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[VlaudTheImpaler]

For me it's really disconcerting when women look out of place. Like the "one" in TLOU.

I don't care if you want to make muscled up ladies as long as it fits the world you are crafting. If that world is a realistic one and you try to fit in a she hulk where it completely doesn't make sense, then yeah, that ain't gonna jive with me.

Put one in a fighting game or universe with other similarly shaped guys and gals? That's up to you. I prob wouldn't play as them because that's not my thing at all, but I wouldn't complain as everyone else's physique is exaggerated as well so no harm done to my immersion.

As for making them attractive... I don't know man. If that's what the dev wants to go for then they should be able to without getting pressure by others within the industry to change them. If they want to make a more homely looking gal then that's fine as well.

Note, this doesn't mean fans and consumers. Consumers are allowed to voice their opinions or give pressure in whatever mature way they see fit. This is how consumerism works when one is attached to a brand .etc. Just don't do the cancel mob crap. If something is already in a game, then it's there. Voice your opinion, vote with your wallet and leave it be. Cross your fingers that the next entry is better. Thing is, sometimes devs have certain standards of things they are ok with changing to appease their audience while not sacrificing their vision for the game they are making. Sometimes they DO look to their audience for ideas and guidance. So speaking out to let them know what you would like in a constructive manner, the opposite of the cancel squads, is key.

I think the issue is that within the industry itself we have SJW's like Anita infecting a lot of these western devs and execs and convincing (read pressuring at the threat of the outrage cancel mob and whatever other friends she/they have to leverage...) them to... make them less sexy or "more relatable to the average female" or a multitude of other feminist ideals... So it's really hard to know now when we see a homely looking gal in a game if it was because of that agenda or not. And I'd rather not have that ideology infect a series that I love. Or infect every AAA game since they are so few and even fewer that interest me.

As for everything else, I'll just voice my opinion in a constructive way according to my personal beliefs and morals so that devs know that there are people like me who do or don't care for certain things if they are looking to their audience to help shape their decisions and creative process. But I'll not force them upon anyone and demand that they change something. Unless they turn Master Chief into a woman... Or trans... Or anything else that would fit a certain "woke" propaganda.... Then you'll hear my fury. Leave already established characters alone gat dangit.

 

[Jon Neu]

Jesus Christ man

It’s my name, don’t wear it out.

I dont think anyone has...

Have you been under a rock?

Even famous devs like Naughty Dog are claiming they have this “secret agenda” to make the industry have more “non sexualized women”, which is another way of saying ugly ass women dressed as slobs.

 

[aclar00]

1- Leave purist America
2-Move to Japan
3-Hope ResetEra relocates to another planet

Ensure you soften your features while youre at it. When in Rome.....

 

[Techies]

/

Chinese design

 

[zeorhymer]

Fight the patriarchy yada yada.

Draws females as males.

 

[aclar00]

For me it's really disconcerting when women look out of place. Like the "one" in TLOU.

I don't care if you want to make muscled up ladies as long as it fits the world you are crafting. If that world is a realistic one and you try to fit in a she hulk where it completely doesn't make sense, then yeah, that ain't gonna jive with me.

Put one in a fighting game or universe with other similarly shaped guys and gals? That's up to you. I prob wouldn't play as them because that's not my thing at all, but I wouldn't complain as everyone else's physique is exaggerated as well so no harm done to my immersion.

As for making them attractive... I don't know man. If that's what the dev wants to go for then they should be able to without getting pressure by others within the industry to change them. If they want to make a more homely looking gal then that's fine as well.

Note, this doesn't mean fans and consumers. Consumers are allowed to voice their opinions or give pressure in whatever mature way they see fit. This is how consumerism works when one is attached to a brand .etc. Just don't do the cancel mob crap. If something is already in a game, then it's there. Voice your opinion, vote with your wallet and leave it be. Cross your fingers that the next entry is better. Thing is, sometimes devs have certain standards of things they are ok with changing to appease their audience while not sacrificing their vision for the game they are making. Sometimes they DO look to their audience for ideas and guidance. So speaking out to let them know what you would like in a constructive manner, the opposite of the cancel squads, is key.

I think the issue is that within the industry itself we have SJW's like Anita infecting a lot of these western devs and execs and convincing (read pressuring at the threat of the outrage cancel mob and whatever other friends she/they have to leverage...) them to... make them less sexy or "more relatable to the average female" or a multitude of other feminist ideals... So it's really hard to know now when we see a homely looking gal in a game if it was because of that agenda or not. And I'd rather not have that ideology infect a series that I love. Or infect every AAA game since they are so few and even fewer that interest me.

As for everything else, I'll just voice my opinion in a constructive way according to my personal beliefs and morals so that devs know that there are people like me who do or don't care for certain things if they are looking to their audience to help shape their decisions and creative process. But I'll not force them upon anyone and demand that they change something. Unless they turn Master Chief into a woman... Or trans... Or anything else that would fit a certain "woke" propaganda.... Then you'll hear my fury. Leave already established characters alone gat dangit.

The problen is that people bring their personal opinions and biases into what they perceive is forced or not forced. Ive personally always found it silly to have really obesed people in post apocalyptic games andbor movies, (eg the 6'5" guy with a gut hanging over his feet). However, ive hardly, if ever run into anyone else who even bats an eye at it...i mean, unless homeboy is a king, access to such copious amounts of food should be difficult to comeby...a thin toned woman, who wears practical clothes is believable in my opinion. Livin' a harsh life. Matter of fact, half the people in TLOU should be missing teeth as well

 

[PSYGN]

I had a solid crack at this one with Vaseline Intensive Care, a box of wet wipes and an anal bead. I failed miserably. Fuck you Neil.

 

[aclar00]

It’s my name, don’t wear it out.



Have you been under a rock?

Even famous devs like Naughty Dog are claiming they have this “secret agenda” to make the industry have more “non sexualized women”, which is another way of saying ugly ass women dressed as slobs.

Ive only heard 3rd party comments about it and have not see the direct quotes. However, your comment seems a bit nonsensical based upon the little i do know,

If a dev were to say "wed like to see the industry develop more regular guys, who wear slacks and arent quite as toned" would you claim still be an agenda? Does one developer saying agenda mean and agenda for all? Also, does it bother you more if women are dressed as slobs, as opposed to men?

And these are genuine questions...what is a woman and/or female to you? Is it overly exaggerated Japanese anime style characters? The surgically enhanced Kardashians? Do women have big breast and big butts, or just big breasts? What about the hips, wide or narrow...what about thigh gaps, yay or nay?

 

[dwr]

Or maybe (more likely) it's just how people dressed in ancient Greece?

What she's wearing on that picture you quoted looks like a regular tunic to me.

Hmm no. At the time, women in Greece wore long tunics, usually even longer than men's. Horse riders, soldiers, physical labourers, etc needed more mobility and wore shorter garments.
If I have to be honest though, I'm not even sure if that image is authentic or some more or less modern depiction of Artemis.

Just like Aloy, who - according to someone in this thread - looks like a man.

That's an hyperbole, I agree, but at the same time it's not like she's an emblem of femininity.

 

[GreenAlien]

If a dev were to say "wed like to see the industry develop more regular guys, who wear slacks and arent quite as toned" would you claim still be an agenda? Does one developer saying agenda mean and agenda for all? Also, does it bother you more if women are dressed as slobs, as opposed to men?

You are missing the point. It's an agenda because they have convinced themselves that there are moral reasons to do this and everything else is evil. So they are actively working to bring this about and make it the only accepted way to do things. So yes, if one developer says "the industry needs to portray guys as fat slobs to weaken the patriarchy/give boys a "realistic" role model", it's absolutely an agenda. No, not every developer making an "ugly" character does necessarily have an agenda, but a lot of them are quite open about it.

And these are genuine questions...what is a woman and/or female to you? Is it overly exaggerated Japanese anime style characters? The surgically enhanced Kardashians? Do women have big breast and big butts, or just big breasts? What about the hips, wide or narrow...what about thigh gaps, yay or nay?

What do you think this line of questioning will achieve? The answer is all of the above and way more. It's not about what some random dude finds attractive. It's about developers making characters unattractive on purpose, for "moral/agenda" reasons. What the consumer finds attractive doesn't matter for that. Just what the developer finds attractive or believes the "average male" consumer finds attractive matters here, and then that developer actively doing his best to make contradicting designs.
If a developer makes a character unattractive on purpose, there might still always be people who are like "wow, gorgeous". Well lucky them, that doesn't change the intent of the developer, or really, anything at all.

There could be a lot of good "ugly" character designs, for main characters. You could make some story about a girl who was burned all over and build this into the story. She looks bad, but it serves a purpose. Or a fat woman, and you have her lose pounds, get more Health Points/move faster every-time she levels up/progresses the story. Now that's a real role model with a positive, healthy, message... or use a trope, make her rivals with a pretty girl, be the underdog.. and so on..
But what we get is "This character looks the way it does to avoid the male gaze aka not be "sexualized"". Thanks.

 

[Dr. Claus]

We got a forecast for when this is going to blow over?

Playing through mid-2000 era games just reminds me how much female characters design has devolved.

The far-left intersectional ideology is a religious cult that is trying to stay relevant. They have tried to invade comics, film, MSM, games, feminism, LGBT, etc - with some success. Once we get rid of this very angry, very vocal minority from power, things will go back to normal.

Ultimately, what we need to do is stop fearing the retaliation of the mentally ill "transtrender" community. The majority of trans folk don't give two flying fucks. Most gay folk don't give two flying fucks. Most bi, ace, etc - don't fucking care what the design of a character is. The only group that cares are the same lazy, self-diagnosing cunts who blame everyone else for their troubles. These are the "people" that you see on Twitter, Reddit, Gaming "journalism" sites (Kotaku, Polygon, Eurogamer, etc), and hate sites like Era.

 

[A.Romero]

I don't view it as one or another.

A dev can make a game about any ideology and make any design decisions they want to make, just like the audience can complain about any design decision made, no matter how fickle. This is a built-in "quality" adjustment in every entertainment medium.

Maybe the groups who insist they're being "excluded" are just being fickle customers by refusing to try the hundreds of thousands of available videogames and demanding that the market cater to specific metrics of "representation"? And the complaints are leveraged even for games that the complainer has no intention of purchasing.

I kinda draw the line at complaining about a product that you're not buying. It has nothing to do with videogames or my politics failing to line up with theirs. It's about whiny brats demanding something out of a medium when they've contributed so little to it.

I also think there's a difference between demanding something from the industry (resulting in work and money spent for someone else) and simply rejecting a product that the industry is offering.

Rejecting TLOU2 for its themes isn't much different than rejecting Dance Dance Revolution because you don't like the track-list, or rejecting Call of Duty because you don't enjoy the lack of single-player campaign. There's no moral weight either way. Folks have turned this into a moral issue but I don't believe in "moral consumerism".

Even though I disagree with the OP's premise, voicing their opinion and choosing not to buy the games they don't like is the way to go. That's not really profound. Don't buy the games you don't like. Easy.

The problem arises when people get wrapped up in franchises and multi-title plotlines so they feel like they're missing out on the New Hotness or the Surprise Reveal if they don't play it.

You could dislike how the protagonist looks and refuse to buy the game on those grounds alone. As long as one doesn't try to pass that decision off as some kind of Universal Gamer Wisdom* then it's okay to pass on any game for any reason, just like I think it's okay for a dev to make any game about any topic.

*That's kinda what fanboyism is. The hobbyist falls in love with certain games and brands and cannot comprehend how a stranger over the internet wouldn't also like the exact same things.

This is it. Don't like it, don't buy it. Ignore the rest.

Pushing an agenda makes either side equally idiotic.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

I think Mass Effect Andromeda was a turning point, but it is a slow process and the ladies will never reach their former highs.

 

[docbot]

maybe there should be a subforum for this kind of political game discussions

 

[Riven326]

I think Mass Effect Andromeda was a turning point, but it is a slow process and the ladies will never reach their former highs.

 

[Batiman]

I don’t why you guys always complain about this shit. Go watch porn to get your fix or something. Besides most girl characters are still attractive in most AAA games still anyways. Unless you want them in panties too.

 

[Paracelsus]

I don’t why you guys always complain about this shit. Go watch porn to get your fix or something. Besides most girl characters are still attractive in most AAA games still anyways. Unless you want them in panties too.

They're not even attractive for instagram standards.

 

[Batiman]

They're not even attractive for instagram standards.

Examples? OP didn’t even post any. Unless your talking models which to me isn’t a big deal. I feel most are above average. I don’t play games to look at ass anyways but I’m not sure what ppl are specifically complaining about.

 

[GreenAlien]

I don’t why you guys always complain about this shit. Go watch porn to get your fix or something. Besides most girl characters are still attractive in most AAA games still anyways. Unless you want them in panties too.

I'm sure you also don't give a fuck about good graphics and breathtaking environments. Since you don't like to look at nice things and all.

 

[Dr. Claus]

They're not even attractive for instagram standards.

Really? I find most instagram models to be sub-par or outright kinda ugly. I think that most western AAA games are slightly better than that (though not by much).

 

[Woopah]

There are a variety of ways that people look and there are a variety of ways video game characters can look. Not all of them have to be designed to be attractive.

 

[Lethal01]

Japan once again got you covered.

I've posted her so many time that I'd feel lazy if I kept making her my example of perfection

But do keep spreading the good word to these forsaken threads.

 

[bargeparty]

They're not even attractive for instagram standards.

You mean the filters and photoshops and unrealistic depictions of how they actually look?

 

[bargeparty]

I think some of you have it stuck in your heads as to what "beauty" is, without realizing that people differ in what they find attractive, like when these Asian or maybe even more specifically South Korean women get surgery to look more "western" since they believe that's "beautiful" is. Having different tastes isn't necessarily "wrong" but deeming that all female characters fall into some weird set of criteria is wrong.

 

[Riven326]

I think some of you have it stuck in your heads as to what "beauty" is, without realizing that people differ in what they find attractive, like when these Asian or maybe even more specifically South Korean women get surgery to look more "western" since they believe that's "beautiful" is. Having different tastes isn't necessarily "wrong" but deeming that all female characters fall into some weird set of criteria is wrong.

 

[lock2k]

 

[Batiman]

I'm sure you also don't give a fuck about good graphics and breathtaking environments. Since you don't like to look at nice things and all.

Not sure if your joking or not. You must see the difference

 

[Dacon]

I think it's just a case of art imitating life, so the real question should be when are real women in the west gonna go back to resembling females:

Bruh are you seriously implying JLO no longer looks feminine just cause she toned up a bit? Man you guys are WEAK.

She looks fucking great for a woman in her early fifties.

Wait did I just get baited by a shitpost? SMH

 

[Lethal01]

Bruh are you seriously implying JLO no longer looks feminine just cause she toned up a bit? Man you guys are WEAK.

She looks fucking great for a woman in her early fifties.

Wait did I just get baited by a shitpost? SMH

They baited you into post buff gals.
If anything you should be thanking them.

 

[Numenorean]

The real question here is When are we gonna back to Mai Shuranui levels?

 

[docbot]

Jeez, some of those posts really are cringy, hard to believe some you ever had actual relations with a woman. All this "it's my right to have blown up sexy boobies" in games is ridiculous.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Pretty sure there are quite a few documentaries of many of them lacking confidence in their own self image. So much so that they vomit on purpose and denied themselves food...but hey, if the 5 min on stage is how you picture their confidence...

A Calvin Klein male model with 8 packs denies himself food as well compared to a normal guy, those 8 packs dont come from just doing crunches. The vomiting, you are mixing up a random wannabe model at any cost and a successful millionaire female model. Ive never heard about a girl with low self esteem and self image, becoming a millionaire, keeping an almost unrealistic perfection body by not drinking alcohol, eating chocolate, last time they ate bread was 10 years ago etc and being extremely successful in their job. Victoria Secret angles net worth per person is between 20 and 85 million USD. Usually the ugly, unnoticeable, over the top dyke wannabe looking ones that go for the "Its MAM, not sir!" attitude. Those are the unconfident ones. They think everyone is out to get them, they MUST prove they are better then you. They have to put it in writing just in case. Going to the gym to not get curved but to get buff as a guy and living with 5 cats is not confidence, its constant fear someone is thinking something bad about you.

Point Im making is, super hot girls can be confident too and are confident. This new image how you have to be a buff short haird dyke with a twitter account to prove you are tough...yeah that just shows more mental problems than confidence. Why do I go to the gym? I want to look good, I look at myself in the mirror and say "fuck man i think ill never have a 6 pack". It doesnt make me not confident, it makes me better myself. So same goes for those obesse people trying to portray an image how they are happier and more confident than the good looking fit people. No, you have a health issue that can cause an early death. Fit and active people dont have those problems.

 

[Lethal01]

Ive never heard about a girl with low self esteem and self image, becoming a millionaire,

 

[lock2k]

Jeez, some of those posts really are cringy, hard to believe some you ever had actual relations with a woman. All this "it's my right to have blown up sexy boobies" in games is ridiculous.

 

[Lethal01]

I don't know who this is but I like him and his hat

 

[jadefire66]

In western AAA games? Never. They're not even gonna go back to looking like Alyx and Jade, let alone going back to the super feminine kind. Those two characters I mentioned are already "too feminine/unrealistic" for 2020. Now I don't know how Alyx looks in the VR game but it's a first person game where you never see yourself (right?) so it probably doesn't matter. CDPR is the exception to this, I guess, for now. Their next game after CP2077 will surely be woke though.

 

[Makariel]

Hmm no. At the time, women in Greece wore long tunics, usually even longer than men's. Horse riders, soldiers, physical labourers, etc needed more mobility and wore shorter garments.

Artemis was depicted as an archer, so why should she not wear a short tunic? Also, what women would wear would very much depend on which city state we are talking about. Saying "all greek women in ancient Greece wore long tunics" is like saying "all american women in 2019 wore pussyhats".

 

[Spukc]

Come on this seems a bit hyperbolic
We just got FF7 Remake some weeks ago

might as well just have posted 2 penisses instead

 

[GymWolf]

Horizon has some normal looking female chara but mostly have tribe manly hairs even if the faces are feminine.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Poor girls with muscles, they got baited by instagram "fitgirls" into thinking they actually work out.

 

[INC]

Bruh are you seriously implying JLO no longer looks feminine just cause she toned up a bit? Man you guys are WEAK.

She looks fucking great for a woman in her early fifties.

Wait did I just get baited by a shitpost? SMH

Tbh in the bottom pic with no make up, see looks like john leguizamo

 

[scalman]

Silent Hill 3

 

[Tomeru]

Tbh in the bottom pic with no make up, see looks like john leguizamo

 

[INC]

hay man if you like a GILF that's cool

 

[moniker]

Not sure if your joking or not. You must see the difference

But he's got a point. I'm not into women at all, but I much prefer having good looking women in games over the degendered freaks we get now.

There's a reason why most leading men and women in Hollywood are attractive. People like looking at pretty things and aesthetics matter.

It doesn't mean every character ever have to look beautiful, or that they should run around with giant boobs in their panties. But there has to be some middle ground between that and devs going out of their way to make characters less visually appealing.

The "go watch porn instead" argument is asinine.

 

[Tomeru]

hay man if you a GILF that's cool

Im not blind.

 

[INC]

Im not blind.

You cant deny your heart, age is just a number

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Jeez, some of those posts really are cringy, hard to believe some you ever had actual relations with a woman. All this "it's my right to have blown up sexy boobies" in games is ridiculous.

It's my right to have creative freedom. Attractive game girls being tabooicized hurts that freedom.

It's all about balance. A lot of games could do with less sexual designs. But i.e. Lara Croft should never have been changed to what she's now. Giant boobs were part of her persona and I feel her change both robbed us of a sexy game girl *and* it tells real big-boobed women "hey, your body is shameful!"

 

[INC]

It's my right to have creative freedom. Attractive game girls being tabooicized hurts that freedom.

It's all about balance. A lot of games could do with less sexual designs. But i.e. Lara Croft should never have been changed to what she's now. Giant boobs were part of her persona and I feel her change both robbed us of a sexy game girl *and* it tells real big-boobed women "hey, your body is shameful!"

Which tomb raider film you wanna watch

The original Angelina Jolie films, or the new more grounded ones with ironing board chest Lara

 

[scalman]

World changed , so characters changed to fit all that sadly. And it goes just worse for now.
New TR movie was ok. I thought new TR games lara was busty enough