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White/black people overwhelmingly think black/white people are moochers

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ItWasMeantToBe19

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What.

50% of white Americans say that blacks take more than they give, while 16% say that they give more to society than they take. 44% of Hispanics say that black Americans take more, while 45% of black Americans say that they give more than they take.

Respondents were asked to identify which class they consider themselves. 45% of white Americans identify as working class while 52% identify as middle class. There is very little difference between working class whites (49%) and middle class whites (51%) in how likely they are to view black Americans as 'takers'.

Ideology, however, has a significant impact. Liberal whites tend to say that blacks give more than they take, with 41% of white liberals, something working class white liberals also agree with. Most white moderates (53%) and white conservatives (69%) say that black Americans take more than they give.
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https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/01/29/racial-attitudes-differ-ideology-class/


.... Yeah, not really that close to a post racial society here. America needs some more work...
 
Trojita

Trojita

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50% of white Americans say that blacks take more than they give, while 16% say that they give more to society than they take. 44% of Hispanics say that black Americans take more, while 45% of black Americans say that they give more than they take.
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Does that mean 55% of black Americans think that they take more than they give?
 
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Dennis

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So working class and middle class white Americans agree on one thing.

See, and people were talking about a class divide. Thats united.
 
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Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
~ Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948.

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
~ Donald Trump, presumptive Republican frontrunner, 2016.
 
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Bronx-Man

Banned
I need a dollar, dollar
A dollar is what I need (hey, hey)
I need a dollar, dollar
A dollar is what I need (hey, hey)
I said I need dollar, dollar
A dollar is what I need
And if I shared with you my story
Would you share your dollar with me?
 
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Grover

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government assistance so poor people can live with atleast a shred of dignity = bad
government assistance so corporations can catch that few extra million = good
 
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MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
FStubbs said:
It's not racist if black people really are inferior, it's just the truth. (/sarcasm)
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You're sarcastic, but these are the "facts" that people who complain about political correctness are upset they're not allowed to state. They actually believe it and think they're being suppressed, and it's insane. Wonder what the overlap between the "takers" respondents and the people screaming about Danny DeVito would be.
 
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WedgeX

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OrangeGrayBlue said:
I think liberal whites is the most depressing one on the list.
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With the poll having a + or - rate of 4%, liberal whites are pretty darn close to sampled black people's view of themselves or other black Americans. 41/23 compared to 45/19.

Which is still sad.
 
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Septimus Prime

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Skin color aside, I'm pretty confident almost everyone consumes way the hell more than they contribute.

I'm sure that's not what the subtext of this poll is about, though.
 
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Abinash117

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I'm going to assume that very few of these people actually interact with many people outside their community on a personal level. I guess plenty of these people really believe that AA really just survive off of welfare and that's it. Also get free benefits of whatever.

How is net contributor defined anyway in this context.
 
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Cocaloch

Member
Septimus Prime said:
Skin color aside, I'm pretty confident almost everyone consumes way the hell more than they contribute.

I'm sure that's not what the subtext of this poll is about, though.
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I mean it depends on how you think about what you mean by consumes and contributes. If this was actually true on average, at least in terms of GDP, the economy would be shrinking, but it isn't. I guess you could make the argument that we all mooch off previous generations via capital accumulation, but that would be a very strange argument.

ryutaro's mama said:
Sooooo, you're saying you believe most people, regardless of skin color, are takers more than they are givers.

Did I get that correct?
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That is what he said.

Septimus Prime said:
Skin color aside, I'm pretty confident almost everyone consumes way the hell more than they contribute.

I'm sure that's not what the subtext of this poll is about, though.
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MisterShine

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Geo said:
So if I'm reading this correctly, every group (white, black, Hispanic) thinks that they give more than they take, and every other group takes more than they give EXCEPT Hispanics, who think that both themselves and black people give more.
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Nope. Hispanics are about even with Whites on their opinions on Blacks.

Whites - 16% think Blacks give more, 50% think they take more.
Hispanics - 18% think Blacks give more, 45% think they take more.

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https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...5xd6b47t8/tabs_OP_Race_and_Class_20160125.pdf


edit: 'Other' being less indecisive
26% think Blacks give more, 52% think Blacks take more.
 
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Cyan

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Geo said:
So if I'm reading this correctly, every group (white, black, Hispanic) thinks that they give more than they take, and every other group takes more than they give EXCEPT Hispanics, who think that both themselves and black people give more.
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14% of white people think black people give more than they take, 50% think they take more than they give, 34% not sure.

12% of black people think white people give more than they take, 65% think they take more than they give, 23% not sure.

So on that result at least, yeah, it's mirrored.
 
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Chie Satonaka

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I just want to be clear:

If a black person has never been on government assistance, are they a taker or a giver?

How about if they've been on government assistance for a brief amount of time? A year? Six years? Ten years?

If they've worked the same amount of time as the above?

In fact, can we clarify exactly what the threshold is for taking vs giving? Like, when is the point you've taken too much? When have you given too much? What's the metric?

What I'm saying is fuck people who believe this stupid bullshit.
 
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Cocaloch

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Chie Satonaka said:
I just want to be clear:

If a black person has never been on government assistance, are they a taker or a giver?

How about if they've been on government assistance for a brief amount of time? A year? Six years? Ten years?

If they've worked the same amount of time as the above?

In fact, can we clarify exactly what the threshold is for taking vs giving? Like, when is the point you've taken too much? When have you given too much? What's the metric?

What I'm saying is fuck people who believe this stupid bullshit.
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The metric is people's response to the survey. It isn't saying Black people take more, it's saying that white people are more likely to believe that black people take more as opposed to give more.

It's shitty that people believe that, but it isn't an issue of metrics.

ryutaro's mama said:
Polls like this were made for you.
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I don't see a moral problem with what he said? It just seemed kinda edgy to me.
 
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Chie Satonaka

Member
Cocaloch said:
The metric is people's response to the survey. It isn't saying Black people take more, it's saying that white people are more likely to believe that black people take more as opposed to give more.

It's shitty that people believe that, but it isn't an issue of metrics.
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I mean, I get it, but it's directly related to what my point is, which is the idea that people tend to think of black people as moochers, including other black people.
 
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Apt101

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It seems like common sense that every group contributes more than they receive. Well, any group that doesn't include politicians, corporate big wigs, and Wall Street.
 
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SenorArdilla

Member
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
 
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Abinash117

Member
I also think that while people apply this away towards the races as a hole, I bet they don't think so to the people they personally know even if that person of a different race thinks differently then they do.

So many people largely apply extremely broad stereotypes or that there's some deeper resentment. Upper middle class people are also up there with blacks despite of having for more money and have many economic influences.
 
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Bronx-Man

Banned
SenorArdilla said:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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Stumpokapow said:
"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
~ Donald Trump, presumptive Republican frontrunner, 2016.
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Claude Kenni

Member
This pisses me off. To call a race takers is to lack respect for them entirely. It's obviously us versus them for way too many people out there.
 
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Saucy_XL

Banned
Really interesting stuff, black people most likely to say other races take more, Hispanics least likely, whites in the middle. Gunna look at this more later
 
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biggersmaller

Banned
Interesting data. Ignoring the white guilt baiting title and viewing the data as a whole, it's clear all the races generally think everyone but themselves are "taking more than they are giving" despite all the demographics equally sucking at budgeting and carrying too much debt.

Debt and Minorities

A 2001 survey by the Journal of Finance and Accountancy found that 27 percent of the 7,579 respondents carried credit card balances. The survey found only minor differences between races. About 28 percent of white respondents carried balances, similar to the 25 percent of Hispanics, 24 percent of blacks and 24 percent of Asians.
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https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/demographics/
 
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