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|OT| Social Drama What is the battle plan if it comes down to Trump vs Sanders?

JordanN

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Even though it's still early, it's obvious we're now starting to see some Democratic candidates drop out of the race or present themselves as unelectable *cough* Bloomberg.

So assuming out of this race, a Bernie Sanders beats out everyone and gets the nomination, how do you think Trump would go head to head with him in the debates and obviously in the final end of year election?

Keep in mind, the DNC are ruthless. They wont stop at nothing until the White House is theirs. So Trump can't go easy, he has to go in hard.



Here's the map of what we know are safe Democrat and Republican states this election. I left the rest intentionally blank since that's what a Trump vs Sanders election will be about it.

So some ideas:


He needs to win Florida.


It's scary that this one is up for debate, but that's why this is a swing state after all. Florida cannot go blue under any costs. Trump needs to have a direct path to victory, and I think he could achieve this by reminding the Floridans who they are running from. There's a lot of Cubans, and they know what life under socialism is like. Trump needs to hammer this point.

"You just left Cuba. Why the hell do you want to elect another socialist who is going to take away your freedom again?"

We can trust the Floridians to accept this message. They were the first to celebrate when Castro died.






He must appeal to the rust belt.

This is where it could all go down. Bernie Sanders went up against Hillary in 2016 and completely destroyed her up there.

Trump cannot experience the same fate. He must come out on top and have the rust belt under his control.

And yet even in 2016, he still only narrowly won these states by a few thousand votes. Donny can't slip up here.





He must mobilize Texas (and other border states).

Even though I listed Texas as a "safe" Republican state, I still think he needs to energize Texans to come vote for him. Look at California. We all thought the same about that state untill one day, they now switched Democrat and never came back.

The race in Texas is getting tighter and tigher, and the Democrats are willing to spend huge amounts of money to swipe Texas away from the Republicans when the chance arrives.




Don't let Texas become California. Trump needs to promise he will get the wall done and illegal immigrants can't keep sneaking into the country and breaking all the rules.


Watch out for traitors amongst the ranks.


Even though this isn't about Sanders or Democrats, Trump has another threat this election. His own party.
A party needs to be united and willing to move the country forward, not backwards.

And while most Republicans seem to get this message, there are still infiltrators that seek to divide and destroy.



No traitors should be allowed to intefere with the election process. Trump needs to address that the Republican Party aren't just Democrats in sheep's clothing. Earn that trust and Sanders wont be able to make a dent in his gains.
 
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I have no idea what'll happen this year and anyone speaking with the utmost confidence is getting a bit of side-eye from me. I'm not sure if the DNC even prefers a Sanders presidency to a Trump presidency.
Well, the other choices is the CIA Agent (Buttigeg), Mr. Foot in Mouth (Biden), a Larping Native (Warren) and a Literally Who (Klobuchar).

Unless they're going to drag out Hillary's corpse again, does the DNC even have a choice of who their puppet is? The ones they already picked suck.
 
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As long as Trump frequently holds rallies in swing states and maintain Republican voter enthusiasm, he has a good chance of winning re-election. One of the main reasons why he won 2016 was because he campaigned hard in Wisconsin and Michigan the last week before the general election while Hillary stayed at home thinking she had it in the bag.
 
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Point and laugh at Sanders while Trump wins 40 states.
Sanders is persistant.

I think he will use language to try and trick Americans that socialism is what they need.

"But what about medicare for all? Clearly the reason you get sick is because the Billlionaires are hoarding all the wealth!"

He's also going for "woke" points and is pushing for climate refugees hard.





Of course, ordinary Americans can see through all the snake oil, but why the SJW numbers continue rise is because they can trick Republicans into feeling guilty.


Never let your guard down. Speaking as a Canadian, I am trying to warn you guys in the U.S, it can still happen.

That's how we got Trudeau in power. We weren't careful.

 
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Trump almost won New Hampshire in 2016. I would definitely put it as a battle ground state. They have a Republican Governor now and Trump is polling well there.
 
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What platform are Dems even running on? Healthcare? That's about all I can think of because the state of the country is in a pretty damn good shape for someone to try and "fix." I really don't think Sanders is gonna get the nom, I think they'll get Buttigieg to the front one way or another.
 
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What platform are Dems even running on? Healthcare? That's about all I can think of because the state of the country is in a pretty damn good shape for someone to try and "fix." I really don't think Sanders is gonna get the nom, I think they'll get Buttigieg to the front one way or another.
Gun control, open boarders (via abolishing ice), climate change, free healthcare, free education, legalize drugs, more identity politics, tax hikes, free money for Puerto Rico.


Yup, it's everything you imagine it to be.

 

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That would be an angry old man debate I would tune in for.

Has Trump slung any mud at Bernie yet? Or just letting the dems do it for now.
 

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Battle plan?

Lots of popcorn and laughter. Bernie wouldn't have a chance, he would lose the moderates and a small slice of the far left radicals while Trump scoops up tons of disenfranchised voters in the process.

A Bernie candidacy would actually be great for the sake of keeping long-term control in the hands of establishment Democrats. They can finger-wag at the progressives (again) and insist that a more moderate Democrat should've been the candidate.

Like Hillary.

If an establishment Dem like Biden or Buttigieg or Warren takes the nom and loses in 2020, the progressives will get vicious. They can point out the corruption and cheating (again) and insist that the "true Democrat party" has been subverted and needs to be purged from within.

Trump and his two inevitable Republican successors laugh from the sidelines. Curtains close.
 

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You are trying way to hard spinning the statistics. Trump doesn't need a battle plan he beat Hillary and Bernie would lose the south and most of the rust belt.

In fact, all the states in your map that are in Blue are all the states he would win pretty much, just add Virginia, MI, and Colorado, and he may also get Nevada.

Heck Trump could lose Florida if he keeps everything else. Bernie doesn't have the brainwashed media cult or the desperation of Hillary 2016 voters. Also worrying about Texas is crazy, Ted Cruz was a controversial figure who put in effort later than he should to a media backed loser called Beto. Anyone else and Beto would have been steamrolled. Not a good way to gauge Texas voters.

There is literally nothing ti worry about in the unlikely scenario that Bernie gets nominated. It would make things to easy to be honest. Also if Mitt were to pull a Bush it would be for Biden, Amy, Bloomberg, and MAYBE Warren. Not sanders, Mitt would have to be an idiot to vote for Sanders.
 

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it would not be enjoyable to watch, at least Sanders is a honest man and it would not be pretty to get Trump on his ass... Anyway would love Warren to win primary just for that. Would be spectacular.

Anyway, I don't think that Sanders have any chance againts establishment....
 

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You are trying way to hard spinning the statistics. Trump doesn't need a battle plan he beat Hillary and Bernie would lose the south and most of the rust belt.

In fact, all the states in your map that are in Blue are all the states he would win pretty much, just add Virginia, MI, and Colorado, and he may also get Nevada.

Heck Trump could lose Florida if he keeps everything else. Bernie doesn't have the brainwashed media cult or the desperation of Hillary 2016 voters. Also worrying about Texas is crazy, Ted Cruz was a controversial figure who put in effort later than he should to a media backed loser called Beto. Anyone else and Beto would have been steamrolled. Not a good way to gauge Texas voters.

There is literally nothing ti worry about in the unlikely scenario that Bernie gets nominated. It would make things to easy to be honest. Also if Mitt were to pull a Bush it would be for Biden, Amy, Bloomberg, and MAYBE Warren. Not sanders, Mitt would have to be an idiot to vote for Sanders.
Texas is definitely changing . Trump actually got less less votes (percentage wise) than Mitt did in 2012, and Mitt got less votes than Bush in 2004.

It's only a matter of time before Texas becomes a swing state, and then another California. Trump has to stop it or the Republicans wont win another election again.

In fact, look at the Texas Republicans. They're stagnant (only 4.5 million voters in 12 years). It's the Democrat voters in Texas that's growing (2.8 million in 2004, 3.8 million in 2016).

 
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Honestly none of these Dem candidates can do it this time around. We'll see what they come up with in 2024, but this year belongs to the God-Emperor.
 

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Texas is definitely changing . Trump actually got less less votes (percentage wise) than Mitt did in 2012, and Mitt got less votes than Bush in 2004.

It's only a matter of time before Texas becomes a swing state, and then another California. Trump has to stop it or the Republicans wont win another election again.

In fact, look at the Texas Republicans. They're stagnant (only 4.5 million voters in 12 years). It's the Democrat voters in Texas that's growing (2.8 million in 2004, 3.8 million in 2016).

This isn't relevant, you should be blaming your lazy and RINO politicians for the state of Texas, they could have fixed the bleeding issue like Arizona managed to do, except Texas has more control and can easily make better fixes. Trump can't fix that by winning Texas in 2020 (which if he kept everything else he would still win without it as long as he kept Florida)

If Republicans want to kick the garbage out and protect Texas they need to hold the politicians account able replace them with people that will do something. The only thing Trump can do for the State directly is back an opponent to the people not solving the problem, (also you have to consider many people had reservations with mitt in your results)

This is the reason why Beto was able to hold as much ground as he was able to when the polarizing Ted Cruz was running against him. If it wasn't for the few local GOP politicians putting in work Cruz would have lot.
 
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the "changing demographics" arguments, i heard all throughout 2016. i remember people complaining that Bernie came from a super white state, that it would hurt him in the general, despite the country's population being super white in general.

it's gonna come down on who is better at not depressing their own side's turnout. Republicans are a very reliable voting block. by contrast, the media & spurned Hillary stans have too personal of a hatred of the mythical "Bernie Bros.", it's hard to see them not trying to sabotage him. in 2016 i was an open supporter and got so much shit for it that i sat the election out. feel like i have stayed public enemy #1 for 3 years at this point. ironically, most of that was from far leftists that didn't even live in this country. congrats on influencing the vote, foreign actors!

if establishment Dems quell their fragile egos they have a shot. if they want a repeat of purity politics then they'll lose big time.
 
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Trump's strategy of trolling, baiting and misdirection won't work on Sanders because Sanders actually has a program that is vastly different than the establishment's and he focuses on it so every attempt to start political drama would only make Trump look like he has no plan. Sanders also won't condescendingly call Trump supporters deplorable and in fact will try to take them on his side.

If Sanders is the nominee it'll Trump the one who will have to change his strategy this time around and it'll not be easy for him. The mischievous part of me though wants Mayor CIA to be his opponent, Trump would destroy him so completely that DNC would never recover from it, it would be hilarious.
 
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Battle plan?

Lots of popcorn and laughter. Bernie wouldn't have a chance, he would lose the moderates and a small slice of the far left radicals while Trump scoops up tons of disenfranchised voters in the process.

A Bernie candidacy would actually be great for the sake of keeping long-term control in the hands of establishment Democrats. They can finger-wag at the progressives (again) and insist that a more moderate Democrat should've been the candidate.

Like Hillary.

If an establishment Dem like Biden or Buttigieg or Warren takes the nom and loses in 2020, the progressives will get vicious. They can point out the corruption and cheating (again) and insist that the "true Democrat party" has been subverted and needs to be purged from within.

Trump and his two inevitable Republican successors laugh from the sidelines. Curtains close.

Was this made for you
 

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Bernie vs. Trump will entirely come down to voter turnout. If there's solid voter turnout, Bernie will win, if there isn't, Trump will win.

Trumps ardent supporters will show up to vote for him. Bernie will need the voters that don't care for him too much but will ironically "vote blue no matter who" in order to win.
 

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I think voters have wanted "change" since 2008, and the election has more or less gone that way every time. Sanders definitely represents significant change, and lots of people are hungry for that.

But the odds are always in favor of the incumbent. It's easier to switch party dominance when they are both new candidates. And the economy is going well for the most part right now, so that helps Trump as well, and it shows in his high (for him) approval numbers right now.

Add to that, the DNC is actively sabotaging their most competitive and popular candidate at every possible chance, so that changes everything. Literally lying, cheating, rigging the media, rigging elections, constant false headlines and skewed coverage at all times every day. So Sanders has to overcome opposition from every angle, and he's done that incredibly well so far simply because he is literally the most trusted politician in the country (literally).

The debates could be a big factor this time, because I think a lot of people would actually be open to listening if it was Trump vs. Sanders. People would actually tune in and want to hear their plans and critiques, because I think people would genuinely be open to either one, since they're both outsiders.

Sanders has a history of winning over republicans critical of the establishment. He is the only candidate that can take Trump head on as a more populist candidate than even Trump is. Odds are in Trump's favor at the moment, but it would be competitive. And Sanders has polled ahead of Trump in head to head polls since literally 2015.
 

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Sanders has a history of winning over republicans critical of the establishment. He is the only candidate that can take Trump head on as a more populist candidate than even Trump is. Odds are in Trump's favor at the moment, but it would be competitive. And Sanders has polled ahead of Trump in head to head polls since literally 2015.
If Sanders didn't go down the "orange man bad" train, he could have at least won over the independents/centrists from Trump.

An actual anti-war President, who wants to put America first and focus on its workers could totally have posed a threat to Trump. That's what Democrats should have been about it but they threw it all away to be the party based on feelings and helping non-Americans.
 
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Depends on who Sander's VP pick will be.
I think Tulsi would be an amazing pick. Appeals to some on the right, who begrudgingly admit they respect her. Experience with foreign policy, and the military which shores up some of Sanders' perceived weakness. And she is not a corrupt DNC insider warhawk.

If Sanders didn't go down the "orange man bad" train, he could have at least won over the independents/centrists from Trump.

An actual anti-war President, who wants to put America first and focus on its workers could totally have posed a threat to Trump. That's what Democrats should have been about it but they threw it all away to be the party based on feelings and helping non-Americans.
I think Sanders has mostly stayed on the same message since like ... 1960. He is critical of Trump, but his priorities have always been the same thing, and I didn't really see him waver from that at all.

When Trump won, I remember Sanders was actually the only one that didn't exclusively insult Trump, but instead stated right away that he's eager to work with Trump on the things he promised in his campaign, like opposing TPP, large infrastructure spending to upgrade American bridges and electrical grids (and provide jobs).

I'm really only critical of Sanders' immigration plan at this point, which I think should be focused more on enforcement and securing the border. You guys managed to persuade me on that issue a while ago. No candidate is perfect. Sanders hits enough of the issues I want to easily win my support at the moment.
 
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I'm really only critical of Sanders' immigration plan at this point, which I think should be focused more on enforcement and securing the border. You guys managed to persuade me on that issue a while ago. No candidate is perfect. Sanders hits enough of the issues I want to easily win my support at the moment.
Securing the border and enforcing it can absolutely be done as part of a deal on immigration. It's been attempted before and will likely happen again.

The question is whether you will get enough people on both sides willing to compromise.
 
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Securing the border and enforcing it can absolutely be as part of a deal on immigration. It's been attempted before and will likely happen again.

The question is whether you will get enough people on both sides willing to compromise.
Yeah, honestly it was a completely bipartisan issue until Trump managed to make it as toxic as it is now. Prior to him, every democratic president was saying the same thing. I think it'll probably go back to that after Trump, just because the DNC doesn't want to participate in anything that helps him on this issue, since they went out of their way to link it to his perceived racism. After that, no one talked about the issue anymore intelligently, and really just talked about his racism alone. Total stupidity. You can see lots of Obama speeches where he was basically saying the same stuff, just in a much less inflammatory way.
 
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Trump will easily win. Just keep doing what he's doing.

Democrats SHOULD already know that just because you got loud left wing voters, 90% of the media grilling Trump every day, and every poll out there saying Democrat will win, means absolutely nothing.

Problem is they focus too much on the loud lefties. Sure, they will vote left. But just like the typical righty, and I believe moderate lefty they are more low key and looking for moderate policies.

Sanders might have caught fire last 3 months at 25% ratings. But add up moderates like Butt, Biden and Amy, and that's around 50%.

If Sanders is the guy to forge ahead, some of those 50% moderate democrats will go right.

I have no proof of this, but I see more moderate lefties going Trump because Sanders is too socialist, than Trump supporters suddenly hating Trump and going Bernie.

Don't be surprised if Trump wins by a bigger margin than vs. Hillary.
 

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He must appeal to the rust belt.

This is where it could all go down. Bernie Sanders went up against Hillary in 2016 and completely destroyed her up there.

Trump cannot experience the same fate. He must come out on top and have the rust belt under his control.

And yet even in 2016, he still only narrowly one these states by a few thousand votes. Donny can't slip up here.
That's pretty much what sealed the deal for Trump, and he barely won it, due to Clinton's imcompetance and taking the working class for granted. Trump needs to rely on his record to show that he's better than Bernie overall for their issues, but I don't think that's going to be easy. It comes down to Bernie's overall better default appeal to the rust belt vs Trump's approach plus the benefits he would have as an incumbent with a decent economy.

Bernie would need to make the case that the Trump economy is disproportionately good for the people up top, and not as good for working people as it should be.
 
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I kinda want Sanders to win just to show how ineffectual of a leader he would be.
 

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I think there's a solid chance Sanders wins the most states and delegates. However, it will probably go to a contested convention where the DNC throws it to Bloomberg.

If it's Sanders, we already know Trump is calling him "Crazy Bernie." I don't think he could beat Trump as long as the rails don't fall off the economy.
 

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Bernie represents uncertainity. He wants to make drastic changes to the most productive US economies in decades. He won't have a chance. He's old and has a weak heart to boot. While I like him and I would love to try out his wild socialist plan alternate universe, now isn't the time.

There was no safe vote last election, this time there is. We all know what we're getting with Trump. Stuff people care about like jobs. He's an asshole, he can be dangerous, but I think other nations respect that. They have to. Bernie is completely unknown leading a country. Great guy with neat ideas, but he will not win.
 
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Good luck. You'd probably have to figure out how to win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Ohio etc...states that Trump only won in 2016 thanks to Hillary Clinton being the nominee.

Bernie Sanders is far more liked than she could ever hope to be (despite the delusions in her own head). All of those states and probably more would swing back for Sanders.

Sanders vs Trump would be something to see though with what would undoubtedly be the biggest turnout of voters the country has seen in it's history. We could I think hit 60+% for the first time since the 60s. Edit: We have not hit 63% voter turnout in well over 100 years. JFK/Nixon hit damn close to 63. I think it's stretching, but a possibility with Trump vs Sanders.
 
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That's pretty much what sealed the deal for Trump, and he barely won it, due to Clinton's imcompetance and taking the working class for granted. Trump needs to rely on his record to show that he's better than Bernie overall for their issues, but I don't think that's going to be easy. It comes down to Bernie's overall better default appeal to the rust belt vs Trump's approach plus the benefits he would have as an incumbent with a decent economy.

Bernie would need to make the case that the Trump economy is disproportionately good for the people up top, and not as good for working people as it should be.
The unions are already beginning to turn on Sanders on M4A. It’s gonna be a lot more difficult for him in the rust belt than he thinks.
 

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Trump should lose weight. He got away with it last time because Hilary was an awful candidate but people aren’t going to want to vote for a fatty. This could be pivotal.