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Why I deleted my Steam account (gamesindustry.biz article)
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MrFortyFive
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There's plenty about Steam that can be improved, and that certainly includes all the vile behavior that goes on in some of its darker corners. While I would fully support someone's decision to not spend money there and move on to other services like GOG, Origin, Uplay, etc. (most of my gaming money goes to GOG these days), deleting your account and intentionally cutting yourself off from products you paid for seems like shooting yourself in the foot to spite someone who doesn't give a shit about your existence.
I agree here. The lack of DRM and their somewhat flawed attempts at curation are the big separating points between GOG and Steam. Adding DRM would make them little more than Steam with less games to pick from.
I agree here. The lack of DRM and their somewhat flawed attempts at curation are the big separating points between GOG and Steam. Adding DRM would make them little more than Steam with less games to pick from.
Albino_Yeti
Member
What? I'm not about to just throw away 100s of games that I've spent hundreds of dollars on just because some racist asshats use Steam too.
BigBoss007
Member
Gaming customers are becoming more and more stupid over the years. Just like Homer Simpson.
fabricated backlash
Member
A game specific forum is more than enough for something like that.
M°°nblade;249038226 said:
We just had a thread about a study on Reddit that showed that active moderation of problem boards does have a positive effect on the community overall. Allowing problem people to fester does not do anything positive for the community.
So sorry, those dipshits are perfectly welcome to run off to their holes, and stop polluting the common areas where people just want to get along.
Racists use the Internet. Do you feel ashamed? If not, shame on you.
legacyzero
Banned
The steam forums are actuall useful though, when they aren't shitty. I like to go there to find tweaking guides. For instance, how to have PUBG run like liquid shit on my PC and other discussion.
Woah, don't bring goofball Homer Simpson into that shit.
There is a floor to his stupidity. You won't see dropping the n-word even after a "heated gaming moment".
Gamers wish they had the decency Homer exhibited.
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Abilidebob
Member
What an incredibly damaging view holy shit. You're acting like one of those publishers that back then stopped developing PC games because "well they're all pirates so who cares?".
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
At least there would be some competition. Who else is able to compete. Microsoft? They haven't learned anything after games for Windows live. Hell they probably don't even give a shit.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I was never attached to Steam. If I can get a game on GOG, Origin, or wherever I would.
I'm getting Divinity OS2 soon maybe, and I see it's on GOG, but I'm not sure if it's like a steam key. Even if it is I also stopped buying steam games directly from steam because of a double purchase (adding money to steam wallet) glitch that happened to me when, funny enough, I bought Divinity OS. I opened a ticket to get that second purchase removed, but they never responded to it, and I cut myself off of dealing with valve when it came to making direct purchases. So far so good. Amazon, sell Steam games, and there are valve cards that I can't buy twice because a page failed to load in their app.
I'm getting Divinity OS2 soon maybe, and I see it's on GOG, but I'm not sure if it's like a steam key. Even if it is I also stopped buying steam games directly from steam because of a double purchase (adding money to steam wallet) glitch that happened to me when, funny enough, I bought Divinity OS. I opened a ticket to get that second purchase removed, but they never responded to it, and I cut myself off of dealing with valve when it came to making direct purchases. So far so good. Amazon, sell Steam games, and there are valve cards that I can't buy twice because a page failed to load in their app.
Sad Affleck
Member
Steam isn't the actual issue. Our society as a whole has gone to shit. Google, Facebook, Apple, Valve, everyone else can ban users all day and police forums with an iron fist, those shitheads will keep appearing. They are present everywhere, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Steam. Everywhere. They feel emboldened and powerful. Steam can't change that.
No but I def wouldn't delete my Steam account over it.
The devs who make the games can't possibly be burdened on moderating this when it's so far from their wheel house and they can just redirect to social media or have a direct communication line.
At least the image of your game isn't linked to Svastika loving Nazis if you use Twitter.
Valve doesn't seem to care so I don't know anyone should either.
Well, ofcourse it has a positive effect on the community overall. That's only because you push the problem to another board / community. Overall, you don't solve anything .
Again, the full burden of moderation is not only on devs (Valve also assigns their own community moderators). I don't think it's unreasonable to ask devs to be the ones doing the main policing of it though. Valve already gives to devs a completely 100% free forum for their game. The devs don't need to waste money hosting it or building it from the ground up.
The only other platform that does that is GOG and those are a lot easier to police, considering GOG has a userbase maybe 5% of Steam, and the number of threads created in a month about one game there is equivalent to like a couple of hours on Steam. Not to mention Steam having several times more games.
fabricated backlash
Member
I really don't care either way honestly. With Valves approach both are absolutely worthless, and just a source of the slime of humanity.
M°°nblade;249039456 said:
And that other board / community is either going to treat the issue or be swarmed.
If they didn't have moderation, they're already a cesspool anyway.
Valve Corporation doesn't seem to do much to deal with the problem.
They have a skeleton crew when they really should have staffed up to deal with it in a more serious manner.
Redirecting people to an article isn't exactly a serious way to treat this kind of problems
They're cheap on it so they reap what they sow.
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In which case Valve needs to give developers more power on who is allowed to participate in their forum. Have access to a global list of offenders, create blocklists, allow developers to add problem users to a moderation list.
What you actually mean by that is 'it isn't my job to confront these people with their extremist and narrow political views because I prefer the comfort of not having to deal with them'.
So racists are fine, as long as they're not on your board. You're basically being a digital 'nimby'.
Abilidebob
Member
Then give the option for the developer to have a discussion forum or not, although even that can be abused by certain devs that don't want users to know what's happening(I can easily see KT games never having forums because of their shitty-was ports). In anyway, those easily accessible by users forums are an incredible source of information and discussion. The downside is that sometimes you get shitnuggets as posters the developer will have to decide if they want to keep this useful tool of the community and increase his/her efforts on moderation or just let it rot.
Before something like Steam forums developers pretty much HAD to have a forum or something else made for their game. If Steam just closes them down you're only putting more work in the back of the developers.
snail_maze
Member
I actually prefer it if Valve remains hands off. I suppose they could scrub the forums of any hateful stuff, but i'd rather have the current sutuation rather than a more closed and curated store
MrFortyFive
Member
It's not a Steam key. You get it directly through GOG and/or Galaxy
amen
some people got this shit wrapped up in their identity and it's been weird ever since
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
M°°nblade;249039896 said:
Tell me. If racists entered any public building and started making a nuisance of themselves?
What do you think would happen? People would sit there and take it? Would they sidle up to these people and go "well actually..."?
No, they would throw out the racists for making a nuisance of themselves.
Natasha_c13
Member
I'm not entirely sure of the benefit of deleting one's Steam account though. Instead, it's better to use your Steam account to actively support causes, games and devs that you agree with and being vocal about them.
I'd rather use Steam as a platform to voice my opinions and vote with my dollar rather than "take my ball and go home".
I'd rather use Steam as a platform to voice my opinions and vote with my dollar rather than "take my ball and go home".
...did you even bother to actually click on the link?
The reported group has been banned. Click on it. " This group has been administratively disabled."
Racist fucks aren't entitled a platform, especially someone else's.M°°nblade;249039896 said:
How is that even debatable?
Again if no one is willing to moderate what's happening there, they're as useless as unmoderated forums devs had before.
For that to have been included inthe article it must have stayed up for a little while.
Regardless they can't expect to moderate their forums with the staff they have anyway which is really the issue at hand.
Offloading moderation to a simple reporting system in the hands of the community doesn't work.
Reddit with its waves of community closure kind of proved that already.
The more care is taken into moderating shit the more we normalize not being an asshole on the internet. That's my perspective, there'll be backlash at first but eventually things will calm down.
Yeah you're right, I guess I've just been taking good moderation for granted not thinking about the surrounding circumstances, like the whole registration dealio. Very good point.
Yeah, I rather worship companies that tries to nickle and dime me in new ways! That's not weird at all!
calavera_jo
Neo Member
Valve is letting their platform's public perception go to shit.
Forsaken82
Member
This sounds like the response of someone who's never used Steam.
How To Spot A Valve Employee In Less Than 3 Pages
M°°nblade;249035456 said:
you do understand Steam is a platform accessible from the whole world (in fact, through something called world wide web)
it's not your local mall
to which police should I report someone from a country that isn't mine being racist in the message board for a polish game in the american platform steam
Community search really sucks for some reason, more than once I had to be directly linked to groups/profiles since they never showed up while searching.
Sad Affleck
Member
You are on a videogame forum that is largely console focused and this is the thing you find the weirdest? Not the expressions of worship and adoration towards CEOs and giant corporate conglomerates? Seriously?
The sad truth. People are just addicted to being angry via both the internet and real life.
I have to admit, this is on point.
Well to be fair you're just making a generalization of his point...
Not saying you're wrong.
GhostTrick
Banned
Yup as I said before, it's not like fanboyism has been a thing since video games and it's weird if the poster never saw the same thing for Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft and with Kaz Hirai, Kimishima or Spencer with memes, gifs even dedicated threads.