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Which character model is currently using the most polygons?
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D1AMONDDOGS
Neo Member
...need pics to confirm
7DollarHagane
Banned
Thank you for spoilering the truth so i can believe the lie.
I would definitely bet on this one.
Also probably the character with the largest number of moving bones/muscles/joints. This thing is probably why development took so long.
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
Okay cool, saved me the work of going through OoT's models.
While the character models are low poly, there's still all the map, and item poly counts. Game is well over thousands of polygons in total. Glad I could help lol
Atanascovich
Member
this thread just sold me on nier automata
Wishmaster92
Member
Yeah that's a complete waste of resources.
Spartancarver
Member
This gen I'm guessing it's characters from either Horizon ZD or UC4.
Last gen I remember Kratos from GoW 3 having a very impressive amount of detail.
Last gen I remember Kratos from GoW 3 having a very impressive amount of detail.
tiebreaker
Member
It's probably either Aloy or Trico.
Version 3.0
Member
That God of War 3 title screen was incredible.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I don't think this is possible. It'd be interesting to hear what an actual dev with polygon/character design experience had to say about it. I expect a game like Arkham Asylum has tens if not hundreds of millions of polygons in the whole thing, while the Batman model in Arkham Knight probably doesn't have more than a few hundred thousand.
Yup
Next next (next?) gen can't come soon enough.
Realize how long that will make games take though.
LordKasual
Banned
Yup
Next next (next?) gen can't come soon enough.
That was just a proof of concept...I do not believe that to be feasible even in the next next gen.
Not for horsepower reasons...but because I cannot see AAA studios creating games using the density of assets in that tech demo
DongBeetle
Banned
How many polys is BoTW Link?
Sigh.
I really wish the "better graphics are (monetarily) expensive!" myth would die already.
The problem is not asset complexity. The problem is number and variety of assets. High-quality shaders do not require equally high amounts of money poured into graphics programmer positions (unless the dev studio is doing a lot of internal R&D, which is not terribly common). High polygon counts are the default - what we get in our games are the optimized versions created after decimating the poly count in the most intelligent ways we can manage.
What really balloons the budget of modern video games is simply scope creep - the ever-increasing demands of an industry hell-bent on topping itself over and over again ad infinitum, increasing the scale of our virtual worlds and consequently the amount of assets that need to be created to fill those worlds. If every dev studio were willing to have worlds as barren as that of Nier Automata we'd still be seeing budgets in the $10-20m~ range, but they're not satisfied with that. Of course they're not. Their employee counts are constantly rising alongside expectations by publishers, stockholders, and the audience that buys these games.
If we had infinite hardware grunt, every game could look like this. Graphics like that don't require multi-million dollar budgets, just a crapton of hardware power and a decent asset library. Again, the problem is just how many assets modern games demand. More complex models do not mean the budget will balloon endlessly. There may be a correlation, but a correlation is not causation. Remember that.
Yeah, that was once. Fighters somehow dropped the ball regarding the most polished character models. Injustice 2's character models look great however, but they also don't come close to what games like Horizon Zero Dawn are doing.
I'll throw in Arkham Knight Batman. No hair, which always eats lotsa polygons, but the suit is extremely detailed, with lots of moving parts and there are probably tens of thousands polygons in the cape:
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Deleted member 465307
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Two Toon Links duct-taped together?
In all seriousness, I think you ask a good question. I wonder how the model complexity of very stylized games compares against more realistic models. I imagine they're way simpler, but perhaps some developers use many polygons in order to pull off convincing cartoon-esque visuals.
It's all about what you can get away with. If we take the venerable barrel in any game, that has become rounder over the generations. About 8 faces (1 face = 2 polygon so 16 polys just for the sides) will be enough to enough to identify it as trying to be round but you need at least 12 faces before you really consider it round rather than more of a octagon. About 24 will make you agree that it is definitely round. The overall poly count in modern games for this barrel might not be all that much higher because you get into diminishing returns. Instead you use better textures and more complex shaders to make it look more realistic.
Looked at some BotW screenshots and it seems they went with 16 faces for the barrels. You can see that they aren't properly round and are a bit angular, but for a minor prop object that is alright considering the hardware and the way they decided to put that poly budget into modeling the rims surrounding the barrel so it looks more 3-dimensional.
Same deal for character models. Face, shoulders, arm and knee joints need more polys to properly deform but the rest of the arms and legs can be simple. Today's hardware is pretty good at pushing polygons though so developers don't have to optimize models that much. We are finally at a point where most secondary NPCs also look pretty good whereas in the past there was often a huge discrepancy between main characters and NPCs.
flipswitch
Member
Isn't that last gif of Drake CG?
Yeah I don't believe you. UC4 cutscene character models under 100k? Really?
KainXVIII
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Tech demos does not count?
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Lol i miss that demo 😊
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More importantly how many polys for his booty, for parity sake
Polygonal_Sprite
Member
Most main playable character models this gen are around the 100k mark. If one looks dramatically better than another it's clever texturing or more talented artists.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
So if Aloys hair is 100k whats the rest of her made up of then
texhnolyze
Banned
I think the problem with Aloy's hair is that the aliasing is bad so it doesn't look that smooth.
Maybe it's not a problem on Pro version but that's coming from my experience from PS4 Amateur.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
probably some kind of aloy
nkarafo
Member
Dunno but here are the numbers for previous Link models for reference.
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, GC, 2002
Link - 2800 polygons
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, GC/Wii, 2006
Link - 6900 polygons
Source: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/yes-but-how-many-polygons-an-artist-blog-entry-with-interesting-numbers.39321/
Its not a myth at all. It is true that creating the highpoly-models in theory could be a static cost(it is not, however), but depending on what kind of asset you are doing, the lowpoly will take more time. For example, if you are making the lowpoly model for a rock, its very fast today, because you can more or less automate that process. Making a lowpoly for say a generator today will take much longer, because where a few years ago it would be a model of say a few thousand polygons (basically a merged blob och basic shapes) you now can spend tens of thousands on it, and all those pieces need to be created, even if each part is not time consuming, the grand total of time does go up. Highpoly modelling times also vary alot, the quality of highpoly models have been rising drastically, and the way you build them change with the way you build the lowpoly aswell. The time spent on shaders is also increasing. In fact, better graphics is more expensive in almost every way. There are lots and lots of ways that the process has improved over the years, of course, otherwise the costs would be astronomical. But costs DO rise. (been working with 3d for many many years, so not tales from my ass)
Yeah, that was once. Fighters somehow dropped the ball regarding the most polished character models. Injustice 2's character models look great however, but they also don't come close to what games like Horizon Zero Dawn are doing.
I'll throw in Arkham Knight Batman. No hair, which always eats lotsa polygons, but the suit is extremely detailed, with lots of moving parts and there are probably tens of thousands polygons in the cape:
This game is absolutely ridiculous visually.
Its so under-praised. Was the game really that much of a disappointment ? It hardly gets recognized. It looks like the ultimate realization of Batman.
Maxey
Member
Frustrating Batmobile sections affected the game's pacing. It also didn't too much different from previous entries to truly stand out from the pack.
It did look hella good tho.
Joel in Last of Us was ~>40k polygons and according Naughty Dog UC4 used ~2x as much for characters.
So my guess is up to low 100k characters, at most.
Guys at Naughty Dog really know how to make do with the budget they have set for themselves.
A question for the ages
I can't see Link's BOTW model being much higher than that, seems pretty basic.
And yeah Batman definitely deserves a mention here, what a stunning looking game, still top 5 visually even though it's pretty old, maybe the first genuine "wow moment" for me this gen.
It's a tech demo...
Thats insane. I know ND are wizards but the thought of Nathans high-poly model being only around 100k astounds me.
DongBeetle
Banned
I'll take a guess then and say BoTW Link is sitting at a pretty basic 10,000. Still impressive for a handheld open world game
I think some people mistake texture detail/material quality for "polycount". You can have lower poly models with incredible texturing/materials. ND are incredibly good at their texture/material work.
It's how they pull sometimes unbelievable real time visuals out of their hardware. It looks like it shouldn't be possible, but their lighting/material/texture work is simply incredible. They remind me of RARE on the N64. Their games tend to look better than nearly anything else coming out on the hardware at each release.
Yeah, that was once. Fighters somehow dropped the ball regarding the most polished character models. Injustice 2's character models look great however, but they also don't come close to what games like Horizon Zero Dawn are doing.
I'll throw in Arkham Knight Batman. No hair, which always eats lotsa polygons, but the suit is extremely detailed, with lots of moving parts and there are probably tens of thousands polygons in the cape:
I don't think that model is actually very high poly-count wise. Again, lots of sharp angles there...and not completely round edges. Great texture work though.
Main characters do not have the highest polys in many games.Bosses have more in general or other characters. It depends on their outfit details.
In Ryse i think it was the Oswald (Boudica father) that had the highest poly count - 130k or 140k where Marius had around 80k.
Lara from Rise of the Tomb Raider has about 200k - https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...nteresting-numbers.39321/page-87#post-1935698
I think that tessellated characters in LOD0 in some Metro games had like 500-600k polys or even more.
I the end its about how you use those polys and combine them with shaders like PoM to create detail.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
People suck at the Batmobile/tank sections, so they dismiss the entire game. It's a great, great game.
(I do agree that there were a few too many sections like that, and one or two of them were annoying, but overall I didn't really mind them at all.)
Prepare for disappointment.