Peterthumpa
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I love my Pro and I play on a 4K TV but holy fuck this is infuriating.
I'm glad competition will soon be a thing.
I'm glad competition will soon be a thing.
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Why are several PS4 Pro games arbitrarily locking 1080p users out of downsampling?
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Melchiah
Member
If the competition will have a system-wide supersampling on all games, I really hope that forces Sony's hand. It would be both amusing and sad, if they finally offered that for 1080p owners after the X's launch, a whole fucking year after the Pro launch. Even if they do so, I'm not getting my hopes up for older games like TLOU getting it retrospectively. Not to mention, that my third playthrough was already ruined when they removed it. Picking up from where I left off after all this time wouldn't fix it; the long pause diminishes the immersion, and I have no desire to start again from the beginning.
Eventhough I'm mostly satisfied with how the Pro handles games on 1080p displays, like Horizon for example, I'll be very hesitant to buy another mid-gen upgrade from them.
texhnolyze
Banned
Maybe there aren't that many Pro owners on Gaf, or the Internet in general. And the majority of who own one also own a 4K tv.
Shawn Layden said that half Pro users have a 1080p display.
DR2K
Banned
csnt sell those 4K sets if 1080p customers are satisfied
It's the developers that don't enable or block downsampling, right? They don't sell 4K TVs.
But first-party titles like Horizon have supersampling for 1080p players. C'mon, now...
What I find incredible is that Game "Press" is so fucking terrible they'd rather run a piece of "Best Cosplay of E3" than grow a pair and ask Sony directly in their 38484920 interviews. Like, really? NOBODY? no Jason Schreier, nor Digital Foundry, nor NXGamer, nor IGN, nor anybody? For fucks sake!
The Spoony Hou
Member
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I ended up buying a 4K TV because of this shit. I'm happy I did, but every single game should support downsampling. It better be part of the next major OS update.
... you're not helping out dude.
Banjo-Kazooie
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wesleyshark
Banned
yeah. thats why Im getting this One...
PushingButtons
Member
This is a total bummer. I actually got my Pro for free due to some shipping errors but I can't imagine plunking down $400 thinking most games will have supersampling only to get some games removing the feature and others not even allowing it.
Total bullshit to be honest.
Total bullshit to be honest.
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...t-created-one-of-the-most-distinct-rpgs-ever/
I posted:
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I posted:
Anyone care to upvote/like it and reply and/or post their own replies?
I got you fam
Andrefpvs
Member
I'm on it!
Thank you.
They patched out the downsampling a week or so after I purchased the Pro. I remember them announcing support for TLOU and me getting a it on sale for $10 in anticipation of purchase. I was enjoying the early levels on my friend's 1080p 100" projector. It was clear the differences between 1080p 60fps and the 4K mode. The downsampling was incredible. We were both impressed and had discussed letting go of Forza and Gears and committing to Sony this gen as the primary console.
A week or so later it was all gone. I took the Pro back and lost $30 on the deal with GameStop. I didn't care and wanted to send a message. My 1080p plasma is 3 years old and has very low hours on it. It'll last me another 4 years easy.
Sony has until launch and reviews of xbonex launches this fall. If not I'll skip PS4 for a few more years. The whole thing is funny because when PS4 launched I couldn't quite convince my friends to go PS4 (despite explaining the power advanstages) because they loved gears and forza so much. I kept saying that a GT7 is coming but Sony botched that as well. I had wore them down, they're all in their 30s like me and parents; they don't have the time to game on all systems so they would have followed me to Sony.
I'll still collect the odd PS4 game here or there on Black Friday and clearance sales but I won't play them for a few years. The upscaling was the final nail in the coffin for me and my friend group.
Negotiator
Member
DOWN
Banned
No, who is he?
secretanchitman
Member
He works for Naughty Dog, the studio behind Uncharted and The Last of Us.
If I remember correctly, I think one of the patches for The Last of Us Remastered got rid of supersampling, which no one has been able to figure out why.
Family Fry
Member
Maybe Sony told them to remove it? Gotta push those 4k TV's.
That's a ridiculous narrative, and people need to stop pushing it. Why does Uncharted 4 support it then? Or Horizon?
UziTheBeast
Banned
Most games aren't even 4k native and I doubt we will see many in the future. If they reallywanted to push 4k TVs then how about releasing a console that can actually handle native 4k/HDR
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
That also has nothing to do with the issue. 1440p already looks better on a 4K, than 1080p (without downsampling) does on a 1080p. Requiring games to be native 4K just to clear some checkbox is dumb.
AllBusinessJr
Member
I check back into this thread for every bump, and there is never any "news" to report. Disappointing.
Seriously, it's infuriating.
I know people at Sony and dev studios like Naughty Dog are reading this. Just make a fucking statement already!
We're still waiting on Digital Foundry to put up their article about it. Hopefully that draws Sony's attention.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
My guess is that in a case of TLOU someone made a bad judgment call (that they thought was a good call), and we're stuck with the 1.08 patch - and they don't want to put any more time into patching that game over and over. And they also probably don't want to say that they don't want to put more time into it, as it'd sound bad.
Are we sure they are making an article about it? This is one issue they should've tackled a LONG time ago...
BradleyLove
Member
Additionally it's absurd to think Sony's plan is to piss off existing Sony customers such that they'll then go out and buy a Sony 4K TV.
Yes, if you look back through the pages I posted a response from dark10x (John at DF).
They're definitely working on it.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Come on guys... we are Neogaf. We are obliged to whole mankind to take action. Let's develop a cunning plan to tackle this issue.
Yeah I've subscribed and hope something comes from this but doubtful. Hope springs eternal though.
Downsampling means that the game's frame rate might take a hit if it already has frame rate issues at higher res. I am kind of 50/50 on this. As a 1080p TV owner, I do enjoy the more stable frame rates at 1080p, but there are also games that run fine at higher res with no issues, and that's where I will be a little disappointed. To cater to everyone, I would like to see more games having options to take advantage of better frame rate and better resolution modes.
Yes, option in games would be nice.
One thing good in doing downsample within game is that developers can do custom solutions for it, some which could improve quality or performance.