Wii U Buyer's remorse thread

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Well, I think it's finally official. I hate to admit it, but if I had the chance to do it all over again, I probably would not have dropped $600+ on the Wii U and 6 games over the last month.

I bought into the hype. First HD Nintendo console. Asymmetric gameplay. Off-TV play. First next-gen system. Online intensive. The list goes on. But I can't help but feel like the whole experience has left a sour taste in my mouth.

Perhaps I was expecting too much. But the following realities and frustrations are starting to set in for me:

Shitty ports. Initially I bought into all the excuses, mostly along the lines of developers not dedicating enough time and effort into a system without an established userbase to justify the costs of a true (or dare I say superior?) port. We were led to believe, or perhaps assumed (and rightly so), that seeing as how the system is 6-7 years (6-7 YEARS) newer than PS360, at the least devs would be able to just up the res to 1080p AT LEAST and do nothing else, and the power of a brand new $350 system would be enough to handle it no problem. But that's not the case. Not only that, but the exact opposite is true as we've seen countless comparison articles (Digital Foundry, etc.) proving otherwise.

It especially stings when you got Fils Aime on TV talking about how superior Wii U's ports are and how stellar the graphics are. He is either a liar or he is delusional. There are a few exceptions (Trine 2 for example). I don't know whose fault it is, whether it's Nintendo's or developers/publishers, and I don't care. The bottom line is regardless of any excuse, we are left with just that - excuses and shitty ports.

Slow UI / Lockups. WTF is going on here. 30+ seconds to go into settings? To go into the Eshop? To do anything? This is totally unacceptable and leaves an extremely poor first impression for your shiny new system. It's 2012 for god's sake. I want streamlined, quick shit with fancy fade-ins and outs when I click on a menu item. With no delay other than whatever graphic you use to transition to my selection. I don't want to look at a wrench for 30 seconds when I go to change my wifi settings because the system doesn't like my wifi for some reason. And fix the lockups. This isn't a port issue either. My lockup happened when I clicked to go into MiiVerse. I had to unplug it overnight for it to start up again. It pains me to admit that now looking back I almost wish it bricked so I could have taken the god damn thing back.

Barren 2013 releases. Nintendo really dropped the ball here. They'd better have some serious heavyweights come fall or they are fucked. Look at the competition: God of War, Gears of War, Watch Dogs, Metal Gear, Tomb Raider, Bioshock, Dead Space, the Last of Us. I mean, those are some heavy hitters. And what does Nintendo have? There is one game I know I want to get in 2013 for the Wii U so far: Pikmin 3. And even that game was supposed to be a 'launch window' title. I thought when I preordered my system I'd be picking it up along with the system. Now who knows when it will come out. 2Q13? They better hope so. Sure we got Wonderful 101 which looks sweet but but come on. That game is going to sell zero systems. I will give them Bayonetta 2. That is a step in the right direction. But that's barely scratching the surface of what needs to happen.

Why did Nintendo release their system early if they aren't even going to take advantage of this critical window they have? This is crunch time right now. If they can't come out swinging now they are doomed. RIGHT NOW is when they should be busting out the Metroids, the Zeldas, the Smash Bros. or at least within the next year with confirmed release dates and footage and details. They needed to release all their major franchises in year one and give themselves a fighting chance, establish a strong userbase, and get other pubs on board with some real ports and established franchises. Nintendoids are falling over themselves to see the next Nintendo Direct praying for some amazing reveal and it's some bullshit like NSMB2 DLC. Come on man, seriously.

This goes back to the first point as well. I was wrong initially, because I assumed that because of the 2nd screen most ports would be better by default because it enables new experiences, UI improvements, etc. But when I read that Kotaku (I think) article with the 20ish devs commenting on Wii U ports, one of the devs commented on why some game wasn't coming to Wii U, and made me realize: Because of the 2nd screen functionality, ports are more difficult, take more time, and cost more money. They have to change how the game works. Not like it is with PC/PS360. And that is not a good recipe to get a lot of ports of big games.



Anyway there's more stuff to nitpick but I'm sick of shitting on the Wii U. There are good things about the system as well. MiiVerse is awesome. The gamepad is awesome. Etc. But that's not what this thread is about.

I love Nintendo. But it's because of my love that I feel compelled to express my disappointment up to this point. I feel like I'm watching them from afar in slow motion, and to me it seems so clear that they are taking misstep after misstep. We as fans have an obligation to make clear that things are not going well for them. Pikmin 3 the only major Nintendo release in 1st half 2013 is NOT ACCEPTABLE. That's not going to get the job done, period. They want to sell 6 million consoles by then. Honestly I will be extremely surprised if that happens.

Hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully devs figure the system out and can bring some truly amazing games out. Maybe we'll get a ton badass games and we'll all be happy campers. Maybe when Nintendo releases the WiiTV update it will fix all the UI problems. I just hope these things happen sooner than later. Anything after fall 2013 and it's too late.
 

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#2
AKA : Launch period is a launch period.

I've had the utter reverse for the second time with a Nintendo machine (3ds) - went in expecting MEH, came away more than happy with what i got.

That said - i'm not in this for the ports from X360/PS3 - i have those machines so they aren't of importance and unless a port -outclasses- the X360/PS3 significantly i'll likely stay on those machines for my 3rd party titles.

But hey - things are a bit sluggish and could be better, some of the UI choices are a bit lacking, but what is there that works well is -very- good. Miiverse is -oustanding- in its simplicity and usability, Nintendoland is way more fun than it has any right to be, everything is pick-up-and-play able.

However, WiiU is in for a rough 4-5 months or so waiting for titles to come (especially here in Japan where we already have MH) and i BET we get to "Vita/3DS" levels of DOOOOM during those times. It's a launch - people just need to relax.
 
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Kept my expectations pretty low, went into the Wii U generation not expecting anything more than another "Wii" - only with maybe slightly less of a focus on causal gaming.
The one thing I am a bit disappointing in are the crazy loading times.
It's just such a massive disappointment after all their focus on keeping loading times down in previous systems.
 
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Anyone who buys a Nintendo console expecting the same third party support as the other two consoles gets what they deserve at this point.

You buy it for Nintendo and the few third party exclusives it will get.
 

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I liked my experience, but I don't think I'm anticipating a single announced game. Maybe Wonderful 101, but not greatly so. Bayo 2.. well sort of. In retrospect I could have waited :p
 
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I don't regret it. Mostly because the hardware feels so well made. Miiverse is very ingenious. So much that I feel like Sony and Microsoft will definitely incorporate some aspect of it into their next systems.

Software is always dry at launch and Nintendo has that policy to not announce games on the horizon until at least 6 months before release.

I do wish they fixed the slow OS though. I think there are too many transition animations for its own good and I'd just really prefer something quick even if it's not the prettiest thing.
 
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Anyone who buys a Nintendo console expecting the same third party support as the other two consoles gets what they deserve at this point.

You buy it for Nintendo and the few third party exclusives it will get.
To be fair, I remember Nintendo making a big deal about courting third parties and not making the mistake they made with the Wii.
 
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Sorry you don't like it bud. Im loving it. Each to their own eh....

Miiverse, browser, zombiu, nsmbu, thine 2, nano assault, mighty switch force.....awesome console
 

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To be fair, I remember Nintendo making a big deal about courting third parties and not making the mistake they made with the Wii.
I think people way overestimated that kind of statement. I think they were just touting the fact that with a normal control method, and a relatively comparable level of hardware, it would get far more third party (ports) than something like Wii.

But everyone was like "oh it's going to be a hardcore machine with all the major third party support!" and I never for a second bought it.

It's more like Gamecube. If you'll remember, it used to get a ton of the multiplatform releases that Xbox and PS2 did (until they started to sell like shit....)
 
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Off TV play is now going to be a standard expectation, and Miiverse is sublime. The loads need to get faster, and we need to see some software.

But don't despair, just grab a drink and chill to the Nintendoland plaza music in 8-bit at night. You'll feel all better.
 
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Anyone who buys a Nintendo console expecting the same third party support as the other two consoles gets what they deserve at this point.

You buy it for Nintendo and the few third party exclusives it will get.
I don't understand why people don't expect a lot from their machines they just paid $350 for. If you don't expect something decent, they won't deliver anything decent.
 
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Yeah I mean I laid it on pretty thick. In the end the big games will come out and I'm sure they'll be great. I guess to me it's just more concern for Nintendo and the Wii U's overall success. I just don't see it happening to the extent they want it to the way things are going right now.
 
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Yeah I mean I laid it on pretty thick. In the end the big games will come out and I'm sure they'll be great. I guess to me it's just more concern for Nintendo and the Wii U's overall success. I just don't see it happening to the extent they want it to the way things are going right now.
On the bright side, if things get really bad you might get some nice ambassador stuff.
 

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If the OS is as slow as lots of people are saying it is, it blows my mind that Nintendo might've noticed it and let it out the door.
It's not like an erratic, buggy slowness though. It's a consistent slow, even as it is quite "solid".... so someone with low expectations for load times might think it was just fine (like those in the bubble at Nintendo Co Ltd. in Japan).
 
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I think people way overestimated that kind of statement. I think they were just touting the fact that with a normal control method, and a relatively comparable level of hardware, it would get far more third party (ports) than something like Wii.

But everyone was like "oh it's going to be a hardcore machine with all the major third party support!" and I never for a second bought it.

It's more like Gamecube. If you'll remember, it used to get a ton of the multiplatform releases that Xbox and PS2 did (until they started to sell like shit....)
Weren't there comments made by Reggie specifically saying they were going after third party support to attract the hardcore gamer?
 
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Anyone who buys a Nintendo console expecting the same third party support as the other two consoles gets what they deserve at this point.

You buy it for Nintendo and the few third party exclusives it will get.
Agreed. Also I've been plenty surprised how awesome and fun the Miiverse is (which I'm hoping gets brought over to the 3DS spring of 2013).

But one thing that I can't shake out of my head despite how much I love the system as a whole are its atrocious load times.
 
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I havent yet opened mine, and I got it as a gift, but I still fail to see how I will USE the thing, let alone get the $300-400 dollar worth out of it.

Playing with my friends just gives me the impression that the pad screen is very, very shitty and NSMBU is great fun.
 
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Launch buyers = Beta testers. Don't buy consoles at launch if you're not willing to deal with a limited selection of games and some kinks in the system. I'm very confident that (like the 3ds) things will have turned around by its second holiday. Probably be cheaper too.
 

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Weren't there comments made by Reggie specifically saying they were going after third party support to attract the hardcore gamer?
"Hardcore gamer", coming from a Nintendo perspective, means not WiiFit, Brain Training and Nintendogs.

It means getting ports of Assassin's Creed and CoD and other experiences that always go to PS360 and PC anyway.

It just means a parity situation with other consoles. To be unlike the Wii situation... Nothing more than that.
 
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Anyone who buys a Nintendo console expecting the same third party support as the other two consoles gets what they deserve at this point.

You buy it for Nintendo and the few third party exclusives it will get.
Man I can understand this for a $170 3DS or a $200 Wii, but $350 seems like a lot to play another NSMB game and another Zelda game.
 
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What hype was there to buy into? I knew exactly what I was getting when I bought one. It has lived up to my low expectations. The single player experience sucks but 5 people and nintendoland is magical. It even has my fiance playing video games, a feat i never thought possible. Mission accomplished.
 
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Welcome to a console launch. I assure you everything you're describing is par for the course regardless of manufacturer. Shortly after launch droughts, half baked software, poor quality ports and limited initial choices? Yep. I can't think of a single system that's been any different.

That said, I <3 my Wii U and I'm quite certain I'll get my money's worth and then some out of it.