Waldo Lydecker
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We really, really should start twitterbombing Shu about this. #downsampling4theplayers This is nonsense.
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Why are several PS4 Pro games arbitrarily locking 1080p users out of downsampling?
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This is an annoying oversight, but from what we're hearing, the further we get from the Pro launch, the less frequent it'll become. I think some devs may be gun-shy about having a mode that may have more performance fluctuations than the standard PS4. The power balance is in play, and that's a funny proposition for console audiences.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Excellent, good Sir!
The fact that the majority of affected titles continue to be coming from first-party devs gives me some hope that the reason is because of a system-wide solution in the next OS update, but how long can I cling to that little dream? And how long do we have to wait for the update if that's what's happening?
Major PS4 firmwares are on a 6 month schedule.
4.50 released in March, so expect September for 5.00
Negotiator
Member
Sony is a company that sells TVs as well. Microsoft doesn't. I wish I was wrong, but that's how I see it.
And in case anyone has doubts about ND patches serving Sony's best interests:
http://uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/Uncharted_3:_Drake's_Deception_patches
Patch 1.01
Prove me wrong, Sony.
And in case anyone has doubts about ND patches serving Sony's best interests:
http://uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/Uncharted_3:_Drake's_Deception_patches
Patch 1.01
Prove me wrong, Sony.
DOWN
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But why would Square or other companies do this?
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Ugh, GT Sport also not? This is crazy. We neeld to do something but what? At least we can twitter like Vashetti but maybe we should contact DF or Sony directly but I am just an ordinary powerless Dutch guy.
Obviously Sony paid them to /s.
They do use better AA method which gives better edge quality than downsampling from 1800c.
If it's anything like the KH remaster, for 1080p displays you may as well be playing on a regular PS4.
LukasTaves
Member
Lazy Sony. The devs shouldn't be accountable to come up with a solution for something that should be handled system wide.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
Member
1080p owners were mislead, plain and simple. Really pissed me off when they took it out of the Last of Us. This console was a huge waste of money for me.0
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I don't understand why this can't be done at a system level.
I also don't understand why this wouldn't be in place already.
I also don't understand why this wouldn't be in place already.
InsaneTiger
Member
How would they save us?
They have direct communication with Sony and a scating piece on the neglect of 1080p Pro Users will surely make Sony notice. Even more in the wake of Scorpio.
Tyraniboah
Member
Is it worth getting a PS4 Pro if I have a high end PC? I want to play Horizon and the Uncharted series. That's about it really. I was thinking about grabbing a really cheap base model for under $200 as I'm not anal about frame rate or anything. But if the Pro is that much better then I'll consider it. The impressions on the Pro seem to be all over the place
InsaneTiger
Member
Not if you don't have a 4K tv. All exclusives run great on amateur PS4.
OfTheOverflow
Member
Why the hell is this not system-level? Games that are downsam look incredible on my screen and I can absolutely tell the difference. WipEout Omega Collection downsampled looks brearhta.
The thing is it has no reason not to be good for 1080p. Downsampling is not some arcane technology, is literarily a turning a fucking switch. The console already does downsampling to 720p.
Not like 4k support has been stellar either. The Pro is half assed as fuck.
it's only 1440p when the KH Collection is 4k60? wut
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
It's especially weird as a 720p TV user with an OG PS4 since launch. System downsamples perfectly, usually from 1080p.
OuterLimits
Member
Yeah. I haven't been overly impressed with my Pro purchase. Granted, my original PS4 died, so I was going to get a replacement anyway, but I probably should have just gotten another regular PS4.
I'm hoping this eventually gets resolved but I'm not expecting it.
Yeah, that plus a lack of killer benefits for games like Witcher 3 or bloodborne is making me even more inclined to just get a slim when the time finally comes. Also won't be getting a new TV until my 1080p burns out,and just picked it up 3 years ago.
Liabe Brave
Member
It does seem a little odd. But a slight difference is that the Kingdom Hearts releases have no AA at all, and very little in the way of complicated textures. Whereas Zodiac Age is basically a giant pile of complicated textures. I'd still like to have seen more improvement, though.
redone lighting system, (probably) MSAA and copious amounts of post processing could be the reason.
Shin
Banned
As smart as Cerny and crew are they dropped the ball on PS4/PS4P in a handful of ways.
I did my part (though it's for PS5): https://twitter.com/Chizomaru/status/882634338499776512
We can add voice chat overlay that you can move around and to see who's talking as well to that list.
I did my part (though it's for PS5): https://twitter.com/Chizomaru/status/882634338499776512
We can add voice chat overlay that you can move around and to see who's talking as well to that list.
foolishoptimist
Member
Pretty sure you're wrong.
MS are much better/stronger in enforcing standards across their games libraries/environments.
This is reminiscent of the scaling situation last gen. MS included dedicated hardware for scaling, and everything was handled consistently on an OS level across all games. Sony added scaling capabilities a while after the console launch, but it wasn't a system wide feature. Existing games had to be updated, and IIRC it was only a horizontal scaler. So devs needed to render non-standard resolutions to make use of it.
I'd be surprised if downsampling wasn't impacting performance, leading devs to just leave that feature off, rather than lower the quality of their 4K mode.
*bangs head against wall*
nogoodnamesleft
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Please don't talk about this without first hand experience. It's a nearly completely false assessment - I'd only say it's true if you have an incredibly disproportional investment into few games that don't support downsampling. Even of those that don't (like TLG) 1080p mode is essentially better (in that case offering more stable frame rate, in a game that very much needs it).
foolishoptimist
Member
Missed the detail that DF achieved down sampled output by changing display settings while title is running. I'm surprised that works.
Napalm_Frank
Member
This is the big reason why I'm not buying a Pro before downsampling is patched in as a OS option like boost mode was. There are just too many developers ignoring it.
Sniffynose
Member
Same and I got shit all over for being upset with how things were being handled and told there's no way a system wide option could enable pro mode for older games etc, and yet here we are, have a Pro Mode option but still getting shitty half assed downsampling support and random options (if any) on a game by game basis /shrug
Hidden One
Member
I recently got a PS4 Pro and I game on a 1440p monitor. Idk how this kinda stuff works but couldn't Sony release a patch so the console could use the 1440p resolution as well? Are is there more to it and the devs would actually have to patch their games to work with that resolution?
Melchiah
Member
Agreed. I was absolutely livid, since it was removed while I was playing the game through. I haven't touched it since. It's all the more annoying, that this bullshit makes me feel bitter about one of my favorite games.