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[brap]

What really upsets about this is people usually assume if you like sexy designs in your games that means you want jack off to it. So are they telling me people can't enjoy beautiful actress in movies without want to jack off to it?

I guess. No wonder all the women in hollywood these days are average at best.

 

[joe_zazen]

What really upsets about this is people usually assume if you like sexy designs in your games that means you want jack off to it. So are they telling me people can't enjoy beautiful actress in movies without want to jack off to it?

yes.

it is why i stopped going to the theater. That and used hotdogs on the seats.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

These people are gonna make me have a fucking aneurysm. Normally these retards are all like 'omg le sexuality is fluid. women can like other women I love lgbtiruwoefhbneieugbbh+ people'. Then as soon as a cute girl in video games is shown its all NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE MALE GAZE THIS IS ALL FOR HORNY INCELS. REAL WOMEN GET OFFENDED BY THIS.

It is the minority as well. Oddly enough most of the people I've met to date whetever straight gay or noodle, aren't as prudish as I am.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

What really upsets about this is people usually assume if you like sexy designs in your games that means you want jack off to it. So are they telling me people can't enjoy beautiful actress in movies without want to jack off to it?

It's a cheap Poison the Well tactic. They have no good reason to justify their puritanism, so all they can do is shame you repeatedly.

 

[brap]

yes.

it is why i stopped going to the theater. That and used hotdogs on the seats.

I can't believe Pee Wee Herman is a gaffer. This is crazy lmao.

It is the minority as well. Oddly enough most of the people I've met to date whetever straight gay or noodle, aren't as prudish as I am.

Most people don't give a shit. The far left incels are the ones that do. The same people that watch cartoons and marvel movies. I guess they don't want to be reminded about how they never have sex so they want all women to be ugly and in burkas.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Most people don't give a shit. The far left incels are the ones that do. The same people that watch cartoons and marvel movies. I guess they don't want to be reminded about how they never have sex so they want all women to be ugly and in burkas.

Far left incels? Is this a meme? You can't be a far left anything and hate wuman! I thought most incels hated censorship in general but hated thots and wrote for One Angry Gamer.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Far left incels? Is this a meme? You can't be a far left anything and hate wuman! I thought most incels hated censorship in general but hated thots and wrote for One Angry Gamer.

Instead of far left incels, I personally call them femcels. Rolls off the tongue rather nicely.

 

[brap]

Far left incels? Is this a meme? You can't be a far left anything and hate wuman! I thought most incels hated censorship in general but hated thots and wrote for One Angry Gamer.

I know you're being sarcastic but 2 sides of the same coin. One side puts women on a pedestal and expects sex. The other side hates them because they can't get sex.

Instead of far left incels, I personally call them femcels. Rolls off the tongue rather nicely.

I thought femcels were women. What about all the male feminists? Also there's transcels.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I thought femcels were women. What about all the male feminists? Also there's transcels.

Male femcels? I always considered "fem-" to be an abbreviation of 'feminist', not 'female'.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I know you're being sarcastic but 2 sides of the same coin. One side puts women on a pedestal and expects sex. The other side hates them because they can't get sex.

I used to follow them on reddit for laughs and they never came off as left leaning. In fact they were extremely conservative. #Stacey

 

[brap]

I used to follow them on reddit for laughs and they never came off as left leaning. In fact they were extremely conservative. #Stacey

I'm talking about the male feminists that never get laid and always prop up women. They're always balding numale liberals.

 

[EightBit Man]

Self censorship is censorship, I am making a video about the history of video game censorship. Nintendo’s self censorship prevented them from even bothering to port some games to America.

From the book Replay: The History of Video Games :

"Keen to avoid controversy or another Custer’s Revenge, Nintendo produced an extensive list detailing what game publishers could not put in a NES games. The rules echoed both the Hays Code, which policed the films of Hollywood from 1934 to 1968, and the 1954 Comics Code. The Hays Code emerged in response to a spate of scandals in the 1920s that earned Hollywood the nickname ‘Sin City’. Enacted by Will Hays, the head of the movie business trade association and a campaign manager for US President Warren Harding, the code was actually written by the Catholic Father Daniel Lord. The Hays Code banned sex, drug use, nudity, swearing, positive portrayals of criminals and the ridicule of religion. Its rules encouraged Hollywood to spend three decades creating innocent fantasies or moralistic parables where the bad guys were always punished for their crimes.

The Comics Code was born out of a political row about adverts for porn, drug paraphernalia and weapons in comics that coincided with increasing public disquiet about gore, violence and sexual content of comic books. The Comics Code took its cues from The Hays Code. It banned cannibalism, zombies, torture, sex and werewolves. It required that “in every instance good shall triumph over evil and the criminal be punished for his misdeeds” and demanded that judges, government, police and other respected institutions were not treated in a negative way. Many of Nintendo’s restrictions could have been lifted directly from the Hays Code. Nintendo prohibited graphic depictions of death, the Hays Code barred studios from showing brutal killings in detail. Both barred sex, nudity, random or gratuitous violence, criticism of religion and illegal drug use. Nintendo also banned games from featuring tobacco and alcohol, and prohibited sexist and racist content. The NES remake of the ultra-violent, anti-drugs Narc played down the drug references and removed the blood from the original coin-op game. “The game was watered down to almost unrecognisable levels,” said the arcade version’s creator Eugene Jarvis. Jaleco was forced to remove nude Greek statues from its NES version of Lucasfilm Games’ Rocky Horror Show-inspired adventure game Maniac Mansion. Even Miyamoto couldn’t escape the censors. His 1984 Pac-Man clone Devil World was refused a US release because it featured demons, Bibles and crucifixes – a breach of the rules of the treatment of religious imagery.

But Nintendo’s code differed from the Hays Code and Comics Code in its motivations if not content. Nintendo’s rules did not emerge in response to public or political pressure but more from an expectation of controversy at a later stage. It was also a unilateral censorship code rather than one agreed to the video game industry as a whole – as was the case with the movie and comic industries with the Hays Code and Comics Code."

The part I made bold is the difference with today. To quote another book, Console Wars :

"By the early 1980s, the videogame bonanza had become so lucrative that everyone wanted in on the action. This included companies that had no business entering the market (like Purina, whose Chase the Chuck Wagon was designed to help promote their Chuck Wagon brand of dog food), companies that didn’t quite understand the market (like Dunhill Electronics, whose Tax Avoiders allowed players to jockey past a maze of evil accountants and onerous IRS agents), and lowbrow companies that set out to polarize the market (like Mystique, whose flair for pornographic titles was highlighted by their 1982 anticlassic Custer’s Revenge, which follows a naked cowboy on his quest to rape Native American women). With games like these becoming more and more common, the marketplace was overrun by a glut of smut, muck, and mediocrity."

In other words: this was part of the safe guard to prevent another US video game crash from happening again.

 

[petran79]

Computer game scene was impossible to control and censor, mainly due to piracy and lack of quality assurance. Similarly to how Manhunt 2 unedited leak became popular back then. My friend borrowed a hacked PS2 just for that game, lending his genuine PS2 to the other PS2 owner.Though game wasn't woth it in the end.

Leisure Suit Larry was even denied retail distribution and it spread via piracy. But pc developers also targeted the appropriate demographic with all those games inspired by metal band covers from scifi and fantasy. Consoles would rarely touch that genre to avoid more reaction by angry parents, linking those to satanism.

 

[Halo is Back]

You can have both!

Fat one should come with a burger accessory

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Yeah... not looking good for TMS Encore. One of the reasons why the original game didn't sell well in the west was due to the censorship. The game was niche, so why piss off the remaining people who were interested in it?

 

[brap]

Yeah... not looking good for TMS Encore. One of the reasons why the original game didn't sell well in the west was due to the censorship. The game was niche, so why piss off the remaining people who were interested in it?

Is this a switch only game or is it on PS4 too?

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Is this a switch only game or is it on PS4 too?

Switch-only. It's a cross-over game featuring the Fire Emblem series.

 

[brap]

Switch-only. It's a cross-over game featuring the Fire Emblem series.

Wtf I thought nintendo didnt censor games like snoy. Bullshit. Still don't know which consoles to buy the fucking langrisser box set for. i really need to learn moon runes.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Nintendo doesn't anymore, but even in this case it was all on Atlus. Yamagami (one of the Producers) explicitly stated that Atlus made the changes on their own and the reason was "to attract as many customers as possible". It apparently was so bad that their own staff was divided, because Hirata (the Designer) spoke out against the changes.

My guess is that they were completely misunderstanding the west at the time, or gave the morons who hate anime/japanese culture way too much credit (judging from the "as many customers as possible" comment he gave in an interview), because they went nuts with the censorship in this game going as far as completely changing a theme of a dungeon which was about gravure idols, so it kinda sucks if we get the censored version again.

I won't touch this if it turns out to be the same shit version. I'd rather fiddle around with my WiiU to get the Restoration version running instead of buying it for Switch.

 

[ranmafan]

Yeah... not looking good for TMS Encore. One of the reasons why the original game didn't sell well in the west was due to the censorship. The game was niche, so why piss off the remaining people who were interested in it?

As a huge fan of this game, and one that lives in Japan, I gotta say this won’t go well with a lot of the fans here at all. The signs have been there that everyone was getting the censored version and now it looks more confirmed. Huge mistake by all those involved in my opinion. Such a stupid decision to continue the ridiculous changes and expand them to Japan

 

[Zambatoh]

Nintendo doesn't anymore, but even in this case it was all on Atlus. Yamagami (one of the Producers) explicitly stated that Atlus made the changes on their own and the reason was "to attract as many customers as possible". It apparently was so bad that their own staff was divided, because Hirata (the Designer) spoke out against the changes.

My guess is that they were completely misunderstanding the west at the time, or gave the morons who hate anime/japanese culture way too much credit (judging from the "as many customers as possible" comment he gave in an interview), because they went nuts with the censorship in this game going as far as completely changing a theme of a dungeon which was about gravure idols, so it kinda sucks if we get the censored version again.

I won't touch this if it turns out to be the same shit version. I'd rather fiddle around with my WiiU to get the Restoration version running instead of buying it for Switch.

This is the first time I've heard of this. Do you have a source?

 

[Endless Fluff]

Would you be more specific?

Yamagami talking about localization

A portion of the Western audience that appreciates Japanese games become very upset when any content in a game is altered during the localization process, regardless of how big or small the detail may be. When adapting a game for Western markets, does that affect how you go about designing some elements? Or do you ever feel like you have to strip away things that are central to the game's identity or purpose, just to make it a viable product outside of Japan?

Hitoshi Yamagami: Each country has its unique culture and taste. There are times when common sense in one country can be thoughtlessness in another. However, if we create a game with only that common sense that causes no problems in any of the countries, it can be a very boring game.

From among the various complex tastes of people worldwide, the developer selects settings and characters that appeal to as many people as possible. That being said, it is true that as we build up the settings and characters, we are sometimes obliged to change something in part of the game. This optimization does not destroy the identity of what we as developers want to convey. Developers would not accept such drastic changes. The changes made during localization are optimizations intended to bring to as many customers as possible the things that we want to convey. No major changes are made that would change what we want to convey.

Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Team Talks Atlus' Localization, Regional Changes, and Pop Music Influence

Designers from Nintendo and Atlus sit down to talk about working together, why some things are changed in localization, and why Atlus took over translation.

www.gamespot.com

Hirata being disappointed by the changes he had to make for the western release

google translate: When I found out that I couldn't provide the same products as in Japan, I was disappointed, but I did my best to make sure that everyone overseas was happy. At the moment, the overseas version of the costume is a merit that only foreigners can enjoy, so thank you!

The gravure idol story and dungeon changes?

Finally, it seems like a change has been made to one of the game’s dungeons. In the Japanese version, the dungeon dealt with a gravure idol and paparazzi. In the Western version, photos of the girl displayed in the dungeon show that she wears less revealing clothing, suggesting she might just be a regular model in that version. Currently it’s not known if this will result in any changes to the game’s story.

More changes to the Western version of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE

Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE was playable at PAX East last weekend and we got quite a bit of video footage of the Western version thanks to that. The game’s trailer that was shown in the last Nintendo Direct already showed a change made to a character’s outfit in the localized version; Nintendo...

nintendoeverything.com

I mean, I don't know which sources you need.

 

[Zambatoh]

Thank you.

Edit: Actually I still find this whole thing confusing. In the recent past, like with Persona or SMT, they never had to resort to such drastic changes like this in the first place.
Everything about TMS's localization is completely out of character for ATLUS. Everything they did to this game is a practice they haven't done since the original Persona in the 90's. To outright butcher aspects of the story or the nature of some of the content. Not only that, but coming from their own mouths, the developers were against this, so I still have to wander. "Who" actually made the call to make these changes? Was it ATLUS's upper management? Or was it Nintendo's?

 

[Endless Fluff]

It might have something to do with the teams inside Atlus who worked on the project. The guys behind Persona are "P Studio", TMS#FE are Atlus themselves. Atlus seems very hands off when it comes to Persona.

It might have been NoA who was a bit too focused on the "family friendly" image the WiiU was supposed to have. TMS#FE isn't the only game that had content removed for the west (anyone remember Fatal Frame/Project Zero?), but NoA was only fucking up their own localizations thanks to Treehouse.

I guess we'll never know, we only know that Atlus takes full responsibility.

2014-2016 was a very weird time in terms of gaming anyways, were japanese devs didn't want to offend anyone in the west *remembers Team Ninja and their DOAX3 response*. I believe Yamagami when he says that the localization was done in such a way to reach the most people and that includes "not offending anyone".

 

[Zambatoh]

Well it's pretty clear the "Don't offend everyone" approach didn't work. They offended their own fanbase.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I just came here to say censorship can eat 10 dicks... no... all the dicks ever, so many dicks they need to explore an Ubisoft open world to find every last dick.

 

[Danjin44]

I really enjoyed TMS#FE but the censorship on that was just bizarre, I really hope we get uncensored version for Switch, that game deserves better.

 

[Virex]

Wtf I thought nintendo didnt censor games like snoy. Bullshit. Still don't know which consoles to buy the fucking langrisser box set for. i really need to learn moon runes.

Nintendo Treehouse is probably involved somehow. They like censoring. That's why Xenoblade Chronicles 2 arrived in the west the way it did and not altered and censored. It was localised by Nintendo's European localisation team and not the US Treehouse.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Nintendo Treehouse is probably involved somehow. They like censoring. That's why Xenoblade Chronicles 2 arrived in the west the way it did and not altered and censored. It was localised by Nintendo's European localisation team and not the US Treehouse.

Doubt it. This is more than likely a quick and easy way to port the game over with some very minor new content. Almost all of the folks behind the TMS#FE/Fire Emblem Fates censorship have been removed from Treehouse/Nintendo.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Doubt it. This is more than likely a quick and easy way to port the game over with some very minor new content. Almost all of the folks behind the TMS#FE/Fire Emblem Fates censorship have been removed from Treehouse/Nintendo.

Now if we'd only get better translators in general.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

It is the minority as well. Oddly enough most of the people I've met to date whetever straight gay or noodle, aren't as prudish as I am.

You've destroyed my illusion of you with a body pillow.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Well it's pretty clear the "Don't offend everyone" approach didn't work. They offended their own fanbase.

Late reply, but Japanese developers and the localizers should just follow Harada's example. I mean, he absolutely pulls no punches:

 

[Zambatoh]

Yakuza 4: HD Remaster Localizers Censor The Word "Rape" From The Original English Version of Yakuza 4

I guess the word "rape" is no longer acceptable to be in video games in the metoo era, so the US localizers removed the word in the remaster, the funny thing is that they censored their own correct translation that they done when the original Yakuza 4 English version came out years ago as you...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Collz69]

Every sexuality & gender (all 97 of them) are acceptable and possible and catered for unless you are a male that finds real women with actual vagina’s attractive.

Clown World.

 

[ManaByte]

Nintendo Treehouse is probably involved somehow. They like censoring. That's why Xenoblade Chronicles 2 arrived in the west the way it did and not altered and censored. It was localised by Nintendo's European localisation team and not the US Treehouse.

Treehouse censoring stuff is funny since they had a literal hooker on staff before the Switch launch.

 

[Virex]

Treehouse censoring stuff is funny since they had a literal hooker on staff before the Switch launch.

You talking about "Maria Mint"?

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Treehouse censoring stuff is funny since they had a literal hooker on staff before the Switch launch.

You could say that Treehouse got a bad Rapp before she got fired.

 

[petran79]

had no idea about this:
developer of Unholy Torture

Steam Community :: Error

steamcommunity.com

About ｍosaic
In Japan, I am arrested if I don't put a mosaic on the genitals.

I want to uncensored too. But I don't want to be arrested.

Although it is a Japanese article, there is a case where a person who distributed an obscene thing using an overseas server was arrested.Even illustrations are arrested.
Japanese laws are stricter than you think.
If I distribute a mosaic remover, it could be a sin.
(Note that Japanese law does not count as obscene if the genitals have a mosaic.)

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/sonodahisashi/20170112-00066500/

 

[The Mad Draklor]

had no idea about this:
developer of Unholy Torture

Steam Community :: Error

steamcommunity.com

About ｍosaic
In Japan, I am arrested if I don't put a mosaic on the genitals.

I want to uncensored too. But I don't want to be arrested.

Although it is a Japanese article, there is a case where a person who distributed an obscene thing using an overseas server was arrested.Even illustrations are arrested.
Japanese laws are stricter than you think.
If I distribute a mosaic remover, it could be a sin.
(Note that Japanese law does not count as obscene if the genitals have a mosaic.)

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/sonodahisashi/20170112-00066500/

Yeah, Japanese porn whether it involves real people or hentai are required to censor the genitals. It has been a thing for several years.

 

[Jeeves]

That's been a thing for as long as I can remember.

 

[Endless Fluff]

It's a thing since at least the end of WW2 and was apparently introduced by the US when they occupied japan. While they got rid of censorship on freedom of speech, they tightened it around obscenity.

The Japanese were also cracking down really hard on uncensored JAV over the past 6ish years, even JAV actresses were on the hook for "indecent exposure". So I can understand if some eroge dev is very afraid of the police cracking down on his ass if he breaks this law.

 

[petran79]

I meant that you will be arrested if you will not comply, even doing it from overseas. Because Mangagamer hosts some VN without mosaic, it seems to be the law targets specific individuals than going as a whole

 

[brap]

Anybody know if Death Mark is censored on PS4 on disc? I know the switch version isn't until you update.

 

[h3ad0rZ]

I meant that you will be arrested if you will not comply, even doing it from overseas. Because Mangagamer hosts some VN without mosaic, it seems to be the law targets specific individuals than going as a whole

It targets Japan. MangaGamer is a western publisher that officially licenses the games, thus can release them without mosaics and they block Japan's IP addreses so people from there can't buy them. In case of Unholy Torture, he just self-released this game straight up from Japan. More so is that he probably doesn't even have proper company over there, its most likely just self-publishing doujin, so yeah, I guess he would be targeted as individual in Japan.

 

[petran79]

This currently goes in the releases-to-watch category, but Spike Chunsoft has altered the opening cinematic to their forthcoming PS4 & PC action-RPG, Crystar. A brief glimpse of the main character's exposed buttocks has been removed from the opening cinematic uploaded to both YouTube and its Steam page. The company hasn't issued a response on the matter.

One Angry Gamer has an article posted for those willing to visit the site:
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/03/crystars-western-release-on-ps4-steam-gets-hit-with-censorship-early/80735/

Those interested can also just compare the Japanese and international versions of the cinematic.

JP version (relevant part starts around 1:02 minute mark):



International version (relevant part starts around 1:05 minute mark):



This small change could always solely be for promotional purposes and not altered in the final product. We'll either have to wait for a comment from Spike Chunsoft or the actual release.

Seems the PC version has not altered the opening, using the Japanese version

 

[JunkerWoland]

Seems the PC version has not altered the opening, using the Japanese version

This is the case. The publisher confirmed back in July on its website (link) that the PC version would not be altered.

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In other news and unrelated to the above, based on a publisher representative's post in the Steam forums (link), it appears the upcoming PC release of Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception will be based on the western PS4 version, which does feature a slightly censored scene.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I wonder how Sony's censorship will affect the PS5, particularly the reception towards it in Asia.

 

[petran79]

This is the case. The publisher confirmed back in July on its website (link) that the PC version would not be altered.

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In other news and unrelated to the above, based on a publisher representative's post in the Steam forums (link), it appears the upcoming PC release of Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception will be based on the western PS4 version, which does feature a slightly censored scene.

Meanwhile you can play the original PC game with English translation and voice patch from the PS2 version and it contains nudity scenes too

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I wonder how Sony's censorship will affect the PS5, particularly the reception towards it in Asia.

Did anybody get Atelier Ryza on the Ps4? Does it have censorship?

 

[Danjin44]

Did anybody get Atelier Ryza on the Ps4? Does it have censorship?

I have it on my PS4, I didn’t notice any censorship.