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Wii firmware 4.0: SD and SDHC Card menu confirmed! Already Installed HBC is safe!
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Cheesemeister
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Linkup said:
Maybe you missed this part: Even at $5 each, it would take a minimum of $1200 to buy 240 channels.
pakkit said:
Well, it can be a storage solution for both Wii and DSi, and it isn't just used for games, it's also for photos (including those going onto the FujiFilm Print Channel, which have to be higher res than those in the standard photo channel).
There's good reason for me to have as much capacity as possible in my Wii.
But yeah, 16Gb would be adequate
Cheesemeister
Member
gkrykewy said:
32 gig cards should not be a consideration for Wii-exclusive use, as even if all 240 channels are at the 40 meg limit, it'll only take up just over 9 gigs. Really, 1-2 gigs is gravy.
They might increase it slightly, but with games already scraping 400 blocks in size, I really doubt Nintendo would bump it up that much. Keep in mind that there are already non-essential channels that many people have, and you have to have a certain amount of free memory on your Wii to play any games so if a new game took 100 MB (or 800 blocks) you'd have to have 800 blocks freed up on your Wii console.Linkup said:
Cheesemeister said:
I didn't miss it, I just didn't/don't understand why that's important. I'm just not making the connection between the 5$, minimum of $1200, and buying 240 channels. Regardless, a 32gb SD card does seems pointless.
Great news for those waiting for this, which means LostWinds and World of Goo are now playable, conveniently.
Cheesemeister
Member
Linkup said:
The point is, there's no need to increase the channel limit over 240.
it doesn't matter. the game is copied over to the system memory. a faster card might mean the game loads up in 10 seconds instead of 15, but does that really matter? Once the game loads, it is running from system memory so it plays the exact same.loosus said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Linkup said:
The connection is that Cheesemeister is demonstrating just how unlikely people are to need the kind of space they're talking about needing.
Azure Dream
Member
DLC, presuming it will run off the SD cards in the future (Space Invaders' doesn't, and Rock Band 2 won't use the SDHC cards) wouldn't count toward the channel limit, would it?
no. channels are a fictitious thing. If you have a 128MB card or a 32GB card, you still have 240 channels on the menu. Blocks on the other hand are what matter in this case. And being that saves take up blocks and not channels, in theory you could go above the 9.8GB proposed by cheese it you have 240 40MB channels plus additional game saves or DLC.Kulock said:
and for the record, devs CAN use the SDHC cards. However existing disc-based games are SOL. But Space Invaders should for example be able to do like RB2 and GHWT and look for the DLC on the SD card and if it finds it temporarily load it on to the system memory. of course it would require them to update the game and you would have to download the updated version.
Monkeylord
Member
Kulock said:
No because DLC are downloaded files and appear on your Wii system memory as save files, not channels.
Basically, if you go to Memory Management->Wii->Channel Data then anything in there can count towards using up spaces in the SD card/Wii Main menu.
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Vilix
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Considering that Nintendo may come out with a movie and/or music player, and might allow for downloadable games which take up a lot more memory in the future, having more memory will be needed. Remember what we all said when MS said they were including a 20GB HDD in the xbox.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Having tried this, the biggest problem... is that it wasn't done two years ago. Works nice. No longer will I get a new game, give it proper play for a couple weeks, then have to hide it away to make room for the new hotness.
Though the Wii Menu's lack of something like folders is a bit more an issue when there are 20 pages instead of 4. Even something like having the pages be in a 5x4 grid rather than 20x1 might be better. As is, I've got major categories on pages 1/3/5/7/9/11/13, allowing for growth of each category into the next page without needing major reorganization. However, it's a bit of a trek down to the WiiWare games on page 11 and Arcade games on page 13.
EDIT: Also, many times over the years I've heard people wish that at some arbitrary speech or press conference some new feature/game would be announced and people would be informed that it's available NOW. That always seemed a bit overly dramatic to me, but this time it actually happened. Has it happened before?
Though the Wii Menu's lack of something like folders is a bit more an issue when there are 20 pages instead of 4. Even something like having the pages be in a 5x4 grid rather than 20x1 might be better. As is, I've got major categories on pages 1/3/5/7/9/11/13, allowing for growth of each category into the next page without needing major reorganization. However, it's a bit of a trek down to the WiiWare games on page 11 and Arcade games on page 13.
EDIT: Also, many times over the years I've heard people wish that at some arbitrary speech or press conference some new feature/game would be announced and people would be informed that it's available NOW. That always seemed a bit overly dramatic to me, but this time it actually happened. Has it happened before?
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
As far as Nintendo goes: not as far as I know. I guess they took a page from Steve Jobs' playbook.
Throwaway123456789
Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
Sega had a press conference where they were to announce the release date of the Saturn. Everyone, developers as well as press, was thinking it would launch months and months later, but the Sega dude went "Oh, and it's out NOW! Like right now!".
Turns out they had secretly shipped the console out to retailers the day before, and with a super shitty line-up of games internally developed at Sega.
It did not go over well with developers, and the rest, as they say, is history.
Starchasing
Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
Two years ago there wasnt a need for this... there werent that many games out
Starchasing
Member
yes but they didnt need it day one...
Crazymoogle
Member
FoxHimself said:
It didn't help, though, that Sony basically undercut Sega's pricetag at the following press conference at that E3. "Saturn...available now! $399!" loses a bit of luster when their competition comes back with "$299!" a few hours later.
Further hurting the whole deal was that Sega's stock was so low that Sony still had a higher installed base in North America at launch. Sega was left in an awkward position because they had launched early to essentially no benefit.
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
I wish the VC had more/better NeoGeo games avaliable. I might get King of Monsters.
Buttseckslol
Banned
Do those games even support SDHC?Htown said:
Maybe I'm being way too optimistic, but I think the storage solution may get third parties off their butts when it comes to VC releases.Vilix said:
Buttseckslol said:
Excite does not (it was tested by 1 gaffer), nobody has tried GHWT or RB2
I would think out of the 3 at least the 2 rhythm games would only because they already use almost the exact same method for their DLC and its not too hard to imagine they built in the ability to read SDHC alongside a firmware update
It doesn't work this way. Unless those games already had SDHC support from the get go (and if this was the case we'd have reports by now), it can't be added with a firmware update because they would keep using the older IOS they were designed for. This unless the games themselves get patched (and I doubt they can, AFAIK only CoD: WaW supports updates).
The Faceless Master
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a few months ago, they were $150gkrykewy said:
Jocchan said:
Well I do know Rock Band 2 required a special IOS but I think that was more for its instruments. It just seems too coincidental that both GHWT and RB2 use almost the exact same method and yet would not have the framework for SDHC, then again they are dealing with Nintendo and history has not been kind in that regard to them sharing info.
There is a lot of discussion about RB2 over that the Rock Band forums, apparently nobody owns SDHC cards seems to be the conclusion they are reaching :lol
Though some have gotten 4gb SDHC cards to work, some kind of padding that apparently tricks the system or something. But none larger
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
FoxHimself said:
Whoa, now. Let's not go too far. Virtua Fighter and Panzer Dragoon were NOT shitty games, much less super-shitty. At the time they were actually quite awesome. Daytona was also fun at the time but in hindsight was a bad port. BUT you could rip the awesome soundtrack using a standard CD-Rom so I forgave it. The REAL problem was it was MONTHS before any kind of steady stream of games was reached.
But really Saturn for me was mostly about the Capcom 2D goodness. It's why I played it far more than the PSX that gen.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
VC and WiiWare games are channels, too. The only things that can't be moved to the SD card are the few launch-era ones that are made to use the system space we can't access.antispin said:
Wording it this way sounds a bit jackassy, but: If one could do that, then we would have an exploit for 4.0.PSGames said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
In that case we'll probably find it quicker to switch SD cards than to scroll to page 37.Yes Boss! said:
JoshuaJSlone said:In that case we'll probably find it quicker to switch SD cards than to scroll to page 37.
I've a feeling 240 channels is just about perfect for the biggest collectors for a five-year anticipated lifespan. In 2 and 1/2 years I'm not even to half-full but I'm definitely anticipating a ramp-up on Wiiware purchases in the coming two to three years.
That said, I'm only using about a 1 gig of my 2 gig card which makes me wonder why nintendo opened it up to 32.