- Nov 19, 2018
The only answer is SC CT, Thief is the closest one, lol at the casuals that voted MGS2, but you are free to be wrong.
Wait.. multiple people saying Last of Us part 2?
LOU1 was one of the worst attempts at stealth I've ever played..
Justify my behavior?You've not addressed anything I discussed here, why even pretend you respond to my post when you really aren't doing that and just go on ad hominem rants? Now you just go all "it's an opinan dood, let me has it" bs when you're the one who first tried to discredit others' opinion of a game, again with ad hominem. Rather than simply talk about what you think of it you had to talk about why fans don't think it's good or don't know any better and just deliberately or subconciously hype it over some platform wars or whatever you imagine (noone ever said that stuff about PUBG btw, fad as any for any enthusiast and don't go showing me some stupid casual articles to prove that wrong because obviously the game was successful on all platforms - 8 million copies on Xbone by summer 2018 - until f2p BR competition came so that would also disprove your opinion that it was only considered good by PC exclusivity bonus points from platform fanboys) because your opinion is better. Just read my last post, still waiting for an answer to the core question and how a game went from "I guess it's good stealth" to "it's poorly outdated in gameplay and every way" and how each of these is justified beyond "honestly, I did play it, I prefer SC, let me". If you can't merely discuss, don't fake it or play the victim. Well, too late, after pages of deflecting and showing an inability to rationally explain yourself, even if you now make up some actual reasoning like specific flaws in mission and level design, or some other actually critical aspect of it with more than just "poorly outdated" and other meaningless expressions, it won't justify your behavior.
Try some more backpedaling about how Thief is "decent" and "good" and how I'm on your back just because you don't think it's the greatest after all the "poorly outdated" in all respects and if you don't think so you're a PC fanboy (as if it didn't have the best version of all SC games) crap, lol. You like SC more, good for you. So did others here. You don't see me questioning Esppiral or anyone else, do you? Could it maybe be because they didn't claim bullshit like you? And where did you see me call Thief 2 the greatest of all time and act like you're wrong just because you don't think so? I've very deliberately addressed specific out of touch points you made, so what's with this baseless bullshit? It's certainly not anything I've written. Calling others trolls out of the blue doesn't justify your behavior. If you don't feel you need to justify it then good for you, so why then do you try to justify it by calling others out for replying to your own at best troll posts that had nothing of substance and merely insulted others? I didn't say anything high and mighty about myself, you just once again proclaimed you're better, like you said your preferences make you already, and in fact better than my "best", lol. Maybe you're right about me, but how does that address any of the above or justify your first post which didn't judge Thief 2 but anyone who thinks highly of it? That's all you did, all you keep doing, on top of meaningless adjectives and now silly comparisons. Are you for real? Come on.Why don't you explain how it is outdated beyond graphics (every game in OP is, to different degrees)? Earlier you said you "guess" its stealth is good (so I don't know what makes it not qualify then, stealth is all it does, do you think its story is bad or something, cos it's actually pretty good, so?) and you "think" it's PC only, which was showing you've never even played it or know anything about it to judge it. So, what did you think makes its stealth good, and now suddenly in a following post apparently it's all bad and outdated in gameplay and everything else? You don't know anything about the game, its engine, AI features, player capabilities, anything. You chose some random video that a) makes everything, even shadows, super bright thanks to the "hd mod" and b) shows you a player that knows the game inside out and is able to exploit all of its AI and engine features without batting an eye while beelining from one objective or loot object to the next, which when you play you aren't aware of (nor do you get any kind of x ray vision/tags/objective markers, but you get organic and logical design you can figure out as a player with some grey matter) and need to get your own bearings and consult your rough in game maps, pick up clues, listen in on conversations, or whatever.
As far as its stealth goes, it has as many features as any modern stealth game. Your character can creep, walk, run, climb anything he can reach via jump or other means, rather than preset climb points, crouch and lean in various directions all helpful in points, the AI has different alert states and may be set to patrol, wander, guard things in place, have schedules, based on their logical role and mission and so on, there's sound propagation based on the physical properties of everything, carpet makes less sound, metal surfaces the most and it all carries differently, you can pick up bodies after knocking them out no different to any MGS other than not looking as fancy, you may pickpocket them without them noticing if they happen to have items you need like objective required keys, visible on their person without having to search them after the fact, different types of lights are interactive in different ways as you can blow out torches and candles in various ways, find switches, generators, etc., you have an increasing number of tools at your disposal that eventually means that, as level layouts eventually aren't conveniently laying out all the right surface types and darkness levels to let you freely wander so you basically device your own risky paths, etc. And all of it just building on 98's original game.
What's so outdated about any of that? Just because you watched some ninja player who knows the game inside out and exploits all the AI exact hearing and vision (without even a radar mind) and you don't even understand why he does all you see him do, what would go differently if he didn't do these exact steps you see as just random behavior that allows him to do anything he wants (and what he wants is apparently to bonk all heads), you don't even know what his objective is and any kind of progression and failure triggers, you just see him go from room to room taking out guards and looting items and it doesn't look as fancy as MGSV so it's bad?
This basically reeks of it being your first time seeing the game beyond having heard of it and its basic gist, after your own first kneejerk judgement of it, in an attempt to not investigate what it offers (at least try reviews that explain shit?) but to reinforce your pre existing, unwarranted opinion of it. Just play it, any toaster can run it nowadays and I guarantee you won't be the ninja in the video doing as you please and succeeding, just as people can exploit the AI of MGS, Spinter Cell, Crysis or pretty much any game and mess with it in effortless ways that do not at all showcase a player's actual experience when playing through them "blind" as anyone. Seeing as I just got in PC gaming around the year this released and it flew under the radar, was far from a commercial success, etc, I first played over a decade later and, yes, it's every bit as good (alongside the original) as anyone who appears like a fanboy will claim. Whether that makes it better than others is subjective.
What the fuck? Are you really claiming a game where stealth is literally a skill you can level until you become nearly invisible at the press of a button is comparable to Thief?When taken as a whole... point out the drastic differences between Thief 2 stealth mechanics vs The Elder Scrolls Oblivion? Both have a rather similar movement system. Both have a stealth and detection system that somewhat similar. Both allow you to laughably pickpocket npc's. What are the vast differences between the two as far as just the stealth aspects?
Counter Strike was touted as having no equal on consoles, and was simply better. Until CS GO released on consoles and it became obvious to all that it was a simplistic shooter in every way, and was actually nothing more than an outdated fps.
I mean outside of no weapon games you don't really have a choice.Second Sight. Amazing game, it actually gives the player abilities that help you sneak. My biggest complaint about most stealth games is that they're just action games that subtract the ability to be a badass and add in the ability to walk really slow.