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What is this narrative that Sony skipping E3 was a good choice?
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It’s too early to show anything new as they’ll save that thunder for the PS5 official reveal. We’ve also pretty much seen enough of TLOU2, Dreams, Ghosts of Tsushima, or at least enough until closer to release. They just showed Death Stranding recently.
So I don’t know I’d say it’s a positive to have skipped it, but it definitely probably wasn’t worth spending the money to do it from a profit standpoint. Showing more of known upcoming releases isn’t going to sell a bunch of PS4s. They can do their own show around the holidays and early next year when their last few big exclusives are close to launching.
So I don’t know I’d say it’s a positive to have skipped it, but it definitely probably wasn’t worth spending the money to do it from a profit standpoint. Showing more of known upcoming releases isn’t going to sell a bunch of PS4s. They can do their own show around the holidays and early next year when their last few big exclusives are close to launching.
kevin_trinh
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Sony throws some info on Wired and release Death Stranding trailer, everything Ms did in E3 turn to shit. Ez win lmao
Grand Theft Scratchy
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It's bad when Sony does it, but when Microsoft does it, it's okay.
Or when someone says something bad about Microsoft then it's the other way around.
That's how I feel. You can't even react a certain way to what happens at E3 without being called out on it, like we're in the wrong for praising Sony for making the decision not to hold their own press conference this year.
Thread title could easily be "What is this opinion that Sony skipping E3 was a good choice?"
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JohnnyFootball
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Phil-NeoGAF
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Sony skipping E3 this year was a good thing. Last year was easily their worst conference since the launch of the PS4. Plus, they barely showed anything new.
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bitbydeath
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They would’ve just taken half or more of what MS showed off and then sprinkled in a few trailers on first party games we already know about.
It wouldn’t have been a great showing since they’re not ready to show their PS5 titles yet.
It wouldn’t have been a great showing since they’re not ready to show their PS5 titles yet.
SlashBringingHasher
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a multibillion dollar corporation can't have a development system where theres at least 1 game ready to show every year?. pathetic,
thats not the Sony I lived with
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CuNi
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Not saying everybody, but the trend on here clearly is that if you say something in favor of Microsoft, you're delusional and if you say something against Sony, then you are just a jealous MS-Fanboy.
Same goes for AMD/NVIDIA. I think there's only but a few people left that one could talk about such matters left on GAF. I don't really know when people got so invested into consoles, that was one of the reasons I never got why people like sports and start bar fights if their team loses and now the same is happening to forums about consoles.
AV
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Is everyone still going to buy Death Stranding, The Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima? Yeah? Are Sony still going to have a PS5 next year? Can they just show us trailers closer to the actual release or the game?
So why did they need to show up at E3 again?
So why did they need to show up at E3 again?
FranXico
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FranXico
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They just use the blog for that nowadays. Indie aficionados are also used to looking up there for new games.
meanspartan
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I dont think them missing the show is any kind of "gain", but they had to be a little worried Microsoft would have an amazing show while they were silent.
Didn't happen, the MS show was just ok. So Sony got away with skipping and was not damaged by it.
Didn't happen, the MS show was just ok. So Sony got away with skipping and was not damaged by it.
FranXico
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Naturally, it was a calculated risk, because they knew Microsoft is also gearing up for next gen and wouldn't have as much to show for current gen as usual.
Under slightly different circumstances, they might have been forced to show up anyway. Most of the announcements would have been the stuff they showed in the State of Play videos and some filler (hopefully without the bloody pan pipes and flutes).
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ZenTheShogun
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Is this the narrative we're going with - that MS showed nothing just because there was no gameplay? I mean I was playing Siege while watching the MS conference but they announced like 10-15 exclusives all coming within the next 1.5 years lol Sony showed like 6 fucking games last year and played orchestral music for like 20 minutes and didn't get shit on as much as MS. FFS. Thank god I own all consoles and a PC so I don't have to pretend that things are awesome and/or suck.
xool
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It's right here :
www.neogaf.com
Thank you Sony.
For doing the humane thing and not contributing to the shit show of E3 2019. Thanks to you I won't have an hour of my life taken away from me and will go and eat mexican food instead. Everybody on GAF owes Sony a debt of gratitude for this.
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Psykodad
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Everybody could've seen MS's mediocre show coming from a mile away.
That's why Sony didn't bother.
Only die-hard Xbox fans and self-proclaimed "true" multi-platform gamers thought/think MS will ever make a strong comeback.
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xool
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This isn't true though - some of us had reasonable expectations of Fable reveal, Halo infinite proper reveal, something that didn't look like total trash from Ninja Theory, something AMAZING from Obsidian etc etc.
If their production/pr was functioning properly I think we would have seen much of this - but we didn't.
Psykodad
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So, basically what I said.
Seriously, anybody really think Sony would skip E3 if Xbox was a threat in any way?
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Angry_Megalodon
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The decision will be right if Sony makes their own event and blows everything shown at E3 out of the water.
If they don't communicate anything, the decision will be wrong because it's better to be talked about negatively than not being talked about at all.
If they don't communicate anything, the decision will be wrong because it's better to be talked about negatively than not being talked about at all.
gunslikewhoa
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You seem upset. Who's the real fanboy here?
CeeJay
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So many people seem happy that Sony skipped E3, I am happy that you are happy with it. I don't get why you have to try and play down Microsoft's conference as well to try and put a MS = bad, Sony = good spin on it. I thought Microsoft's conference was not too bad, certainly not one of the best but also far from the worst, it was a solid 7.5.
Plenty of new games, flight sim stole the whole show for me.
Loads of third party premieres
New improved Elite controller
Some new info about Xcloud
Some new info about next gen console
New studio acquisition
If Sony had of turned up and shown all this but for PlayStation instead of Xbox I am damn sure a lot of you guys would be calling it a 10 out of 10 grand slam!
Plenty of new games, flight sim stole the whole show for me.
Loads of third party premieres
New improved Elite controller
Some new info about Xcloud
Some new info about next gen console
New studio acquisition
If Sony had of turned up and shown all this but for PlayStation instead of Xbox I am damn sure a lot of you guys would be calling it a 10 out of 10 grand slam!
Yeah, I think E3 has something of an "identity crisis" to be honest.
It ought to just be a convention where people can go and play upcoming games and maybe some of the media types can get interviews with the devs and/or important figures in the industry.
The big attraction though is these 2 hour long conferences that are just a barrage of game trailers and "surprises".
Sometimes I think you have to just not like video games to not be happy with a series of trailers for new game that are coming but inevitably what people are looking for is not realistic.
I mean, is anyone REALLY surprised that Nintendo have another Zelda in development. Folks though BotW was the end for the Zelda franchise or something? It's just such a "false" surprise. Even if I am fucking delighted there will be a BotW sequel.
You can kind of blame the media and the community because every year the big question is "who won E3".
So it's a shame for companies to put so much into their presentation only for the audience to say "nah, this didn't win E3".
The rumors predict stupid things like major releases dropping "right now". As if that will happen.
Then when it all dies down people are like "I only wished to see Game X".
I saw some comment on another thread where the poster says they only bought a Switch for Bayonetta 3 and now they are pissed because it wasn't even shown. Fuck, that's kind of depressing.
So, hilariously, Sony says "fuck this" and stays away from E3 and of course people say "Sony won E3 by not showing up".
People will just NEVER be satisfied with these announcement presentations because fundamentally it's just an announcement.
E3 would be better off if the focus was on more intimate gameplay demos and interviews instead of packed crowds feeling obligated to clap and cheer a trailer.
JordanN
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This is why e3 is at its best when it's about a new console reveal. All the new information is exclusively revealed there and we do get to see a hands on demo of it.
Prime example, look at the original DS reveal.
In just 4 minutes, we are already told what's it's purpose, what's it's function, what it looks like, and what's coming to it.
But when e3 is not about new hardware, it's just a really long montage of game trailers you could later look up online.
baphomet
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Having been to E3 multiple times since the Atlanta one in 97, I can say without a doubt that E3s are mostly pointless. Especially since the dawn of the internet era.
Now Sony will have their own conference and have literally no other news to go up against. Had they done it at E3 they'd be competing with every company there to try and get mindshare for their announcements.
E3 is a dinosaur.
Now Sony will have their own conference and have literally no other news to go up against. Had they done it at E3 they'd be competing with every company there to try and get mindshare for their announcements.
E3 is a dinosaur.
sublimit
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The way this industry has become (especially with all that obsession for games to become hollywood movies with insane budgets which more than half go to marketing in order to sell their ultra-safe and uninspired concepts) i realize that it's not possible anymore to have an annual solid E3 show without those publishers ultimately repeating themselves and bring out disappointment to media and consumers who always expect new things. And it's not only about the platform owners,look at how abyssmal this E3 was for everyone except SE and Nintendo (Nintendo is a unique case in today's market due to their gamecentric philosophies when it comes to game development).
So because i understand that it's not possible for EVERYONE to have an annual solid and interesting presentation anymore (maybe not even biannual) i'd really appreciate it if they stop mocking us in front of our faces with half-arsed shows and waste our times as well as disappoint us. Ideally they should also stop this annual stupid E3 hyping game (see MS) when they know they can't deliver because it's really insulting for anyone who isn't a fanboy or an astroturfer.
So because i understand that it's not possible for EVERYONE to have an annual solid and interesting presentation anymore (maybe not even biannual) i'd really appreciate it if they stop mocking us in front of our faces with half-arsed shows and waste our times as well as disappoint us. Ideally they should also stop this annual stupid E3 hyping game (see MS) when they know they can't deliver because it's really insulting for anyone who isn't a fanboy or an astroturfer.
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OmaeWaMouShindiggity
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Just change E3 to every 2-3 years instead of every year. Problem solved. If you cant give me a quality conference with 24 months of planning then that just means E3 needs to die off and all companies do their own personal conferences and keynotes.
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OmaeWaMouShindiggity
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I will say this, its amazing Sony is getting no real flack (from Sony fans) for not showing up. In what crazy world do we punish the people who at least ATTEMPTED to make a showing and praise the people who made zero effort?
I would flambé Microsoft if it was the other way around.
Microsoft didn't have to show up either, but they know E3 is still important to a large community of both casual and hardcore gamers so they spent money to at least give some type of showing. Good or bad, at least they competed. Sony basically said "f you guys we skipping this year"...and this is a good thing....for gamers? As a community we now love zero effort?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I would flambé Microsoft if it was the other way around.
Microsoft didn't have to show up either, but they know E3 is still important to a large community of both casual and hardcore gamers so they spent money to at least give some type of showing. Good or bad, at least they competed. Sony basically said "f you guys we skipping this year"...and this is a good thing....for gamers? As a community we now love zero effort?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
sublimit
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Are you the same person who typed both of these posts?
In your first post you actually explain to yourself why it makes sense to not having these companies show up annualy if they don't have anything substantial to show. And then in your next post you sound like a bitter fanboy who is angry that he didn't get his chance to "punish" a publisher for what would have been an underwhelming conference.
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
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Because I have the capability to see both sides and not just blindly attack one side of the debate. I see one issue is that E3 is too often not giving companies time to create fulfilling presentations. That can be fixed with changing E3 from a yearly convention to every few years.
HOW. EV. ER.
That's not the case yet, so until that gets changed, my expectation is to see the big three at E3. And not crucify one side for putting up a showing and praising the other side for making no attempt at all. If that thought process wasn't clear enough, my apologies.
sublimit
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On the contrary i think that has been the case a long time ago. Just look at how bad-mediocre both Sony's and MS's past E3 conferences have been and how much better they would have been if they showed up once every 2-3 years.
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I think it's the end of the generation and nobody has shit worth showing. Sony's choice to skip E3 was a strange one for sure, but I can't help but feel that E3 didn't need to happen at all.
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
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Yes I agree, which was the point of my first post. So these companies need to be like "Hey, this current convention schedule isn't gonna work anymore with how complex game development has become. We need a minimum of 2 years, preferably 3 between each E3. 12 months isn't feasible."
We still have a ton of smaller conferences they can pop up at.
But until that's official, at least show up. A lot of people don't actually sit at their computers like I do and keep up with trailers and gaming news the moment it's released. So I'm not gonna love Sony for sitting out while concurrently judging Microsoft for at least trying to give me something at E3 worth watching.
sublimit
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It may didn't need to happen for Sony and others but Nintendo and Square Enix proved they had a lot of substantial new trailers,games and info to communicate. That's why i'm not so sure if it's a good idea to not have an E3 at all for 2-3 years. But then again if they REALLY need to show something in-between they can have their own shows/directs.
One thing is for sure though.As years pass by and games become more and more demanding and expensive we really need to temper our expectations significantly for these shows and not fall for their PR hype.
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I wonder if the resurgence in pre-rendered trailers is a reaction to all the recent "downgrade" controversies?
The thing people outside the business I dont think realize most of the time is that trailers/demo's etc are all separate child products of the title they are representing. Being asked to do one of these things is a project in itself; the goal being to make the best (and most solid, if its playable) impression for some date well in advance of submitting the final build of the parent.
Reverting to CG has a bunch of advantages insofar as (1) it can be outsourced, or at least reallocated to a separate animation team, (2) minimizing disruption to ongoing development, and (3) side-steps all the issues regarding matching 1:1 with the final at a time when footage gets dissected obsessively by the internet.
The thing people outside the business I dont think realize most of the time is that trailers/demo's etc are all separate child products of the title they are representing. Being asked to do one of these things is a project in itself; the goal being to make the best (and most solid, if its playable) impression for some date well in advance of submitting the final build of the parent.
Reverting to CG has a bunch of advantages insofar as (1) it can be outsourced, or at least reallocated to a separate animation team, (2) minimizing disruption to ongoing development, and (3) side-steps all the issues regarding matching 1:1 with the final at a time when footage gets dissected obsessively by the internet.
ConnorDuffy1977
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What does a company get if they 'win' E3?
FranXico
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The fans feel important. "My dad beat your dad", etc.
For the company, mindshare. Publicity. Easier marketing going forward.
VincentMatts
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It wasnt. Even a bad conference is good publicity imo. MS was meh at e3, but im sure that just going there, talking about gampass games for console and pc still got them a bunch of new customers on both platforms. Thats what its ultimately about.
No one in the world says: "Hey sony wasnt there, and i respect that. Let me go buy a ps4!" No one.
The only people pushing that narrative are fanboys.
No one in the world says: "Hey sony wasnt there, and i respect that. Let me go buy a ps4!" No one.
The only people pushing that narrative are fanboys.
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