technical specs of the Orbis/Durango platforms than there is about Wii U, and we now even have a freaking die photo of the GPU that at least two forums have been mulling over!
So denying the fact that analysis and editorial content have a place in journalism wasn't enough, now you've gotta throw in the notion that outlets must not cover stories their audience is obviously interested in more than stories they aren't interested in?
Keep banging that drum. I'll keep reminding you of the words "analysis" and "editorial."
Again...you are throwing out accusations about your feelings over the situation, yet we've seen zero evidence for you to back up these rather serious claims.
I think this is dangerous ground for you to tread, frankly.
Oh, now your tastes are so superior to GAF's, I guess...LOL
Considering you seem to have no knowledge of analysis and editorial content as part of journalism, or seemingly no understanding that sites like this simply cover things the audience is interested in, I'd say that's accurate.
...but whose expectation is irrational here? Not GAF's
I thought the video about what Sony should/shouldn't do in their presser was pretty balanced. Actually, it called Sony to the carpet for a whole shitload of things they have usually done in the past that make their press conferences less effective.
You imply "bias" a lot, (or outright call "bias") but I'm still not seeing it. All they are doing is editorializing about what announcements/reveals they think would be most exciting. This is not bias. It's just opinion.
So now you are certain of this?
Just a few posts ago, you were asking if this was true, and didn't seem so certain:
...of course you never presented evidence, you just kept ranting instead. So maybe you've convinced yourself. Question is, did you convince anyone else?
Well, in fairness, you don't seem to understand GT's business model very well either...
You cared enough to make this ridiculous thread. So don't start that BS.
Reminder:
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Now you are truly melting down.
There are plenty of legit journalism outlets with hardcore standards and practices concerning gifts and trips that cover future product lines for corporations.
You are telling us that when leaks start appearing about Boeing is coming out with a new jet, or Apple is nearing that time in the product cycle when a new iPhone is imminent, or even a vendor rumored to sign a big contract to supply a part for a big product, YOU DON'T NOTICE the coverage in respected publications like The Wall Street Journal or The New York Times?
Do you actually read the news at all?
Frankly, you trying to equate doing stories about future products with taking bribes is appalling and insulting.
Is games journalism in bad shape ethically? Yeah. Pretty much. And I've been a huge critic in the past. But that doesn't mean you have to make up shit to throw more dirt on the grave.
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And that's it. I'm out. This is a silly thread.
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I'm not going to post the string of private messages I've received from farnham over this, but goddamn.
Yeah, he mad.
Well said!!
There is nothing wrong with what GT is doing, they are just trying to get some hits from the current hype and they are giving their opinions on what they want to see and how it could be better, they have pointed out Sony weakness in the videos too.
nickp
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Complaining about a site generating content based on what's going on in the type of content they cover is insane.
Frankly there wasn't as much excitement because the WiiU is playing catch up in most ways with what was already out.
And the sales indicate that as well.
Frankly there wasn't as much excitement because the WiiU is playing catch up in most ways with what was already out.
And the sales indicate that as well.
Amazing post.
You are a real human being. And a real hero.
Seriously, this post deserves so much love.
Your buying habits are irrelevant to a discussion of your weirdly idiosyncratic reaction I think. A website dedicated to video game reviews/previews/news is releasing a lot of content about a much anticipated new product launch and their audience seems receptive to it. Your seeing this in such a nefarious light is just a bit odd, and to me at least it only makes sense in the terms of a fan of a competing company being unhappy at what you see as positive attention.
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I hate how people on the Internet like to repetitively demand facts completely out of context in order to try and discredit anything without having to think critically.
"You think PS4 is being hyped because it's a new console? Well show me the facts you have to support this. :smug:"
"You think PS4 is being hyped because it's a new console? Well show me the facts you have to support this. :smug:"
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GT is owned by Viacom/MTV which is half owned by Microsoft.
It blows my mind when people overlook this fact, or don't know or care about it.
If you ever followed shows like Invisible Walls for the past three-four years, you should know that the site favors the more commercial Western titles on the 360 more than any other games.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but let's be perfectly honest here,
Someone needs to pay the salaries of the people who run that site. And just like the third post in this thread said "They are in the business of making money"
The thing about GT is , it's a media outlet for people who are passionate about video games.
It is no where near a fair and accurate representation of the video game industry, it's merely there to "report" more importantly and accurately hype upcoming games for the general, casual gaming consumer so they do not forget about what's coming up and keep dropping their $60 for the next mediocre game.
The site might as well be called Game Commercials.com, because at the core, that's is all it really is.
It blows my mind when people overlook this fact, or don't know or care about it.
If you ever followed shows like Invisible Walls for the past three-four years, you should know that the site favors the more commercial Western titles on the 360 more than any other games.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but let's be perfectly honest here,
Someone needs to pay the salaries of the people who run that site. And just like the third post in this thread said "They are in the business of making money"
The thing about GT is , it's a media outlet for people who are passionate about video games.
It is no where near a fair and accurate representation of the video game industry, it's merely there to "report" more importantly and accurately hype upcoming games for the general, casual gaming consumer so they do not forget about what's coming up and keep dropping their $60 for the next mediocre game.
The site might as well be called Game Commercials.com, because at the core, that's is all it really is.
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OP I think your confused.
GT does not go where Sony or MS is. They go where the money is, where the views are.
WiiU has very little excitement from the general public and their target audience. Therefore they did not get many views so why keep making videos.
PS4 on the other hand has got people very excited especially their target audience.
PS4 videos get lots of views. Lots of views=lots of money
Therefore GT pumps more PS4 vids.
Again: GT goes where the views are at. PS4 is where the views are at. GT goes to the PS4.
Theres no agenda OP. Just love......for money.
GT does not go where Sony or MS is. They go where the money is, where the views are.
WiiU has very little excitement from the general public and their target audience. Therefore they did not get many views so why keep making videos.
PS4 on the other hand has got people very excited especially their target audience.
PS4 videos get lots of views. Lots of views=lots of money
Therefore GT pumps more PS4 vids.
Again: GT goes where the views are at. PS4 is where the views are at. GT goes to the PS4.
Theres no agenda OP. Just love......for money.
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Baconsammy
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When the OP states GT never hyped the Wii U pre-release, you'd expect he'd be able to back that up. Personally, I remember GT covering the Wii U in a big way. I was watching live streams of them playing Wii U titles pre-release at E3 and right before launch. He's upset that someone else is getting the attention. It happens.
DMeisterJ
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I am absolutely shocked and appalled that GT is spending their time covering a new console launch.
Shocked.
Shocked.
farnham
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I have not seen similar coverage pre-announcement for vita, 3ds and wiiu (the last three consoles that launched).
I think we can all agree that sony announcing PS4 is big news but the emphasis they are giving this event is beyond what they have done in the past (at least from my personal perception).
Thats what I thought was odd. However as some people posted in the forum it could be that that is just due to GTs internal problems (sliding viewership in the last few month) or the fact that they have gained more budget over the years so that they can afford to make so much content for the week before the announcement.
it is just the amount of it. they have not done so in the past from what i can recall with the last three gaming hardware that was released (which of course makes me look even more fanboyish as two those happen to be from nintendo
). maybe a feature or two but not a barrage of videos.OP I think your confused.
GT does not go where Sony or MS is. They go where the money is, where the views are.
WiiU has very little excitement from the general public and their target audience. Therefore they did not get many views so why keep making videos.
PS4 on the other hand has got people very excited especially their target audience.
PS4 videos get lots of views. Lots of views=lots of money
Therefore GT pumps more PS4 vids.
Again: GT goes where the views are at. PS4 is where the views are at. GT goes to the PS4.
Theres no agenda OP. Just love......for money.
but isnt that equally problematic. if a website, that claims to have journalistic integrity, covers a certain company more than another just because the hits are not comming for the other how can you say that the opinion those peoples have that are also expressed in previews or reviews are going to be unbiased?
i remember when people on neogaf shit on the gameinformer review of paper mario 2 because the justification was that "people reading gameinformer will most likely not like this". how is this any different
... difference being that there is no actual ps4 footage in any of that videos. I think I already said that I dont have problems if there is actual news.
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Please stop, this makes Nintendo fans look bad. I would even call myself a borderline fanboy, but how you blame people for being excited for the next consoles? These sites are just leveraging this excitement into more hits, it's how the Internet works. If the Wii U caused this type of excitement among enthusiasts I'm sure sites like this would cover it more.
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I can find absolutely no information about Microsoft owning any part of Viacom. The closest I can find is this:
Wikipedia said:
A 500 million dollar, 5 year advertising contract is in no way owning half of Viacom, which is an 8 billion dollar company.
Unless you can find some information to back up your claim, I'd say someone has mislead you.
EagleBurnn
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farnham, look man. You're putting way too much thought into a simple thing. GT is not doing this for integrity, journalism, or because there's a bias. The PS announcement is the hottest thing in gaming right now. The only thing GT is doing is capitalizing off that hype for hits. Hits generate ad revenue. Ad revenue generates GT revenue. That's the only thing they care about right now. It doesn't go deeper than that.
Why didn't they do this much for the WiiU? Who knows? Maybe they didn't think about it so they prepared better this time. It could be a hundred different things. Though, one thing is for certain, which is that they're only doing all these videos for hits. That's all this is.
Why didn't they do this much for the WiiU? Who knows? Maybe they didn't think about it so they prepared better this time. It could be a hundred different things. Though, one thing is for certain, which is that they're only doing all these videos for hits. That's all this is.
1. Home consoles have always been viewed with more anticipation than new portable consoles.
2. There were many videos about the Wii U after it was announced.
You keep on saying that "you didn't see any" when that really isn't proof.
I don't watch reality shows but I'm not going to say that they don't exist anymore just because "...I don't see any".
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/100022,microsoft-teams-up-with-viacom.aspx
Edit: I thought he said partners -- but yeah, they don't own it.
I love GT and have been watching for years and if you did you knew that Marcus Beer, Geoff, and others are PS3 through and through. But, all them them try to come across as non-biased and are as professional as can be expected.
If you watch the shows that have all 3 consoles and comparisons whether is year-ebd, upcoming, game comparisons etc. the bias comes through in a big way.
But everyone is human and have their personal opinions. I love that site. Especially Bonus Round, Pach Attack and Invisible Walls.
But the OP is definately right I noted myself that they are going out of their way to enhance the PS4 hype (which easily more than they did for the launch of the Wii-U), but that's honesstly where the excitement is and GT always followed the excitment.