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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!
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bg, do you still stand with your Wii U = PS2 of next gen where the Wii U is noticeably the weakest but is still able to get downports of the other two consoles?
Android 4.1 OS confirmed!! j/k, but wasn't there some rumour in the last year that said Wii U would run Android and have all those apps at launch? Maybe that's the final KO to get everyone on board.
evilromero
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Exactly. Would love a Metroid trailer for Thursday. I think Retro could pull off a great third person Metroid game.
Christberg
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Problem is, what just leaked tells us basically nothing. Without clock speeds or cache sizes the CPU data means nothing. Without clock speed, bus width, number of ROPs and SPU count we can't guess the GPU speed either. The only meaningful piece of data is that it has 1GB of RAM. We already pretty much knew that.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I don't, no.
Fourth Storm
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The only thing new about this leak is confirmation of the CPU codename and that it's related to Broadway. Pretty much everything else goes off the earlier specs leak except clarification of the eDRAM as an accessible MEM1.
andthebeatgoeson
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Nor does it mean these are official. Maybe it is but that statement just seems to reiterate that the rumor is out. Either way, hoping for 50% rate of 3rd party ports.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I guess this means that Nintendo is really "hard cor" now.
It is entirely possible to have a chip that uses the same architecture with a pretty different microarchitecture. My Phenom II runs code made for the original, decade-plus-old 32-bit Athlon. In the same manner, it could be said that the cpu is "Multiple beefed up Athlon cores at a higher clock", even if that description is a bit disingenuous.
So Nintendo could have had custom designed a multithreaded core that simply kept the ISA of the Broadway (or a superset thereof), so they get the benefit of full backwards compatibility (without having to deal with emulation) but much higher performance, in terms of both IPC and total vroom.
That's a nice, sensible way of putting it. I don't think it's impossible that that's what the CPU is, it's just the description and it's apparent source that seem odd. Thats why it would be unusual to have come from warioworld, which is nintendos own developer portal. The only people that would know for sure if that's how Nintendo had designed the CPU, is Nintendo themselves. And I don't think theyd describe it like that to developers. It may well be a suped-up broadway, but I think it's a more likely a description based on a developers experience, rather than an literal description.
Still, a ~3Ghz tri core is what I was expecting, so that fits sort of, assuming a broadway chip can go that high? And can broadway support multi threading?
Another note, When Espresso was posting these exact rumours a while ago, someone made the point that a broadway with multi-threading and edram and OoOE - is no longer really a broadway CPU
Edit: ALSO! Worth noting that BG, who seemingly also had this same info, was advocating a CPU with two broadway-esque cores and one Power7 derived core as a possibility. So I don't think people should be losing their shit over the '3x broadway cores' quote.
*reads my post again* It's me isn't it. I'm the one losing my shit...
Well, no, indications are that Sony and Microsoft are going for powerful consoles once again. The thing is, that most games that gen were primarily developed for the PS2, so a lot of ports didn't make full use of the Xbox's strong capabilities. Maybe low-end PC settings to high-end is a better analogy. This is only repeating months old tidbits though.
ScreenSplitter
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I hope Component cables output in 720p for WiiU. The HDMI port on my TV has bust and I can't afford a new one right now :\
Shin Johnpv
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There's no reason they shouldn't be able to do.
Component can handle 1080p, so it should have no issue with 720p.
ScreenSplitter
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That's reassuring. Obviously will get a new TV at some point but I'd rather spend it on Wii U games!
GameplayWhore
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One thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo will be going for profitability at $250-300. For Sony and Microsoft, "not going the power route" can still mean taking a modest loss at $350-400 (that is to say, a system whose total cost to build could be half again or more as high as the Wii U's), which could still yield a substantial performance difference, even if the difference in release time frame were not taken into account.
That's a nice, sensible way of putting it. I don't think it's impossible that that's what the CPU is, it's just the description and it's apparent source that seem odd. Thats why it would be unusual to have come from warioworld, which is nintendos own developer portal. The only people that would know for sure if that's how Nintendo had designed the CPU, is Nintendo themselves. And I don't think theyd describe it like that to developers. It may well be a suped-up broadway, but I think it's a more likely a description based on a developers experience, rather than an literal description.
Still, a ~3Ghz tri core is what I was expecting, so that fits sort of, assuming a broadway chip can go that high? And can broadway support multi threading?
Another note, When Espresso was posting these exact rumours a while ago, someone made the point that a broadway with multi-threading and edram and OoOE - is no longer really a broadway CPU
Edit: ALSO! Worth noting that BG, who seemingly also had this same info, was advocating a CPU with two broadway-esque cores and one Power7 derived core as a possibility. So I don't think people should be losing their shit over the '3x broadway cores' quote.
*reads my post again* It's me isn't it. I'm the one losing my shit...
No, it does not. But it does support Symmetrical Multi-Processing, which may or may not be as good. Depends on the situation apparently.
Not sure if already posted, Nintendo Directs announced for Europe and Austrilia during the Thursday event
http://www.nintendo.com.au/nintendodirect/
http://www.nintendo.com.au/nintendodirect/
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I used to run my ps3 over (my ps2's) components, after using them earlier to do 1080i on the ps2. So I would not worry about that. You'd be surprised how little digital signalling gives over good old component when it comes to sheer picture quality of up to 1080p@30.
I think that its just this spec rumor is in line with his educated prediction, so he's just giving credence to the claim.
yup already covered a few pages ago.
dagnabbit!, been on board all morning and no one has mentioned it. anyways, does NA get anything or do we just watch the EU direct?
ScreenSplitter
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Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Thanks for the summary. Too bad for me that the conference couldn't have been last week. Will have to sneak peeks about the news on my mobile. Interesting that Nintendo is having it during work hours, when only the unemployed can see it live. Perhaps this is a hint that they are going to price it low, $250 or less?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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What are the times for all the confrences est? And links? Im pretty lost today with all the news.
erm did you miss that there's the Sep 13 media event in NY?
At the very least there'll be liveblogs, I would also expect a live stream of Reggie's stage presentation.
oh man, 10 AM EST! (for the NY thing and the EU ND)
If it wasn't during work hours then Iwata would have to pay Reggie overtime.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Just got this via email. Hype rising.
http://mailing.nintendo-europe.com/public/read_message.jsp;jsessionid=0;apw17?sigreq=1961431040
http://mailing.nintendo-europe.com/public/read_message.jsp;jsessionid=0;apw17?sigreq=1961431040
Mihael Mello Keehl
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All of them the same? Is EU the same as AU?
Hmm it won't load for me.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yeah the one on Thursday. Some posters have said Reggie's presentation will probably be that long while the rest (5 hours) will just be for the press, demos, etc.
well yeah, thats what we are talking about, the NYC media event, yet I do not live in NY and there is no NA Direct or stream announced as far as I know.
bgassassin
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I agree. Though I would like to see all shaders programmable for dev flexibility. The clock for the CPU would most likely be 1800Mhz or 2400Mhz in that case.
I was wondering when you would show up to "poopoo" on the that.
Yes. Wii U would not be able to do Samaritan 1:1 at 720p.
Yes. These (vague) specs are a part of the basis for my view. The other part being how the other two are shaping up.
For some reason I was thinking gDDR3 stopped at 1Gb. I just found a PDF on the 1Gb version and Samsung has gDDR3-2400 (assuming the same for 2Gb). It could still be used even if the GPU were 600Mhz.
Oh I'm not saying you can't assume that. I'm taking it from the perspective of Nintendo being Nintendo and possibly overcompensating for the non-gaming functions. And for there to be an option of 1.5GB for games, I'm working under the idea that 2GB is the total amount and they had to decide how much early on would be dedicated to the non-gaming features. And at least for now they decided on 1GB/1GB for gaming and non-gaming.
I'm not just talking about the stacking, but the usage of TSMC as well. Like I mentioned the stacking could be hypothetical, but the usage of TSMC could be true and was used for the hypothetical talk on how the stacking would be handled between foundries.
No, they're legit. My educated prediction has come from using them as a basis (including other info I could dig up) since the original target specs first came out.
How would he confirm them as legit? The guy has zero actual information.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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So whats the deal is everyone just saying eff the nyc event and just watch the EU ND or what?
bgassassin
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And you know that because?
Because if you had actual information you wouldn't need to speculate endlessly.
Edit: It's pretty simple really, you are either a licensed Nintendo developer with access to actual specs and a devkit or you aren't, and it seems pretty clear that you aren't.
If there is no video stream of the NYC event, then why not? Can watch that and also have a liveblog up of the NYC event. I dont see why there wouldn't be some stream or NYC Nintendo Direct though.
Hey BG, could you go into what these leaked specs mean in regard to all that GP/GPU talk that was going on a couple months ago? Weren't you and others saying a good GP/GPU would alleviate some of the pressure off of a weaker CPU?
Does the leaked specs still say that?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
The NYC event hasn't been confirmed to be streaming anywhere yet (except for the Nintendo Store, that is.)
Nintendo Direct has.
Spieler Eins
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Well, EU Direct will not have a price announced, for one.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Wouldn't he need to have all the actual information in order not to speculate endlessly?
You don't want the people leaking the good stuff to lose their jobs do you?
Silent_Ocarina
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Hmm. I took a screenshot.
I like the blue Nintendo Direct logo. The last time that happened, we got a great Pre-E3 Nintendo Direct.
It's still uncertain whether or not the US event will be live streamed. If I didn't have class, I would probably have a live blog on the US event open as well as Europe's Nintendo Direct. However, both will likely show the same thing. The only difference might be pricing and dates.
bgassassin
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I speculate endlessly because Nintendo is not giving full details. What you are seeing is what Nintendo is giving devs. (Beaten by blu)
But to keep this discussion from extending needlessly.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41461225&postcount=377
These are a summarized version of the final specs. They wouldn't have any affect on previous talk.
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