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You're saying she attended oral arguments for the Prevezon case based under the assumption that she was there to represent Katsyv. This is not the case. She was NOT permitted to enter the US under those circumstances according to Bharara. He wrote:

“Since neither Katsyv nor Veselnitskaya are required to appear as witnesses in person at this stage of proceedings, we do not believe that immigration parole is appropriate,”

So since we do not know the nature of the State Dept. visa, we cannot assume her intention was to be a part of this meeting when she was explicitly told she was not allowed to enter the US simply because she was Katsyv's lawyer.
Where did I say any of the bolded?
 
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Where did I say any of the bolded?
You described the "meetings" with Simpson as follows:

Glen Simpson was having a client lunch which is very common and likely had him interfacing with the law firm that hired him rather than attorney Veselnitskaya, which I've read there would have been a language barrier there.
This seems to indicate that Veselnitskaya had a legitimate reason to be at the meetings because she had represented Katsyv. And that simply is not the case. She had no reason to be in the country let alone anywhere near the oral arguments and subsequent meetings with Simpson.
 

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Glenn Simpson had previously testified under oath to the House Intelligence Committee that he never met with Bruce Ohr or discussed with Bruce Ohr the Steele dossier prior to the October [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] application in 2016 or the 2016 presidential election," Ratcliffe said on Fox News. "That is in direct contradiction to what Bruce Ohr told me under oath last month. I'm not surprised he is taking the Fifth. He probably should. He's in real legal jeopardy. Very clearly someone is not telling the truth. Nellie Ohr, Bruce's Ohr wife, certainly can shed some light."
So Glenn Simpson meeting with the same lawyer that apperantly was helping the Trump campaign collude with Russia wasn't a big deal? Considering that Fusion GPS was hired by the DNC and Hillary to make a dossier wouldn't it be pertinent to find out if HRC was colluding with the Russians and trying to get the same dirt Trump was through Simpson and Fusion?

When Glenn meets with a Russian lawyer its just dinner, but when Papa G is out having drinks its a backdoor into the Trump campaign and starting a giant investigation.

Did I miss something along the way, was Glenn and HRC investigated in regards to their contacts with this lawyer that was appearntly trying to collude with the Trump campaign?
 

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You described the "meetings" with Simpson as follows:



This seems to indicate that Veselnitskaya had a legitimate reason to be at the meetings because she had represented Katsyv. And that simply is not the case. She had no reason to be in the country let alone anywhere near the oral arguments and subsequent meetings with Simpson.
I said client lunch not anything about oral arguments or subsequent meetings?????????

You're saying she attended oral arguments for the Prevezon case
Which I never stated.
 
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I said client lunch not anything about oral arguments or subsequent meetings?????????
Call it whatever you want. She had NO REASON to be there. That's the point. She was explicitly told she was not allowed to be there for the oral arguments, and she was. She was explicitly told she was not allowed to counsel Katsyv, and yet she still was present at the "lunch" & then the "dinner." She also had no apparent reason to be at Trump Tower, but guess what? She showed up there too.

All of this begs the question, why did the State Department let her back into the country to meet with Simpson and Trump?

Which I never stated.
You did. You said she was at the "lunch" because of some sort of perceived language barrier. Implying that she had a valid reason to be at this "lunch". When that simply is not the case.
 

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Call it whatever you want. She had NO REASON to be there. That's the point. She was explicitly told she was not allowed to be there for the oral arguments, and she was. She was explicitly told she was not allowed to counsel Katsyv, and yet she still was present at the "lunch" & then the "dinner." She also had no apparent reason to be at Trump Tower, but guess what? She showed up there too.

All of this begs the question, why did the State Department let her back into the country to meet with Simpson and Trump?



You did. You said she was at the "lunch" because of some sort of perceived language barrier. Implying that she had a valid reason to be at this "lunch". When that simply is not the case.
I never said she had a valid reason to be a lunch. I just said that she was there. Where is your mental breakdown in this?
 
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This spin is out of control.

Glen Simpson was hired by a D.C. Law Firm (BakerHostetler) which was hired by attorney Veselnitskaya who was representing Denis Katsyv in a Russian tax fraud and money laundering case. Glen Simpson was having a client lunch which is very common and likely had him interfacing with the law firm that hired him rather than attorney Veselnitskaya, which I've read there would have been a language barrier there. The "dinner" sounds more intimate and insidious than the reality. It was more like a banquet/party where Mark Cymrot , partner at BakerHostetler, invited a lot of friends, colleagues, and clients to attend. Both deny having even talked to each other at an event where numerous people had attended.

Also Veselnitskaya's adoption excuse is pure bullshit. Russia's external adoption policy has always been to only allow their disabled and sick children to be adopted out of Russia. After the Magnitsky Act froze assets of the Oligarch's, Russia responded by not allowing adoption anymore citing an incident that happened in one of the states where one family committed maltreatment on an adopted child. The United States has no part in enabling the adoption process occur again. The only victims here are the disabled and sick children. The US was willing to take in their most vulnerable to give them a better quality of life.
You can call the adoption issue a cover for the sanctions on Russian oligarchs, but that does not negate that she has indeed worked on this issue for many years, most importantly, in tandem with Glen Simpson. The information that she brought with her to the meeting was provided to her by Simpson on a previous matter they worked together on. So she went to lobby the Trump campaign on a matter she was working together with Fusion on, armed with info she received from Fusion, while Fusion is simultaneously compiling opposition research against the very same campaign.

Honest question: do you really not see a problem with this?

She also lied and said her meeting with Simpson never took place. That colors her credibility when she then denies they spoke, despite having worked together in the past and at the time.

You're reaching a lot farther here than we are.
 

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The Justice Department inspector general has determined the three Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant extensions against onetime Trump campaign aide Carter Page were illegally obtained, attorney Joe diGenova said on Thursday.
Apparently right now they are just looking to see if the original app was obatianed illegally. The extensions were illegally obtained allegedly.
 

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Well lucky for everyone involved it's not true.
you will have plenty of reports to read soon to find out if its all true or not.

But there is a lot more evidence here than there was with the Trump Russian hoax you bought into for 2.5 years.
 
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you will have plenty of reports to read soon to find out if its all true or not.

But there is a lot more evidence here than there was with the Trump Russian hoax you bought into for 2.5 years.
Tell ya what if Hillary and Obama end up in jail I'll call it my bad.
 

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Tell ya what if Hillary and Obama end up in jail I'll call it my bad.
I doubt Obama or HRC end up in jail, too high up the food chain. But Comey/Clapper/Brennan/McCabe/Storzk any one or all of em probably will.

Now if Obama's FBI was doing this crap under his nose, whats worse he was involved in it, or he wasn't and didn't know what the fuck his FBI was doing?

Either way Obama is coming out looking pretty damn bad even if he isn't in handcuffs.
 
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You still think Trump is going to be impeached. You're a clown show.
No I don't? I have never thought Trump was going to be impeached. Quite the opposite actually. I have said it would be a waste of time because they don't have the votes in the Senate.
 
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I doubt Obama or HRC end up in jail, too high up the food chain. But Comey/Clapper/Brennan/McCabe/Storzk any one or all of em probably will.

Now if Obama's FBI was doing this crap under his nose, whats worse he was involved in it, or he wasn't and didn't know what the fuck his FBI was doing?

Either way Obama is coming out looking pretty damn bad even if he isn't in handcuffs.
Its highly likely that none of those people will go to jail either.
 
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When the Mueller report for Russian collusion closed without inditements for Trump, his family, his campaign team, nor any American for the Russian election meddling, didn't you say that you were glad that the Mueller probe still found other criminal acts?

Did I know that collusion was an impossibility? Not even close. There was enough smoke around Trump and his various associates to warrant an investigation.

Did I expect Mueller to catch Trump red handed? No. I am not quite that optimistic.

Did I expect the investigation to root out some of the illegal shit he or his various acquaintances have done over time? Absolutely. And thats exactly what he did. So that brings me back to be satisfied with what he accomplished.

We are just gonna have to wait for the full release.
So I'm guessing your stance remains the same as Barr investigates the corrupt origins of the Russia-Trump collusion hoax and roots out the "illegal shit" going on, like the three illegally-obtained FISA warrants to begin the investigations in the first place?

As long as it roots out corruption, you'd be in favor of the ongoing investigations to get to the bottom of this?
 
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So I'm guessing your stance remains the same as Barr investigates the corrupt origins of the Russia-Trump collusion hoax and roots out the "illegal shit" going on, like the three illegally-obtained FISA warrants to begin the investigations in the first place?

As long as it roots out corruption, you'd be in favor of the ongoing investigations to get to the bottom of this?
Of course if they find corruption then it should be addressed. I just don't think they are going to find any. And even if they do find something I think its gonna be in a similar vein as what happened to Trump. There will be evidence and maybe a handful of indictments, but nobody major (Obama, Hillary, Comey, etc etc) will be indicted or go to jail. In fact I will be utterly astonished if anything remotely criminal is traced back to Obama, Hillary or Comey at all as a result of Barr's fishing trip.

This entire investigation is just red meat for Trumps base to chew on and keep them busy in my opinion. I don't think much will come of it.
 
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Of course if they find corruption then it should be addressed. I just don't think they are going to find any. And even if they do find something I think its gonna be in a similar vein as what happened to Trump. There will be evidence and maybe a handful of indictments, but nobody major (Obama, Hillary, Comey, etc etc) will be indicted or go to jail. In fact I will be utterly astonished if anything remotely criminal is traced back to Obama, Hillary or Comey at all as a result of Barr's fishing trip.
McCabe and Comey have already thrown Obama under the bus by claiming that the FBI was instructed to behave the way that it did. They've already found corruption, so I don't know what you mean by "I don't think they are going to find any". At this point, the game is who will throw who under the bus to take a lesser punishment.

This entire investigation is just red meat for Trumps base to chew on and keep them busy in my opinion. I don't think much will come of it.
Wouldn't this be implying that the 2-year Mueller investigation was red meat for the Democrat base? :pie_thinking:
 

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I can't speak to the veracity of any of this, but it's a very interesting article.


In a surprise move Wednesday, Giuseppe Conte, the prime minister of Italy, fired the top management of three Italian intelligence agencies.

The move is being seen as the Conte government's response to the previous government's coordinated surveillance activity with U.S. intelligence officials during the 2016 U.S. election
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Also from article



More at link. Again, I have no idea how much is conjecture, how much is true, how much is false.
 
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When the deep state is actually a global conspiracy.

'Member the hoopla and guttersniping over Trump talking about fake news and swamps?

Hold on to your butts!
 

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Richard Ledgett should have been one of the first the Dems should have called to testify but oddly enough they haven’t.
 

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"There was western intelligence sent to spy on Papadopoulos and there's a recording and transcript of the conversation. And there, Papadopoulos denies any illegal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. So, they had evidence presumably that was against Papadopoulos and for him. What they will wont be able to defend is that they never presented that evidence to the FISA court."
 

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Trey Gowdy has been talking about this for days now. This is the the exculpatory evidence he has mentioned. Called it a game changer and would convince the never Trumpers.

Lets see the transcripts.
 
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Multiple witnesses have told Congress that, a week before Trump’s inauguration in January 2017, Britain’s top national security official sent a private communique to the incoming administration, addressing his country’s participation in the counterintelligence probe into the now-debunked Trump-Russia election collusion.

Most significantly, then-British national security adviser Sir Mark Lyall Grant claimed in the memo, hand-delivered to incoming U.S. national security adviser Mike Flynn’s team, that the British government lacked confidence in the credibility of former MI6 spy Christopher Steele’s Russia collusion evidence, according to congressional investigators who interviewed witnesses familiar with the memo.


Steele, of course, was the political opposition researcher-turned-FBI informant whose dossier the FBI and Obama Justice Department used to justify spying on the Trump campaign in the final days of the 2016 election cycle. The dossier was funded by Fusion GPS, a research firm hired by Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Congressional investigators have interviewed two U.S. officials who handled the memo, confirmed with the British government that a communique was sent and alerted the Department of Justice (DOJ) to the information. One witness confirmed to Congress that he was interviewed by special counsel Robert Mueller about the memo.
Is it getting hot in here or what? Things are getting spicy.
 

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Does Trump seem like the kind of guy that will let bygones be bygones assuming some of the worst of these accusations turn out to be true?

I'm fairly certain he already knows the extent of it.
 
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And Mueller hired this guy to be on his team LOL. Or actually Weissman who was at Hillarys Victory party hired him.

Why was he hired in the first place by Mueller was there no oversight at all? Even if he fired him that should taint the investigation from the begining, who else was sending anti-Trump text messages that were on Muellers team? Jheenee Rhee maybe?
 

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The Deep State did *not* want Trump, and did everything it could to ensure Tony Blair's protoge, Clinton, became president of the USA. And they failed- cos they misjudged the American people when Trump ran on an anti-war ticket, while Clinton was the full blooded psycho war-monger.

And then the Deep State regrouped, had their puppet democrat *losers* go after Trump, while they had their big boys cosy up with trump and win him over and promise him protection against the rabid dogs of the democrats.

So the Deep State won in the end, as always, and now Trump is a slavering war president who loves the two depraved middle east states, and all their obscene mass murdering plans.

Did the NSA/FBI etc conspire against Trump? Yeah- 100% without a doubt. They thought their combined power could easily deny Trump the presidency. Laws were broken- America shamed, and after all that trump still won.

While I hate the fact that Trump is now fully co-opted by the blairites/fabians/alt-left, I love the systemic damage the power infrastructures of the USA suffered when they tried to stop Trump. Plans got delayed for years cos of this. Mankind given another small breathing space.

Blair's low-IQ loyalist, Clinton, would have escalted conflict against Russia in Syria, and used this failure (for it was designed to fail) as a springboard into the genocide of tens of millions of iranians. Blair's biggest curse has always been the quality of his American *tools*. In his homeland, the success of Blair has been unprecedented in Human History. Britain is now Blairland to the tiniest detail.

But while *all* major Americans sing to Blair's tune, their ability to easily carry the general american populace is still way below what blair and his fabians hope for.

PS go watch that Google meeting again where all the biggies at Google express to their workers their outrage at Trump's victory. Google was created as the research and development arm of the NSA. What the masters of Google say at their internal meetings is what a ton of lower level deep state servants think and feel. And all of it is fundamentally anti-American.
 
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^That reads like fan fiction tbh

I would love nothing more than to be on my deathbed, and come to the realization that Eddie Bravo was right all along. about everything. My whole life has been the plot of a Shyamalan twist. I can die in awe.
 

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^That reads like fan fiction tbh

I would love nothing more than to be on my deathbed, and come to the realization that Eddie Bravo was right all along. about everything. My whole life has been the plot of a Shyamalan twist. I can die in awe.
We know you won't believe anything until CNN reports it.
 

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I still haven't heard how the FBI/CIA was able to reconcile these two conflicting positions:

1) We have tons of evidence showing that the Trump campaign colluded with the KGB to rig the 2016 election.

2) But, we never wiretapped the Trump campaign's phones or otherwise spied on them to collect this evidence.


???? !!!!
 

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So the Deep State won in the end, as always, and now Trump is a slavering war president who loves the two depraved middle east states, and all their obscene mass murdering plans.
Rand paul recently said during an interview that he had recently played golf with Trump. Trump told him that he is very antiwar and wants to be remembered as the president who ended the endless wars, but that he was being met with heavy resistance from the democrats, elements of his own party, and the military [i think Rand included the military, i would need to relisten to be 100% sure].

I trust rand paul not to make that up, and it seems in line wkth everything Trump has said, so i see no reason to disbelieve it. The reaction to him trying to leave syria also backs up this account.

So, im inclined to believe this is Trumps ultimate goal, although i recognize how difficult it might be. I most definitely do not agree with your assertion he is a 'slavering war president'. Obama, sure. Not trump.
 
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Does Trump seem like the kind of guy that will let bygones be bygones assuming some of the worst of these accusations turn out to be true?
i've been seeing clueless Dems asking "Oh no what if Trump investigates his rivals in 2020?". why yes investigating political rivals, what a horrible thing to do.... lol

Rand paul recently said during an interview that he had recently played golf with Trump. Trump told him that he is very antiwar and wants to be remembered as the president who ended the endless wars, but that he was being met with heavy resistance from the democrats, elements of his own party, and the military
i buy it, i mean Democrats keep voting "yea" on funding the military year after year. when people like Ilhan Omar that call him a white supremacist turn around and give the military even more money than they ask, you know the establishment war machine is strong
 
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Notice how the Democrats aren't after Mueller to testify anymore?

His little speech was a deal between him and Nadler, if he throws up some impeachment whistles and contradicts his report, Nadler won't ask him to testify. Thats why Mueller did his little mic drop and rode off into the sunset because he thought he was clear.

He will be answering questions from Republicans and its not going to look good for him.

60 days into the investigation he knew that there was no collusion and Papa G was innocent, yet he trucked on for 20 more months to try and get Trump to obstruct him.
 

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Former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page said he was a source for several agencies in the U.S. government for years before he became the subject of the federal investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Working as an American consultant with Russia expertise, he told Fox News that over the years he spoke with the State Department, FBI, and the CIA.

"I was asked various questions, not only by State, FBI, et cetera, but also CIA," he said on "Sunday Morning Futures." "I had a long-standing relationship with the CIA going back decades essentially, and I was always very transparent, open."
So Carter Page was working for Free with the CIA and FBI and DOJ for years. It wasn't like he was some unknown yet they still moved forward with the dirty dossier and FISA warrents to spy on him.

The walls are going to come crumbling down on the corruption.
 
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Bump

So what if its all true and there was FISA abuse, that the either the FBI/DOJ/CIA/HRC or even Obama did make this all up to spy on Trump, entrap him, rig the election, and then try to get rid of him and over turn the 2016 election?

Lets say its all true, that Mifsud was a western intelligence asset, that Papa G was entrapped, that the FBI knew Steele's dossier was phony and committed FISA fraud.

Almost 1 year from when I made this thread and looks like it WAS ALL TRUE.