Why Do Some People Feel Macron is a Better Leader Than Trump?

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https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/yellow-jacket-protests-paralyze-paris-threaten-macrons-government-222544432.html

PARIS — The City of Light was a ghost town Saturday. The Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, high-end restaurants and department stores were closed, many boarded up; major Metro stops were gated shut; main arteries were blocked by barricades and squadrons of helmeted police carrying riot shields. It was a “day of high risk,” the police warned, recommending that residents not leave home.

“I’ve never seen Paris like this before,” said my translator, Anne Millereau, on an eerily deserted street one block from the Champs Élysées and not far from the Arc de Triomphe, where apartment buildings were darkened and not even a dog-walker could be seen on the sidewalk. “It feels like a scene from a zombie movie. Or a war zone,” she added, as a boom, apparently from police shooting tear gas, echoed from nearby.
When you look at what he's proposed for France...

How people feel after less than 2 years...

And his background as an investment banker...

I don't get why people try to hold him up as the new leader of the free world or a competent technocrat. He's a dummy with bad ideas.

Even if you don't like the fact Pres. Trump is dealing with various investigations, when you put up his body of work next to Macron, I don't see how Macron is better overall.
 

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He was a new shiny socialism-lite leader who defeated a hard right candidate that the left could point to as an example of what they want here in the US. Now his country is in flames and they don't want to talk about it.


Edit: The French are once again learning about what a government should and shouldn't be. In the past these learning periods have been rather violent.
 
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No one sees him as leader of the free world not even the media who dont believe it themselves same with Angela Merkel who the media tried to sell as leader of the free world just months before she had to resign because she fucked up the eu beyond recognition.
Its just a media gottcha against trump nothing more they even think they are subtle and clever about it lol
 
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I don't really know much about Macron or his leadership style but with that said I think it's hard to find anyone who is a less capable leader than Trump. Trump doesn't 'lead' rather he does his damndest to 'dictate' because that is the 'leadership' style he is accustomed to from his business life. In his life, before politics he gave orders and people followed them even if this style drove business after business into bankruptcy it never seemed to change.

He is not a collaborator which in my opinion is a key trait for a good leader. A good leader must be able to listen, respect, and encourage those they are leading. He does none of those things. His leadership style is fear driven. People with his personality type just aren't good leaders. They may be good at other things but leading simply isn't the right path for his personality type.
 
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I don't really know much about Macron or his leadership style but with that said I think it's hard to find anyone who is a less capable leader than Trump. Trump doesn't 'lead' rather he does his damndest to 'dictate' because that is the 'leadership' style he is accustomed to from his business life. In his life, before politics he gave orders and people followed them even if this style drove business after business into bankruptcy it never seemed to change.

He is not a collaborator which in my opinion is a key trait for a good leader. A good leader must be able to listen, respect, and encourage those they are leading. He does none of those things. His leadership style is fear driven. People with his personality type just aren't good leaders. They may be good at other things but leading simply isn't the right path for his personality type.
That's the biggest issue with Trump. He has zero personality and etiquette skills.

He's grumpy, yells, point fingers, is on Twitter too much criticizing things.

A big part of politics is putting on a good show. The majority of policies and hidden agenda bills being pushed most people will not even know about. Only the big issues get publicized. But to get the public on your side, you got to act the part. And if that means smiling and being nice, you got to do it when the camera is on you.

Trump doesn't care.

He might have some great ideas to push through, but a lot of people will go against him not because they read the policy, but because he's not likable.
 

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European leaders are terribad right now.
But keep fighting against anyone with national pride though
 

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You mean the Rothschild investment banker and globalist who routinely states there is no french culture just diversity? That right winger? lol
Has he actually said that? I thought the French were proud of their culture to a point of arrogance. Wonder how someone like that could get elected.
 

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Has he actually said that? I thought the French were proud of their culture to a point of arrogance. Wonder how someone like that could get elected.
Rothschild puppet is your answer. Unlimited bankroll and media support.
 

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Not just Macron... look at May in the UK, Merkel in Germany and Varadkar in Ireland. All terrible, weak leaders that depend on the media to spread a positive image of their government.

They are all puppets imo. Incapable of real leadership and you may not like Trumps style of leadership but at least it is leadership.
 

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Still mind blowing to me how the media managed to sell macron as a outsider and underdog breakout literally comparable to trump and bernie sanders to get him elected lol
Just think about the average person you know. Could be a friend or family member who you'd consider the median for intellgence. 49.99999% of people are dumber than that. Scary thought.
 

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Still mind blowing to me how the media managed to sell macron as a outsider and underdog breakout literally comparable to trump and bernie sanders to get him elected lol
To allow a "populist" to get control of a country like Italy isn't as much of a big deal cause they still have leverage over them with the bailouts etc.
However, France... France has no leverage over them and would be a huge turning point for Europe against these destructive policies that globalism seeks to implementblindly.
 

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Because it's hard for people at ground zero to conceptualize somebody worse than Trump.
 
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I don't really know much about Macron or his leadership style but with that said I think it's hard to find anyone who is a less capable leader than Trump. Trump doesn't 'lead' rather he does his damndest to 'dictate' because that is the 'leadership' style he is accustomed to from his business life. In his life, before politics he gave orders and people followed them even if this style drove business after business into bankruptcy it never seemed to change.

He is not a collaborator which in my opinion is a key trait for a good leader. A good leader must be able to listen, respect, and encourage those they are leading. He does none of those things. His leadership style is fear driven. People with his personality type just aren't good leaders. They may be good at other things but leading simply isn't the right path for his personality type.
And yet, he is a better leader than Merkel, May, Macron, Trudeau, Putin, Un, Maduro, Hernandez...

There are many different types of leadership. His is working for now. At the very least it isn't counter productive despite the MSM smears and the Democrat tantrums. He doesn't have to be liked. He is a prick of the highest caliber and he's trying to make good on his campaign promises.
 

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Because almost any decent person with a functional human brain and the ability to form words with their mouth can be a better leader than Trump?
 
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He was a new shiny socialism-lite leader who defeated a hard right candidate that the left could point to as an example of what they want here in the US. Now his country is in flames and they don't want to talk about it.


Edit: The French are once again learning about what a government should and shouldn't be. In the past these learning periods have been rather violent.

Jesus Christ, what am I reading? The reason why the banker is hated so much in France is because he's enforcing hardline rightwing neoliberal policies on the population like privatizations, welfare reforms that screw the middle and lower classes and tax cuts for the rich. Even the diesel tax is a fine example of how he burdens the lower classes with a problem created by corporate greed instead of burdeniong the rich with it. I swear both the majority of liberals and especially rightwingers in the US don't have the faintest idea what left or socialism is.
 

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Jesus Christ, what am I reading? The reason why the banker is hated so much in France is because he's enforcing hardline rightwing neoliberal policies on the population like privatizations, welfare reforms that screw the middle and lower classes and tax cuts for the rich. Even the diesel tax is a fine example of how he burdens the lower classes with a problem created by corporate greed instead of burdeniong the rich with it. I swear both the majority of liberals and especially rightwingers in the US don't have the faintest idea what left or socialism is.
I think the politics in Europe and the US are simply too different to make direct comparisons. The left in the US is pretty much center in most of Europe imo.
 

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It's because the media has to favor who was approved based off of the globalist agenda. High taxes, regulations, and immigration to create an underclass of victim voters that will vote for any trojan horse the powers at be want.

This is why they hate Trump. He refuses to do it. Sure he offer spews verbal diarrhea. However, his policies are really what matters.
 

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I think the politics in Europe and the US are simply too different to make direct comparisons. The left in the US is pretty much center in most of Europe imo.

There should be one standard, the one that has been set by the definition of these ideologies. We shouldn't use standards created by corporate media propaganda and bullshit that is flooding both US and in fact Europe. Macron isn't a socialist and isn't a radical centrist. He's a banker whose economic policies are deeply rightwing and like all neoliberal scumbags uses identity politics platitudes as PR to hide his true identity. It's pretty much this: "Sure, I'm privatizing everything, and cutting taxes for the rich and destroying your welfare programs but, BUT I'M A FEMINIST! LOOK HOW MUCH I RESPECT WOMEN, GOD I HATE MANSPREADING SO MUCH!"

Why do you think Hillary Clinton and other corporate Democrats suddenly started to care about this bullshit too? They're all using the same playbook of distraction through divisive identity politics drama.
 
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There should be one standard, the one that has been set by the definition of these ideologies. We shouldn't use standards created by corporate media propaganda and bullshit that is flooding both US and in fact Europe. Macron isn't a socialist and isn't a radical centrist. He's a banker whose economic policies are deeply rightwing and like all neoliberal scumbags uses identity politics platitudes as PR to hide his true identity. It's pretty much this: "Sure, I'm privatizing everything, and cutting taxes for the rich and destroying your welfare programs but, BUT I'M A FEMINIST! LOOK HOW MUCH I RESPECT WOMEN, GOD I HATE MANSPREADING SO MUCH!"

Why do you think Hillary Clinton and other corporate Democrats suddenly started to care about this bullshit too? They're all using the same playbook of distraction through divisive identity politics drama.
So he's right wing on economy and left wing on social issues (Atleast campaigns that way). I've always found the left-right way to simplistic.
 
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Link below is one example of what he's proposed and partially pushed through (article is a bit dated).

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/02/macron-labor-reform-cgt-melenchon

The key point is that Macron is trying to hurt the little man under the guise he's making the French better off in the short-run and the long-run. In the minds of Macron and his supporters, he can do this junk in spite of protests because he won. No other view ultimately matters.

However, supporters of Macron's worldview don't mention the fact turnout was piss poor in the elections. Therefore, he doesn't have a mandate from voters to do what he said he was going to do rather he just got a plurality of the vote. Moreover, the reason there's "controversy" surrounding his reforms is because they're bad ideas. There would be no controversy if they were fantastic or highly likely to work. So, now people are rising up even though he "won". And he can't just steamroll over them. The people who are fighting back are a problem for his radical agenda.

Because almost any decent person with a functional human brain and the ability to form words with their mouth can be a better leader than Trump?
What does Macron do that makes him a better leader overall than Trump? Look at his approval. Look at his economy. He's not good at what he does for a living as an elected official. He's worse than an outsider with Pres. Trump's background and style with no political experience.
 
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So he's right wing on economy and left wing on social issues (Atleast campaigns that way). I've always found the left-right way to simplistic.

Aside from the fact that intersectionality which is a monstrosity of an ideology that has as much to do with socialism and it has to do with science (it sloppily ripped off ideas and terms from both) there is a vast difference between words and actions. Macron has demonstrated again and again through actions that he's a rightwinger, on the other hand he doesn't seem to have imposed the insane intersectional principles in his government or on the country: Where's the 50/50 equality of outcome style polices that would force corporations to adopt such measures for example? Oops nothing found because he doesn't want to mess with his real bosses properties or ruin France's economy with insane policies.

We're not supposed to take politicians word for it that they support something, we judge that for ourselves. Unless you believe that North Korea is democratic or China is still communist.
 
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Jesus Christ, what am I reading? The reason why the banker is hated so much in France is because he's enforcing hardline rightwing neoliberal policies on the population like privatizations, welfare reforms that screw the middle and lower classes and tax cuts for the rich. Even the diesel tax is a fine example of how he burdens the lower classes with a problem created by corporate greed instead of burdeniong the rich with it. I swear both the majority of liberals and especially rightwingers in the US don't have the faintest idea what left or socialism is.
Drink that koolaid
 

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Not just Macron... look at May in the UK, Merkel in Germany and Varadkar in Ireland. All terrible, weak leaders that depend on the media to spread a positive image of their government.

They are all puppets imo. Incapable of real leadership and you may not like Trumps style of leadership but at least it is leadership.
Hillary is/was part of that club of neoliberal puppets. Hence the freak out over Trump.
 

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I don't really know much about Macron or his leadership style but with that said I think it's hard to find anyone who is a less capable leader than Trump. Trump doesn't 'lead' rather he does his damndest to 'dictate' because that is the 'leadership' style he is accustomed to from his business life. In his life, before politics he gave orders and people followed them even if this style drove business after business into bankruptcy it never seemed to change.

He is not a collaborator which in my opinion is a key trait for a good leader. A good leader must be able to listen, respect, and encourage those they are leading. He does none of those things. His leadership style is fear driven. People with his personality type just aren't good leaders. They may be good at other things but leading simply isn't the right path for his personality type.
I'm not saying Trump has been that great, but that's the kind of leader we need right now to get us out of this mess. I wish Trump was more like how described him when comes to the issues that actually matter. The Judiciary has been a huge impediment because President Trump has been rather weak, and not at all like you described him.
 

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However, supporters of Macron's worldview don't mention the fact turnout was piss poor in the elections. Therefore, he doesn't have a mandate from voters to do
In the very example of fuel tax, polls suggest that majority did support his decision to raise them.
 

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Because Fake News built him up. It's hilarious contrasting his magazine covers versus Trump. Looks silly now.



 

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Since the U.S. deosn't have a legitimate President occupying the White House, there's a significant void felt around the world, one that millions are desperate to have someone fill. Justin Trudeau could have been him, but Canada doesn't have the numbers or gravitas that would permit him to be viewed that way. France and, hence, Macron do. I don't agree with his economic policy, by the way. Just offering a rationale for why he is far preferred to the syphilitic cheeto.
 
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Since the U.S. deosn't have a legitimate President occupying the White House,
Oh shut the fuck up with this horseshit you insufferable chode. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't the legitimate president of the US.
Christ I hated this shit when people did it with Obama and I didn't even like the man or his policies.
 

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Oh shut the fuck up with this horseshit you insufferable chode. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't the legitimate president of the US.
Christ I hated this shit when people did it with Obama and I didn't even like the man or his policies.
The syphillitic cheeto isn't legitmate. Majority of the public doesn't support him, no nation in the first world respects him, and Mueller is slowly revealing his win in 2016 as having been engineered by Russia. He's not my President.
 

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The syphillitic cheeto isn't legitmate. Majority of the public doesn't support him, no nation in the first world respects him, and Mueller is slowly revealing his win in 2016 as having been engineered by Russia. He's not my President.
 

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The syphillitic cheeto isn't legitmate. Majority of the public doesn't support him, no nation in the first world respects him, and Mueller is slowly revealing his win in 2016 as having been engineered by Russia. He's not my President.
You may not like it, but he's your president.
 
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The syphillitic cheeto isn't legitmate. Majority of the public doesn't support him, no nation in the first world respects him, and Mueller is slowly revealing his win in 2016 as having been engineered by Russia. He's not my President.
Low energy troll, at least put some effort in.
 

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I don't really know much about Macron or his leadership style but with that said I think it's hard to find anyone who is a less capable leader than Trump. Trump doesn't 'lead' rather he does his damndest to 'dictate' because that is the 'leadership' style he is accustomed to from his business life. In his life, before politics he gave orders and people followed them even if this style drove business after business into bankruptcy it never seemed to change.

He is not a collaborator which in my opinion is a key trait for a good leader. A good leader must be able to listen, respect, and encourage those they are leading. He does none of those things. His leadership style is fear driven. People with his personality type just aren't good leaders. They may be good at other things but leading simply isn't the right path for his personality type.
Excellent points.

And I'd add my belief that responsibility/accountability go hand in hand with authority as important components of genuine leadership. But Trump is constantly casting blame all around him - it's the democrat's/media's/my predecessors/somebody else's fault!

Real leaders don't cast aspersions on those who serve in their organizations, or tear down important institutions (like the FBI and DOJ). When some naval ships collide, the Fleet Admiral is held responsible. When a company has a rough quarter, the CEO needs to explain the conditions causing the setbacks and what the company will do to course-correct. They don't point fingers at individuals within their organizations. They also don't engage in juvenile twitter tirades.
 

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Excellent points.

And I'd add my belief that responsibility/accountability go hand in hand with authority as important components of genuine leadership. But Trump is constantly casting blame all around him - it's the democrat's/media's/my predecessors/somebody else's fault!

Real leaders don't cast aspersions on those who serve in their organizations, or tear down important institutions (like the FBI and DOJ). When some naval ships collide, the Fleet Admiral is held responsible. When a company has a rough quarter, the CEO needs to explain the conditions causing the setbacks and what the company will do to course-correct. They don't point fingers at individuals within their organizations. They also don't engage in juvenile twitter tirades.
You have a very idealistic view of leadership and while it is a good answer in a college test, most of the greatest leaders were highly flawed individuals that would not accept criticism or would react defensively. Winston Churchill , Maggie Thatcher, Napoleon and so on....
I'm afraid that all of life is not a college test and the answers can be more obscure than chapter and verse.
 

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You have a very idealistic view of leadership and while it is a good answer in a college test, most of the greatest leaders were highly flawed individuals that would not accept criticism or would react defensively. Winston Churchill , Maggie Thatcher, Napoleon and so on....
I'm afraid that all of life is not a college test and the answers can be more obscure than chapter and verse.
You are, of course, entitled to feel that way about my experiences with leadership (as a leader, and as a subordinate).

I don't deny that all humans are flawed, but IME every other leader I've ever worked with that I admired accepted accountability.
 

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Trump is nothing more than a phase of America coming terms with how it got it's riches and the path it needs to take going forward to continue to be prosperous.

The truth is the U.S.A. is/was a racist place exploiting nearly every minority that reached her shores. Going forward there is enough wealth in this country to make up for what was taken from the Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese, African Americans and still have the U.S. be a great place to live.

The racist point of view is white prosperity only because there is not enough to go around. That is just not true. Bill Gates has enough money to make everybody in this country a millionaire and not change his lifestyle one bit.
 
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