Wii in 2009 - The official Thread! (wii's best year?)

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TO MODERATORS

This year I decide to make some good changes in this topic, to start with a new layout and others new ideas that I will implement later.

But I have a problem: The other thread research to his limit and the first topic only support 3 more games. For that reason, I start this new thread with 3 posts reserved in the first page for the future updates and things I like to implement. Everything to make that the better thread a Wii owner can see.

Please lock my old thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14227657#post14227657


UPDATES
06/01 - New pic and video of Another code R
07/01 - New game: Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 e new screens of Punch-out!! and Sky Crawlers. New video of Tenchu 4
08/01 - Game up: Tact of Magic. New game: Valhalla Knight, new pic of Tenchu 4, release date of ghostbuster, new video of Mario Tennis
10/01 - new video of We Ski 2. X360 equivalent topic add.
13/01 - Deadly Creatures new Video, Little King Story Video and Screen, We Ski 2 new screen.
14/01 - New Monster Hunter G screen; new Wiiware games: Bit.Trip Beat and Last Flight
15/01 - Monster Hunter G Japan date. New Another Code Video and Pic. New pics from Pikmin and Monter Hunter Tri. New games: Star Wars Battlefront 3, Metroid Prime 1 and Mecho Wars (Wiiware).
17/01 - New The Conduit pic and video
19/01 - New game: Mini Ninjas
20/01 - New screen of Deadly Creatures and a new game: Battle Rage
22/01 - New screen of House of Dead and a New game: Crystal Defenders R1 (wiiware)
23/01 - New game: Pole's Big Adventure (wiiware). New video of The House of Dead Overkill
01/02 - New game: Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings; First video of Phantom Brave, Game up: Boom Blox bash party
02/02 - New videos: Lit, Bit.Trip Beat, MadWorld, Final Fantasy CC:CB
04/02 - New game: Dead Space, First video of N.P.C Metroid Prime 1 and Eduardo the Samurai Toaster (wiiware)
05/02 - Ubi soft release dates for europe, first image and video of TMNT and a new wiiware game: Onslaught
06/02 - New video of Battle Rage and Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. A new game: Adventure Island (wiiware)
01/03 - Dracula removed. Animales de la Muert become a disc game. Dead Space Up, Kizuna first video, Adventure Sland First Screen and new games: Anno, G.I.Joe and Night Game. New official topics.
01/03 - Game up: Ea tennis. New videos: The Conduit and Boom Blox 2. New games: A boy and his blob, Virtual Tennis 2009, Excitebots, The Muchables and Spectrobes.



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Tatsunoko vs Capcom, new arcade fighter. (Viewtiful Joe in 'da house!)

Official Deadly Creatures thread for arachnophobic gamers

IGN Tenchu Shadow Assassins Review - 8.0 "Impressive"

Official House of the Dead: Overkill (Wii) Thread -- It puts the 'hot' in shotgun!


Game that divide Gaf's opinions

Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop Official Thread of Loneliness & Covered Wars, Ya Know


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RELEASE DATES:


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|        U S A                     |         EUROPE                   |            JAPAN                 |
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|                         A  L  R  E  A  D  Y      L  A   U  N  C  H  E  D                               |
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|                                  |                                  | Bleach: Versus Crusade           |
|                                  |                                  | Capcom VS Tatsunoko              |
|                                  |                                  | Fatal Frame 4: M. of the L. E.   |
|                                  |                                  | Klonoa: Door to Phantomile       |
|                                  |                                  | Let's Tap                        |
|                                  |                                  | N.P.C! Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat  |
|                                  |                                  | N.P.C.! Pikmin                   |
|                                  |                                  | Rune Factory Frontier            |
|                                  |                                  | Taiko Drum Master                |
|                                  |                                  | The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces  |
|                                  |                                  | Tenchu 4: Shadow Assassins       |
|                                  |                                  | We Ski: World Ski & Snowboard    |
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|                                      J  A  N  U  A  R  Y                                               |
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|                                  | Little King's Story (30)         | Final Fantasy CC: E. of Time (29)|
|                                  | The House of the Dead: Overkill  | Fragile: F. R. of the Moon   (22)|
|                                  | Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop  | N.P.C! Mario Power Tennis    (15)|
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| deadly creatures (09)            | Blast Works: Build,Fuse & Destroy| Another Code/Trace Memory R (05) |
| Dead Rising: Chop T.Y. Drop(19)  | Deadly Creatures            (13) | Dead Rising: Chop T U Drop  (19) |
| Little King's Story.(17)         | Dead Rising: Chop T.Y. Drop (27) | One Piece UC: Episode 2     (26) |
| Tenchu 4: Shadow Assassins       | Family Ski & Snowboard      (20) | N.P.C! Metroid Prime        (19) |
| The House of the Dead: Overkill  | House of the Dead: Overkill (13) |                                  |
|                                  | Rogue Trooper               (27) |                                  |
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| Broken Sword: Director's Cut     | Mushroom Men: The Spore Wars (06)| Suzumiya Haruhi no Heiretsu  (26)|
| Final Fantasy CC: Echoes of T(24)| Ready 2 Rumble Revolution    (20)| Phantom Brave Wii            (12)|
| Mad World                        | Samurai Shodown Anthology    (28)| Sonic and the Black Knight   (12)|
| N.P.C.! Mario Power Tennis       | Sonic and the Black Knight       | Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Next |
| N.P.C.! Pikmin                   | The King of Fighters Collection  |                                  |
| Rune Factory Frontier-       (17)| Broken Sword: The Director's Cut |                                  |
| Sonic and the Black Knight       |                                  |                                  |
| Vertigo                          |                                  |                                  |
| We Ski: World Ski & Snowboard(17)|                                  |                                  |
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|                                  F  I  R  S  T    Q  U  A  R  T  E  R                                  |
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| Monster Hunter G                 | The Conduit                      |                                  |
| Pro Evolution Soccer 2009        | Wii Sports Resort                |                                  |
| The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces  |                                  |                                  |
| The Conduit                      |                                  |                                  |
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|                                            A  P  R  I  L                                               |
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|                                  |  Tenchu 4: Shadow Assassins (02) | Monster Hunter G (23)            |
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| Ready 2 Rumble: Revolution       |                                  |                                  |
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|                                              J  U  N  E                                                |
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|                                  | Ghostbuster (19)                 |                                  |
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|                                S  E  C  O  N  D    Q  U  A  R  T  E  R                                 |
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| Klonoa: Door to Phantomile       | Klonoa: Door to Phantomile       |                                  |
| Marble Saga: Kororinpa 2         | Marble Saga: Kororinpa 2         |                                  |
| Wii Sports Resort                |                                  |                                  |
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| Muramasa: The Demon Blade        |                                  |                                  |
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|                                        S  E  P  T  E  M  B  E  R                                       |
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| Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles     |                                  |                                  |
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|                                  | Rune Factory Frontier            |                                  |
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|                                         N  O  V  E  M  B  E  R                                         |
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|                                  | Muramasa: The Demon Blade        |                                  |
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| Another Code R / Trace Memory R  | Another Code R / Trace Memory R  | Arc Rise Fantasia                |
| Arc Rise Fantasia                | Arc Rise Fantasia                | BOOM BLOX 2                      |
| Bleach: Versus Crusade           | Bleach: Versus Crusade           | Broken Sword: The Director's Cut |
| BOOM BLOX 2                      | BOOM BLOX 2                      | Colin McRae: DiRT 2              |
| Colin McRae: DiRT 2              |                                  | Cosmic Walker                    |
| Cosmic Walker                    | Colin McRae: DiRT 2              | Cursed Mountain                  |
| Cursed Mountain                  | Cosmic Walker                    | deadly creatures                 |
| Dynamic Slash                    | Cursed Mountain                  | Dynamic Slash                    |
| Endless Ocean 2: Beautiful Ocean | Dynamic Slash                    | Endless Ocean 2: Beautiful Ocean |
| Fatal Frame 4: M.L.E             | Endless Ocean 2: Beautiful Ocean | Final Fantasy CC: Crystal Bearers|
| Final Fantasy CC: Crystal Bearers| Fatal Frame 4: M.L.E             | Ghostbuster                      | 
| Fragile: F. R. of the Moon       | Final Fantasy CC: Crystal Bearers| Guitar Hero: Metallica           |
| Guitar Hero: Metallica           | Final Fantasy CC: Echoes of Time | MadWorld                         |
| Let's Tap                        | Fragile: F. R. of the Moon       | Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2      |
| Lost Magic / Tact of Magic       | Guitar Hero: Metallica           | Mizuguchi's "QJ" (Project name)  |
| Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2      | Let's Tap                        | Monster Hunter 3                 |
| Mizuguchi's "QJ" (Project name)  | Lost Magic / Tact of Magic       | Ougon no Kizuna                  |
| Monster Hunter 3                 | MadWorld                         | Overlord: Dark Legend            | 
| N.P.C.! Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat | Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2      | Phantom Brave Wii                |
| Ougon no Kizuna                  | Mizuguchi's "QJ" (Project name)  | Pikmin 3                         |
| Overlord: Dark Legend            | Monster Hunter 3                 | Pro Evolution Soccer 2009        |
| Phantom Brave Wii                | Monster Hunter G                 | Punch-Out!!                      |
| Pikmin 3                         | N.P.C.! Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat | Ready 2 Rumble: Revolution       |
| Pro Evolution Soccer 2009        | N.P.C.! Mario Power Tennis       | Red Steel 2                      |
| Punch-Out!!                      | N.P.C.! Pikmin                   | Renegade Kid’s Dracula           |
| Red Steel 2                      | Ougon no Kizuna                  | Rogue Trooper                    |
| Renegade Kid’s Dracula           | Overlord: Dark Legend            | Sam and Max: Season 2            |
| Rogue Trooper                    | Phantom Brave Wii                | Secret Files 2 - Puritas Cordis  |
| Sam and Max: Season 2            | Pikmin 3                         | Sin and Punishment 2             |
| Secret Files 2 - Puritas Cordis  | Pro Evolution Soccer 2009        | Spawn Smasher                    |
| Sin and Punishment 2             | Punch-Out!!                      | Tales of Ten                     |
| Spawn Smasher                    | Red Steel 2                      | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles     |
| Taiko Drum Master                | Renegade Kid’s Dracula           | The caling                       |
| Tales of Ten                     |                                  | The Conduit                      |
| Tatsunoko vs Capcom              | Sam and Max: Season 2            | The KORE Gang                    |
| The caling                       | Secret Files 2 - Puritas Cordis  | Tiger Woods 2010                 |
| The KORE Gang                    | Sin and Punishment 2             | Vertigo                          |
| The Melancholy of Haruhi         | Spawn Smasher                    | We Ski: World Ski & Snowboard    |
| Tiger Woods 2010                 | Taiko Drum Master                | Tact of Magic                    |
| Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga     | Tales of Ten                     | Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga     |
| N.P.C! Metroid Prime             | Tatsunoko vs Capcom              | Star Wars: Battlefront III       |
| Star Wars: Battlefront III       | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles     |                                  |
|                                  | The caling                       |                                  |
|                                  | The Conduit                      |                                  |
|                                  | The KORE Gang                    |                                  |
|                                  | The Melancholy of Haruhi         |                                  |
|                                  | The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces  |                                  |
|                                  | Tiger Woods 2010                 |                                  |
|                                  | Vertigo                          |                                  |
|                                  | Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga     |                                  |
|                                  | N.P.C! Metroid Prime             |                                  |
|                                  | Star Wars: Battlefront III       |                                  |
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|                                         Dragon Quest X                                                 |
|                                No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle                                      |
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PS3 EQUIVALENT TOPIC - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343133
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360 EQUIVALENT TOPIC - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348317
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Before star this thread, is good to now a little more what you can play on Wii. If you are a new Wii owner or you don't give much attention to your Wii, is good know a list of recommended games in various and different genres to help you choose well where spend your time and money. It's hard list all good games from a console, but I believe that Stumpokapow make a good job putting some of the most significant games is this list. Check it below:

It's a really good list. And if you want more promising games, look further the list below:
 

hemtae

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last post in that thread:

CaVaYeRo said:
This year I decide to make some good changes in this topic, to start with a new layout and others new ideas that I will implement later.

But I have a problem: This thread research to his limit and the first topic only support 3 more games. For that reason, I will start a new thread with 3 posts reserved in the first page for the future updates and things I like to implement. Everything to make that the better thread a Wii owner can see.


Moderators, please, Lock this thread, I will make a new one soon.
and besides, the OP is the same person
 

Shiggy

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Also coming:
New Play Control! Metroid Prime
New Play Control! Metroid Prime 2
Captain Rainbow (Europe at least?)

And I'm surprised that there are several Nintendo colloboration that enter their third year in production now.
Untitled 'Monster Games' Nintendo project (F-Zero ^^)
Untitled 'Fuse Games' Nintendo project
Untitled 'Headstrong Games' Nintendo project
Untitled NST project
Untitled 'Retro Studios' project (Zelda ^^)

And The Conduit is coming in Q2 due to Motion+ (at least in Europe).
 

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Linkhero1 said:
:lol

Edit: Why is TvC on that list? There has been no confirmation of it ever leaving Japan yet.
It's sad to see some of the mistakes from the old thread in these images.

Most notably, Fatal Frame 4 has no announced US release, and definitely doesn't have one from Nintendo.

See this post in the old thread for one addition and some other corrections that haven't been made.
 

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Why is Nintendo releasing those New Play Control titles in March when there's actually other games worth playing coming out that month? Should bump that shit up to January or February.
 

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ZAK said:
Why does LKS have a date but is still only listed under TBA? Is that a Japan date or something?
Fixed.


leroy hacker said:
It's sad to see some of the mistakes from the old thread in these images.

Most notably, besides the other games mentioned, Fatal Frame 4 has no announced US release.
I will fix the errors, but I need help to localize then.

I maintain Fatal Frame 4 and Tatsunoko in this thread because the companies that make this games say they want to launch this games in USA.
 

Shiggy

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John Dunbar said:
Why is Nintendo releasing those New Play Control titles in March when there's actually other games worth playing coming out that month? Should bump that shit up to January or February.
Remember, it's the same Nintendo that tried to hinder Ubisoft from releasing Rayman Raving Rabbits 2 because they feared it would have an impact on SMG sales.
 

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BDGAME said:
Yes. All released dates in this topic are US released dates.
If thats true why does Sky Crawlers have a q1 2009 release date, I've heard nothing on the gamer being localized. Also wherr did Muramasa july release date come from. NP lists Arc Rise Fantasia as a spring release. And we really don't know if Pikmin 3 is coming out this year- I hope so, but still... NOA Q1 PR listed Feb. 17th as release date for Little King's Story-so....
 

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It's going to be tough to beat 2007, but there are definitely some games that I am anticipating greatly. In particular, Punch-Out 3, Sin & Punishment 2, Pikmin 3, Wii Sports Resort, and Muramasa all look like winners.
 

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Wow, you must have worked really hard on this, great job! So much awesome coming up for Wii this year!:D
 

batbeg

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Want more information on Takt of Magic so desperately :( I've seen nothing of it since it was shown in the product reel for 2009 :(
 

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To moderation:

Maybe we can make this as a sticky topic on the top? and maybe the other topics too?
 

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great thread... broken sword is missing an 'n'... and are the broken sword games any good? anyone?
 

batbeg

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Gallagher said:
To moderation:

Maybe we can make this as a sticky topic on the top? and maybe the other topics too?
Oh Jesus no. These threads get enough trolling and shitbrained comments as it is, I don't want them stuck on the top :(
 

BDGAME

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Zihark said:
If thats true why does Sky Crawlers have a q1 2009 release date, I've heard nothing on the gamer being localized. Also wherr did Muramasa july release date come from. NP lists Arc Rise Fantasia as a spring release. And we really don't know if Pikmin 3 is coming out this year- I hope so, but still... NOA Q1 PR listed Feb. 17th as release date for Little King's Story-so....
The last time I researcher, I found that. Sorry if i found wrong informations. I will research again and make the corrections in this dates.
 

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Yeah, there's a lot of typos. I'm assuming they'll be fixed in short order, but it does look a bit sloppy.
 

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It'll be a good year, but let's face it, Nintendo needs to support the Wii with more games. There are some good third party titles coming out, but the centerpiece of any Nintendo console is the selection of first party games. So far there are some pretty good ones like Punch Out, Wii Sports Resort and Pikmin 3 (if that's even coming out this year), but we need more. It doesn't even have to be Mario or Zelda, we still need an F-Zero, Donkey Kong and Star Fox game. Top those off with a decent online Mario Party game and the rumored Kid Icarus game and it'll be a pretty good year for the Wii.
 

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Hot diggity damn, amazing lineup and I'm sure there are a few big'uns yet to be announced for 09. Can't wait for Wii Sports resort :D
 

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I've been saying it for a month or two. 2009 is going to be a big year for the Wii not only in the number of quality games but in the number of high profile announcements. The Wii will never be my primary console but as a secondary console, all I need is 8-10 games a year that interest me and it looks like I'll definitely get at least that many for 2009. I particularly like the over-the-top/Quentin Tarantino vibe that some of the Wii games have (i.e. Mad World, House of the Dead: Overkill, Dead Rising: Chop till you drop, etc.). The games like the Conduit and Tenchu interest me much less. If I want a visually stimulating FPS or a Stealth-Action game I'll go to my PS3 or PC. However stuff like Mad World, No More Heroes, Boom Blox, House of the Dead: Overkill are unique to the Wii.
 

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Why does Kore Gang look so...competent? It almost has a sort of Rayman 2-ish look to it. Or dare I say: Psychonautsy?
 

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really nice OP. I'm looking forward to many of these games, even though none will likely top brawl for me.
 

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so1337 said:
Why does Kore Gang look so...competent? It almost has a sort of Rayman 2-ish look to it. Or dare I say: Psychonautsy?
It really does show a lot of promise. The screenshot really sticks out. I'm keeping my eyes open for that one.

This list for 2009 isn't bad at all. Good variety; many different-looking games.

Is Wii Sports Resort officially a Q2 release, that is, between April and June? I thought that was due for February?
 

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Great list! But how am I gonna afford all those awesome games? Also, it's "Punch-Out!!" with two !!'s, and it's not a "Figther".
 

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nice thread, but it feels a bit cluttered. maybe make the screens a bit smaller and sorted on genre ? Right now its kind of hard to get a nice overview if you're looking for a specific type of game.
 

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Well formatted. I like the list at the start. I hate having to scroll through picture after picture just to find the next game in other threads.

Just a note though, "Release Dates" is spelt wrong at the start of the OP.
 

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A lot of work, bravo, but it's sooo annoying that despite all the suggestions from the previous thread you still keep games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom and Sky Crawlers when there's not even a slight suggestion those games are actually coming, let alone as TBA 2009.