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Why are Europeans so much more racists than Americans?
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Nikodemos
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Most of those 'foreigners' are Germans, which the Swiss hate for some reason (I suspect it's one of those "dey took ar jerbs" things).
NYCmetsfan
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Well your last elections didn't give you guys the best imagine....
Do 'boat people' (even the name seems a bit dismissive) really deserve to be such a large issue?
dark_prinny
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I feel you man, I got surgery 2 days ago and fuck it hurts...
Be kind to us, I seriously don't know if I made it through the weekend if it wasn't for NeoGAF. But then again, this is not new anyways.
Sorry for the OT but I saw your post and have to vent somehow.
More like ironically pretending to stereotype people while simultaneously asking why people stereotype people...right?
This thread reminds me of people who complain that others complain too much.
You mean the Switzerland which is one of the hardest countries to gain immigration to, and the Switzerland that just voted to limit European migration? Switzerland having 30% foreigners tells us nothing really, because even Italians and German citizens are considered foreigners. Will they ever be accepted by Swiss society at large? Will they be elected to hold office, be in every facet of Swiss society? To say they've integrated foreigners more successfully than the US is wrong, considering everyone in the US is an integrated foreigner just at different times.
Is it easier for the Indian and Chinese student to come to the US, study, work, live and be accepted, or is it easier for them to go to Switzerland and do the same?
wsoxfan1214
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nvm
NYCmetsfan
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I think it is pretty silly to say one is more racist than the other. Its really broad and doesn't really account for vast differences in European nations. Problems in Greece and Italy are vastly different than those in the UK and Ireland.
It is worrying to hear the kind of political/racist rhetoric that was common in the US in the 1960s/70s becoming more common in Europe as well as the rise of Revanchist/nationalist parties.
It is worrying to hear the kind of political/racist rhetoric that was common in the US in the 1960s/70s becoming more common in Europe as well as the rise of Revanchist/nationalist parties.
foxuzamaki
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man, your kinda right
As someone who has spent half his life in the north and half his life in the south, I can say without hesitation this is utterly false.
That statement is half a century too old... Did you learn that from history books?
Oh yeah, you're right!
Man, I am so racist, I confuse UK and USA. All them english man look the same.
edit: and then we have Takeo Ischi and his New Bibi Hendl.
Bitmap Frogs
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Yeah, all those 15th century artisans dropping swastikas on churches be so nazi lol.
Such an uninformed post.
dark_prinny
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Wow...
ThoseDeafMutes
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Of course not, it's an extremely minor issue in reality. It's one of those things that both major parties agree to argue about to fill time and distract people so they don't have to talk about important issues. Being tough on border security is like the Australian equivalent of being tough on defense and foreign policy for Americans.
I blame American rap culture. And we really don't mean it in a negative way anyway, most often I would assume.
come on dude
Cultures that have less integrations of other cultures are going to be more xenophobic/racist, how is this even a question. Ignorance builds hate. Or sometimes people just don't understand how hurtful their words and actions can be due to lack of interaction
Dorimukyasuto
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What if that actually says None Greater?
Like some arrogant dude who thinks he is the shit drives around in that.
edit: beaten, shit
I can't believe i'm actually granting this thread a reply. But seriously wtf? It's a horrible generalization and you guys know it.
Most of the values of the xenophobic parties of at least northern europe exist in the US rightwing mainstream.
Call me when a state or national government in western/northern europe grants something like Arizona SB 1070 or when a person lile Glenn Beck would host one of the more popular shows in a western/northern european country, and where Rush Limbaugh would host the most popular radio show in the entire nation.
Most of the values of the xenophobic parties of at least northern europe exist in the US rightwing mainstream.
Call me when a state or national government in western/northern europe grants something like Arizona SB 1070 or when a person lile Glenn Beck would host one of the more popular shows in a western/northern european country, and where Rush Limbaugh would host the most popular radio show in the entire nation.
Switzerland. Our unemployment rate is comparably low, the companies are actively searching for skilled workers around the world, and our wages are high.
Yes, it's shameful how the last vote turned out. That's direct democracy in its pure form, sometimes it's very ugly. The xenophobism isn't always obvious, but it's real.
That's just one side of the country though, we also have lots of initiatives by the citizen as well as by the state, which aim for more and better integration. We have classes full of immigrants' kids, and we still manage to be successful with our school system, most of them are going to have good paid job eventually. And despite the high number of foreigners, we don't really have ghettos like those in Sweden.
I think Switzerland just hasn't reach the critical mass of urbanization yet, that's why the conservative country side is still a deal breaker during the vote.
they're celebrating the days when the blackamoors once ruled europe. Big muscular negroes with ears, neck, wrists, arms and fists filled with gold. There're many famous statues, paintings and emblems scattered throughout europe of them. Most notably, Germany, Russia, czech republic, and spain. Just don't mention them in naples!
plasmawave
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I have never been to Europe but I think it is safe to say that the degree of racism one is likely to encounter vary from country to country.
America has dealt with race issues for a longer time because of our history as an immigrant nation, slavery, civil rights struggles etc. We still struggle with it a lot.I guess European society is more homogeneous when compared to ours so that maybe a reason.
America has dealt with race issues for a longer time because of our history as an immigrant nation, slavery, civil rights struggles etc. We still struggle with it a lot.I guess European society is more homogeneous when compared to ours so that maybe a reason.
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Op is probably one so he can't help you.
PeskyToaster
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I'm an American but I always assumed it was very easy to get citizenship in America compared to other countries. I kinda just thought you could show up and be welcomed by Lady Liberty (of course it is more complicated than that). I know there are several ways of obtaining citizenship but I don't really know how immigration to the United States works. I also assumed other countries were a lot stricter. Anyone have experience or knowledge of this?
Not quite. Getting citizenship in the US is pretty damn hard. Hell, even just getting a visa is quite difficult if you don't have family there. Even in some of the more "racist" countries like Japan it's much easier (I'm from Spain and working in Japan, but right now it'd be pretty damn difficult for me to go to a US company).
benjipwns
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Not to give a pass to the Americans, but AB1070, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Lou Dobbs as the height of xenophobia pale (word chosen on purpose?) in comparison to centuries of major ethnic conflicts on multiple continents.
I know you are only allowing Western/Northern Europe, but a certain part of Europe has been basically a never ending ethnic conflict in recent memory.
I, of course, am opposed to any collectivization in this manner and thus therefore allowed to make blanket comments on arbitrary collectives of my choosing.
benjipwns
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Only a little bit: http://reason.org/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf
Europe was always heterogenous, now even more than ever. People in Europe have moved to other countries for decades. The bigger problem is the lack of the mentality of a migration's country like the US. That's why most countries don't make you a citizen just because you are born there, whereas you get the citizenship in the US just by being born in the right time on the right place.
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The word doesn't have the same weight in the non English speaking countries as the tend to have their own racist words for races they don't like. A lot of people just think you can use it to refer to a guy dressing like a rapper because a lot of euros learn English off the Telly.
This topic is all bullshit anyway and it's pretty much racism/xenophobia itself. Saying that Europeans don't have a lot of exposure to other races is already bullshit. Take a trip to London Paris Amsterdam Antwerp and a shit load of other big cities and ride the metro for 2 seconds to learn better
I wouldn't say that Europeans are more racist. What I would say is that anglosphere countries like America, The UK, Canada and NZ have a civic conception of nationhood and not an ethnic conception of nationhood.
It's obviously not an absolute statement and elements of both exist within all cultures but in most Anglosphere countries, the civic conception wins out. If someone comes to an anglosphere country and accepts their values they will be accepted as a member of that society. It's probably why America, Canada, The UK, NZ and Australia have been so successful with migration populations.
The civic conception of nationhood really is something unique to the Anglosphere. It's not something that I've really seen in other cultures.
It's obviously not an absolute statement and elements of both exist within all cultures but in most Anglosphere countries, the civic conception wins out. If someone comes to an anglosphere country and accepts their values they will be accepted as a member of that society. It's probably why America, Canada, The UK, NZ and Australia have been so successful with migration populations.
The civic conception of nationhood really is something unique to the Anglosphere. It's not something that I've really seen in other cultures.
I was speaking mostly in terms of race though. but wee have people of different cultural, ethnic, racial backgrounds and then some. Our immigrant history is just way different when compared to Europe.
Ah. Yes. There was a point in separating western/northern europe. If the question was why eastern (and to some extent southern europe) were generally more racist than the US I would not be that frustrated.
I wouldn't compare Limbaugh, Beck, AB1070 or whatever to f.e. the political climate of Hungary, Ukraine or Russia. It was mostly brought up since the policies/statements of those would be find in the fringe right of most countries one imagines when one thinks of europe (germany, uk, benelux, france, scandinavia) rather than the state majority/mainstream parties/mainstream media outlets
PeskyToaster
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Ah okay, thanks guys! It's hard for me to get a perspective on these sort of things if you're just born here.
They're just copying black people. Blame rap music.
Man I wish. I've been here legally for 19 years and they still won't give me my citizenship. About a decade ago my grandfather said fuck it and moved to Spain where he and his wife got citizenship in like two years.
Most Europeans don't speak English though, so you'll be hard pressed to hear them say nigger. The equivalent word in French is just as taboo as it is in English for example (actually I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it IRL). Most people call black people "blacks" or "noirs" (which is just the french word for black).
benjipwns
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This is a pretty good point, Wilsonian self-determination didn't exactly bust up the U.S. like it carved up the rest of the globe.
Man I wish. I've been here legally for 19 years and they still won't give me my citizenship. About a decade ago my grandfather said fuck it and moved to Spain where he and his wife got citizenship in like two years.
Most people I meet just married an American to become a citizen. Not the ideal way for some, but easy to do.
It has a lot to do with the prevalence of minorities in America. There are so many voices from so many different cultures and backgrounds that for it to work, people in America have to be more accepting. Adding to that, with so many voices, people are able to understand and empathize with different cultures than people do in Europe.
Having said that I think Europe is a fucking paradise when it comes to liberal politics. I just wish they would stop wearing black face over there as, "tradition."
Having said that I think Europe is a fucking paradise when it comes to liberal politics. I just wish they would stop wearing black face over there as, "tradition."
God Dayumm
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I'm not going to generalize Europeans, but it bothers me that in many topics people throw comments like "The USA does it worse!" "The South!" "Republicans!" in an attempt to deflect from the issues being discussed. I've seen plenty of racism from Europeans, more than from Americans, and I've never even visited Europe, so glass houses and all that.
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