What's going on in France?

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When they are paying 7$ a gallon and Macron wants to up it even more that was the straw that broke the camel's back
French pay $7 US per gallon? That's unreal. What a cash grab.

In Canada, gas prices have dropped lately in the GTA to about $1,00-1.05/liter for regular.... so about $3.80-4.00/gallon.... which is roughly $3.00/gallon in US $.

And French are paying more than double? Wow.

Although to be fair...... I don't know what the exact policies are there..... but French societies typically have very liberal government/social programs. So taxes skew up. Same with Quebec. Lots of subsidies, but taxes skew up.

You want more freebies, got to pay up.
 
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French pay $7 US per gallon? That's unreal. What a cash grab.

In Canada, gas prices have dropped lately in the GTA to about $1,00-1.05/liter for regular.... so about $3.80-4.00/gallon.... which is roughly $3.00/gallon in US $.

And French are paying more than double? Wow.

Although to be fair...... I don't know what the exact policies are there..... but French societies typically have very liberal government/social programs. So taxes skew up. Same with Quebec. Lots of subsidies, but taxes skew up.

You want more freebies, got to pay up.
Yeah most countries in the UN pay a shit load for gas, and it's usually about 60% taxes

I'll never understand when people wnat to protest and the government says they're only allowed to protest in a certain area, what the fuck do you think a protest is you cunts?
 
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I might as well post in here too. The protests are doing a good thing by alleviating the people from this gas tax burned. There are other ways to push for green initiatives.

The news now is that the protesters are pushing for reinstating the wealth tax macron got rid of. Good luck to them.
 
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I might as well post in here too. The protests are doing a good thing by alleviating the people from this gas tax burned. There are other ways to push for green initiatives.

The news now is that the protesters are pushing for reinstating the wealth tax macron got rid of. Good luck to them.
Woah a wealth tax? Now you're cookin with gas. Also there goes all the support from american cons lol
 
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Yeah most countries in the UN pay a shit load for gas, and it's usually about 60% taxes

I'll never understand when people wnat to protest and the government says they're only allowed to protest in a certain area, what the fuck do you think a protest is you cunts?
Depends on the protest. If its against the government i couldn't care less where they did it. If its against other groups of people that do something like a festival they should allocate spaces. As things can escalate for the worse really quick.

We had a thing here where 10 people started to demonstrate against a festival but didn't realize they where surrounded by 200 football hooligan supporters and shit started to get real bad real fast when they started top open there mouth.

They would have been far better off if they had a place to stand and protected by cops as result and even then another group had to flee with the cops because the situation was not hold able.
 
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Yeah most countries in the UN pay a shit load for gas, and it's usually about 60% taxes

I'll never understand when people wnat to protest and the government says they're only allowed to protest in a certain area, what the fuck do you think a protest is you cunts?
It's mostly for safety reasons (and the chaotic demonstrations of last week are a good counter-example)
You can't let large crowds run around tight streets without a minimum of planning. You do it for concerts and world cups, why wouldn't you do it for even larger crowds ?
 
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It's mostly for safety reasons (and the chaotic demonstrations of last week are a good counter-example)
You can't let large crowds run around tight streets without a minimum of planning. You do it for concerts and world cups, why wouldn't you do it for even larger crowds ?
In those cases you're not protesting the government are you?
If you follow the rules the government says, you're barely protesting at that point, just do what we say and stfu about it.
 
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Protesting doesn't mean anarchy. You can criticize the government while still respecting the law. Same law that grants and protects your right to protest actually.
 
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Yes the government is very centralized in france; this is why they are able to provide better health care for cheaper for all its citizens. Their right to protest matches closely how we view freedom of speech in the states. something the french are very proud of
 
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Yes the government is very centralized in france; this is why they are able to provide better health care for cheaper for all its citizens. Their right to protest matches closely how we view freedom of speech in the states. something the french are very proud of
How do you know its better and cheaper? Not saying it is or is not. But seems like a big claim that requires some data.
 
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How do you know its better and cheaper? Not saying it is or is not. But seems like a big claim that requires some data.
Its better than nothing thats for sure.. but it being actually better... yeah thats a stretch considering the rich dont take up the services provide in france or most of europe really and leave for the US when its about surgeries for example.
Which makes sense good doctors move to the places that get them the most money.. but again its still better than nothing.
 
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How do you know its better and cheaper? Not saying it is or is not. But seems like a big claim that requires some data.
here you go
https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

the average cost of health care per person in france is something like $2500 while in the US its like $8,000 per year. You're getting top level care in the states, but you're also paying way more - yet France has better outcomes? This is in part because the aim of health care in the US is to make money while in France their aim is to provide an efficient system in order to reduce cost. the incentive for the french govt is to keep you healthy while in the US at the end of the day, you are worth more if you are sick. this is a fundamental problem in our health care system.
 
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Its better than nothing thats for sure.. but it being actually better... yeah thats a stretch considering the rich dont take up the services provide in france or most of europe really and leave for the US when its about surgeries for example.
Which makes sense good doctors move to the places that get them the most money.. but again its still better than nothing.
Only the best all-around healthcare system in the world, according to the WHO. "Better than nothing", I guess.
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/
The World Health Organization has carried out the first ever analysis of the world's health systems. Using five performance indicators to measure health systems in 191 member states, it finds that France provides the best overall health care followed among major countries by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan.
 
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This is what failed neoliberalism looks like. For all the talk and hopes on ecological taxes, automated future, globalization, forced multicultralism, and ever decreasing specialized jobs that are the only ones left with good wages, they ultimately forgot the human element in the rural and surburban areas. No they wont go quietly into the night and become well fed serfs, no they wont give up thier cars and move into closets in the local metropolis, with a rent rate that could choke a soros. No they dont like their cultures changing from night to day over the course of a lifespan. No they will not face the brunt of taxes and accept ever declining social services. No they will not be content with jobs, whose pay and benefits have been undermined by global competition from wage slave states.

And to think, neoliberals have the snarky gall to think the working and middle classes in the western world will meekly accept an automated future with a universal basic income and be content with their netflix, second hand clothing and cheap processed foods. The idle hands of the masses will wrap around the neck of future macrons and every davosian elite they can snag, before their flight to Aruba can take off.
 
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No they dont like their cultures changing from night to day over the course of a lifespan.
The car culture is no older than a lifespan. It's not like it's an ancient thing. Also it specifically destroyed the activity of smaller towns where complaints are at their highest, since people take their car to do everything, killing city center business and making public transport harder to develop for lack of users.
The sad thing is that the evolution of society could benefit to those smaller towns, the future is in developing local activity at smaller scale but more places, since cities are saturated.
 
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The car culture is no older than a lifespan. It's not like it's an ancient thing. Also it specifically destroyed the activity of smaller towns where complaints are at their highest, since people take their car to do everything, killing city center business and making public transport harder to develop for lack of users.
The sad thing is that the evolution of society could benefit to those smaller towns, the future is in developing local activity at smaller scale but more places, since cities are saturated.
I like the idea of smaller, hundred thousand or so mini cities that are condensed. Better sense of community, lower crime, lower pollution, cheaper, lower population density, more social cohesion. But that certainly isnt what is happening currently and for the forseeable future. Its more like judge dredd city planning.
 
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Uh...these aren't fuel protests anymore. Seems the worst is yet to come. Yellow Vests are gearing up to storm Macaronis residence. And have promised to come armed. Macaroni has brought 90,000 troops in to guard himself. It's an insurrection.
 
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I like the idea of smaller, hundred thousand or so mini cities that are condensed. Better sense of community, lower crime, lower pollution, cheaper, lower population density, more social cohesion. But that certainly isnt what is happening currently and for the forseeable future. Its more like judge dredd city planning.
No government would allow that.

It would cost too much to manage infrastructure of a very spread out mini cities everywhere.

For sake of cutting down on costs, and maximizing tax revenue (high density areas or rich downtown areas), it's in a city's best interest to jam people in like sardines and hope and pray it's a popular area where real estate prices go through the roof so they collect more taxes.
 
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No government would allow that.

It would cost too much to manage infrastructure of a very spread out mini cities everywhere.

For sake of cutting down on costs, and maximizing tax revenue (high density areas or rich downtown areas), it's in a city's best interest to jam people in like sardines and hope and pray it's a popular area where real estate prices go through the roof so they collect more taxes.
Most French governments in the past decades have been actively trying to decentralize the country, give more responsibility to local administration, urge small villages that are too small to manage to group themselves in communities...
one of the big current projects is to develop high speed internet all over the country, down to the tiniest of villages.
 
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here you go
https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

the average cost of health care per person in france is something like $2500 while in the US its like $8,000 per year. You're getting top level care in the states, but you're also paying way more - yet France has better outcomes? This is in part because the aim of health care in the US is to make money while in France their aim is to provide an efficient system in order to reduce cost. the incentive for the french govt is to keep you healthy while in the US at the end of the day, you are worth more if you are sick. this is a fundamental problem in our health care system.
Sure, cost for healthcare is higher in the US, but the quality healthcare is also higher in the US than in France.

Cancer survival rate is a very common way to compare the quality of healthcare :
http://gco.iarc.fr/today/online-ana...e%2C%22mort%22%3Atrue%2C%22prev%22%3Afalse%7D
(Click on TABLE to see the numbers better)

For most cancers, the US has lower incidence rates and also lower mortality rates compared to France. Sometimes significantly so.

This tells me that US healthcare both has better preventive healthcare when it comes to cancer as well as better treatment for cancers than France.
(Which is at odds with the common conception that "we live much healthier than the americans" that most europeans have.)


Seems like the money that the US spends is worth it. At least for the folks that get cancer.

(US is in the top for cancer survival, nordic countris still does pretty well :
https://www.healio.com/hematology-o...-survival-rates-remain-among-highest-in-world
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Some extremely expensive cancer treatments are not available in Europe which increases mortality for cancer patients. One famous example was the Lockerbie bomber who was about to die in captivity from cancer. But once he got back to Libya he got an expensive treatment that kept him alive longer then he could have been in Europe.

Yes, in this case health care in Libya under Gadaffi was better then in Scotland.
 
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Uh...these aren't fuel protests anymore. Seems the worst is yet to come. Yellow Vests are gearing up to storm Macaronis residence. And have promised to come armed. Macaroni has brought 90,000 troops in to guard himself. It's an insurrection.
Some of the stuff I've been seeing is really alarming.
 
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Uh...these aren't fuel protests anymore. Seems the worst is yet to come. Yellow Vests are gearing up to storm Macaronis residence. And have promised to come armed. Macaroni has brought 90,000 troops in to guard himself. It's an insurrection.
sigh, "guard himself"... The police is deployed to protect the population, Macron doesn't need additional physical protection. The ones who suffered from the riots until now are regular people who didn't take part to it, but had their cars burnt, Windows broken or schools blocked.
Stop pretending this is a coup against a dictatorship, the government is currently trying to bring back calm and respect of the law.
 
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sigh, "guard himself"... The police is deployed to protect the population, Macron doesn't need additional physical protection. The ones who suffered from the riots until now are regular people who didn't take part to it, but had their cars burnt, Windows broken or schools burnt.
Stop pretending this is a coup against a dictatorship, the government is currently trying to bring back calm and respect of the law.
Nah man, the French are using their 2nd amendment rights to get rid of (((globalism)))
My dick is rock solid right now
 
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89,000 gendarmes. Paramilitary police forces with full military style training, aka tactical units of uniformed men with machine guns.

'Police'. :messenger_tears_of_joy:


And yes, by using the army to crack down on protesters, he's shielding his regime and by extension himself.
 
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89,000 gendarmes. Paramilitary police forces with full military style training, aka tactical units of uniformed men with machine guns.

'Police'. :messenger_tears_of_joy:.
Yup, police. First, not all gendarmes are members of GIGN, most are just doing regular police stuff like catching burglars or controlling speed limits. They are actually often redundant with the regular police (which btw has its own paramilitary group too, aka RAID), which is why both police and gendarmerie are under the orders of the minister of interior.
Second, the entirety of the gendarmerie is only 100000 men. So it's technically impossible to deploy 90k gendarmes simultaneously. The 90k men are taken from different corps, some of which are actually specialized in crowd control (Ike CRS)

And of course like MisterFalcon said, it has nothing to do with protecting Macron himself.
 
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Wait, doesn't the right hate riots?
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While the left takes to the streets to protest made-up social justice issues, it takes a lot more to get the right to do the same. What do you do when your livelihood is destroyed?

Someone should tell them this is a good thing. It will make all of the polar bears immortal, and create taxes to give to those who are oppressed.
 
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While the left takes to the streets to protest made-up social justice issues, it takes a lot more to get the right to do the same. What do you do when your livelihood is destroyed?

Someone should tell them this is a good thing. It will make all of the polar bears immortal, and create taxes to give to those who are oppressed.
I am apprehensive about these things period, and will never support burning innocent people's cars from any side. But you are not missing the mark. Huge difference between "they voted for someone I don't like - let's drag them from a car and beat them" or "that gay guy who wants to speak is a Nazi, let's destroy the campus"; and "we are being taxed to death and the government is putting the rich and global interests above us once again - let's replace the government."
 
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I am apprehensive about these things period, and will never support burning innocent people's cars from any side. But you are not missing the mark. Huge difference between "they voted for someone I don't like - let's drag them from a car and beat them" or "that gay guy who wants to speak is a Nazi, let's destroy the campus"; and "we are being taxed to death and the government is putting the rich and global interests above us once again - let's replace the government."
"It's okay when we do it"

Just say that. You don't have to bend over backwards to make excuses, everyone is used to right wing hypocrisy since time immemorial.

Your premise is also silly since right wingers tend to be much more violent in general, frequently for the silliest or even outright made up issues, it's just that they mostly lash out individually for obvious reasons.
 
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"It's okay when we do it"

Just say that. You don't have to bend over backwards to make excuses, everyone is used to right wing hypocrisy since time immemorial.

Your premise is also silly since right wingers tend to be much more violent in general, frequently for the silliest or even outright made up issues, it's just that they mostly lash out individually for obvious reasons.
No - it's not ok when anyone starts burning innocent people's property, as I unequivocally said. My personal belief that one group has legitimate reasons to be pissed was not meant to justify the means for the ends. The means are wrong period.

As for the claims right wingers are more violent, my TV since November 2016 says that is a lie. And as for right wingers get upset over the silliest things, well, "Baby it's cold outside!"
 
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No - it's not ok when anyone starts burning innocent people's property, as I unequivocally said. My personal belief that one group has legitimate reasons to be pissed was not meant to justify the means for the ends. The means are wrong period.

As for the claims right wingers are more violent, my TV since November 2016 says that is a lie. And as for right wingers get upset over the silliest things, well, "Baby it's cold outside!"
How many people does your tv tell you lost their lives to right wing extremism vs left wing extremism in the past year alone? How many people have leftists even killed in 2018? Or do you put knocking over a trash can on the same level of violence as shooting up a synagogue?
 
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French Socialists Call for General Strike to Oust Macron, Abolish Senate

Even Leftists are getting in on the action. This is where all the various dissident groups come out of the woodwork. Most revolutions are hijacked mid-way through by niche elements. If it does come down to a collapse of the state, neither the yellow vests nor the mainstream socialist groups will be left holding the reigns. Something new will emerge.
 
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Drop the ad hominem, debate positions.
There's no way you didn't come from /pol/

there's only one group of people on the internet this keen on political fanfiction and absurd fantasies at the slightest bit of public disturbance
 
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Or I'm reading the situation for what it is. This isn't your regular migrant/student after-party, nor is it a general strike. It's big.
And what are your sources or information exactly ? Because everything you posted in this thread was either completely wrong or largely misinterpreted.
 
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Or I'm reading the situation for what it is. This isn't your regular migrant/student after-party, nor is it a general strike. It's big.
I think you may be right since war time there has not been something as big and you have government people even joining in, macrons approval ratings are going down to 15% all while over 70% of french people
support the protests. And france isnt a american style two party system you have several left and right parties all who now smell blood and i think will try to go after macron.
Apparently it even now spreads to other places like belgium and the netherlands but i am not sure though how long it will last in those places lol
 
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