Yeah, the WiiU's stance isnt going to change even if it starts selling well. Its life cycle is very clear.
But some people like drama, and numbers bring that to the boards.
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Wii U US November Sales Estimated at 149K by Pachter
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Yeah, the WiiU's stance isnt going to change even if it starts selling well. Its life cycle is very clear.
But some people like drama, and numbers bring that to the boards.
JinjoUnchained
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Or, it could be that some people genuinely don't like dual analog. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have the option to control the camera, but give me a great auto-camera over dual analog any day. Constantly fussing with the camera all of the time breaks immersion, IMO; it doesn't feel like you are in the game world, but rather that you are a directing a movie of what's going on in the world. It would be nice if the 3DS had a second circle pad as an option, but it's in no way necessary for portable games.
You raise a good point, too, that when a product isn't doing well, everyone attributes its' struggles to their personal bete noir: i.e. "Vita's struggles prove that it needs anime dating sims to be successful". It's always nice to see struggling products turn around just to silence all of the backseat drivers.
WonkyPanda
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That or the initial PS2 to PS3 may have been rather jarring as well.
I made the present purchase because I really wanted to play 3D Worlds. The console's future value for me will be determined by the quality of Smash WiiU. Seeing as how I don't see Nintendo dropping the price anytime soon, I figured I may as well get it now. To analyze the game proper would require me to have my own console.
Impossible to say when the thing's only a year old, but by percentage it almost certainly will be. (Assuming you mean major consoles only and assuming I'm not forgetting anything.)
Sony's drop of 150m PS2s to 80m PS3s may end up rivalling it in terms of sheer numbers of units 'lost' if they can find a way to shift 30m WiiUs. If you follow these threads though you already know how unlikely that is.
Vyse The Legend
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Things that would cause epic meltdowns:
1. XBONE outsold PS4.
2. Microsoft at parity with PS4.
3. PS4 dwarfs XBONE, 2:1 or greater.
4. Nintendo rallies, and sells better than expected.
5. Nintendo bombas in a large way (sub-360/PS3 numbers).
1. XBONE outsold PS4.
2. Microsoft at parity with PS4.
3. PS4 dwarfs XBONE, 2:1 or greater.
4. Nintendo rallies, and sells better than expected.
5. Nintendo bombas in a large way (sub-360/PS3 numbers).
Huh? That would be a given under any scenario. The 360 and PS3 are the cheapest they have ever been and it's the holiday season.
The Hermit
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Hold me gaf, I don't think I can take it
RobFox64tm
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If the first thing came true, I wouldn't know what to think anymore.
As to #5, does anyone in their right mind think the Wii U outsold the PS3 or 360?
I don't see why people would melt down if the XB1 was at parity with PS4. We already know they're selling like crazy around the world, and that they've sold 2 million. The anecdotes most of us have heard support those sales claims.
It's possible that Sony have had a weak second shipment allowing MS to catch up. Very unlikely, but possible. Until these things are not at all supply constrained there's really no reason to freak out or melt down over their sales.
The Nintendo thing, though... guaranteed meltdowns.
Vyse The Legend
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So whatever happens, either way there are going to be meltdowns.
Unless they all do well, and sell the same exact number of units each.
I imagine Pachter is probably pretty close. With Wii U numbers, I've learned to take what I would expect and then cut it in half. I wouldn't be shocked if the real number was lower than Pachter's prediction. I doubt Mario sold under 100,000 but who knows? That may very well be the case. I would imagine it outsold the Wii U for the month, though.
So what you are implying here is that there will be epic meltdowns :lol
kidfresh718
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When can we expect the numbers.. What time?
elrechazado
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Read the Xbox sales thread, populated by Sony reality deniers claiming ms is lying about sales if you don't believe there would be meltdowns.
There will be blood.
I'm pretty sure everything that's not 3DS will sell worse than those.
But unlike the Wii U it'll be temporary. Hiiioooooo
Vyse The Legend
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Actually, the anecdotal evidence suggests that PS4 is supply constrained, but the XBONE is not. So, the scenario (Sony giving MS time to close the gap) you outlined is very likely, not unlikely. Both are in-demand, but right now, it's significantly easier to get a XBONE in the US. A PS4 is next to impossible. Whether that's due to demand levels or supply levels, no one knows.
Randolph Freelander
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I think 3D World is going to sell fairly well to current Wii U owners. The problem is there aren't that many of them. Still, I would be surprised if it doesn't pull in 300,000, 400,000 in sales. If it is anything like you fear, Nintendo might as well pack it up and never release another game on that system. If Mario can't sell, forget it. Maybe push Smash and Kart out the door if they're close to finished, but otherwise? Tap out.
But again, I don't think that's going to be the case. 3DW will do at least 300K. That's my lowest possible acceptable number.
AstroNut325
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What I don't get is the need for NPD anymore. All three consoles require an internet connection at some point. Nintendo, MS and Sony all know how many consoles have been "activated" within seconds of it happening and in what region. I'm pretty sure all three companies know their exact standing in sales +/-5% at any given time. Just wish there was a way to tap into that!
Randolph Freelander
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The sales battle to watch is Wii U vs. Vita. It's like PS3 vs. GBA from yesteryear.
Well the Wii itself kind of died off in the last year because of very little support from Nintendo. That has always been Nintendo's biggest problem, gaming droughts. I am actually surprised they have survived as long as they have in the console industry. Many people legitimately thought Gamecube was the end. Looks like the response to the Wii U disaster will be another make or break moment for them.
gamergirly
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I wouldn't go that far. 360s and PS3s were available everywhere. Only PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U were sold out at most stores
Pop-O-Matic
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I'm pretty sure that neither the Wii U or PS4 require an internet connection at any point, and there was that statistic a while back about how 20 million 360 owners never connect to the internet, so I don't think it would give us an accurate number.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Vita starts to outsell the Wii U if Nintendo doesn't do something quick to change things (if what they did the last month didn't do it already). With more people getting the PS4, and seeing how well it works with the Vita, it could really help to turn around the Vita numbers something quick.
Vyse The Legend
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You assume every person that buys one connects it online. That's not the case -- although the XBONE and PS4 both required a day one update.
Also, some that were sold were scalped online or saved for Christmas gifts, so they remain unconnected.
HamPster PamPster
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The Wii U is going to sell poorly, but I'm wondering if it sells so poorly that Ubisoft and whoever is left finally drops what little support is remaining. At 149k in November I wouldn't be surprised to see Watch Dogs U delayed and then quietly cancelled. Target didn't even stock AC4 for the Wii U if I remember correctly. Whats the point of releasing a game if no one stocks it. 2014 retail could be nothing but Nintendo and Lego games
On the bright side the less the Wii U sells the more desperate the January Direct becomes!
300k = Zelda U teaser
200k = Zelda U trailer
150k = Zelda U trailer with 2014 release date
100k = Iwata: This is my final direct before stepping down in March...
On the bright side the less the Wii U sells the more desperate the January Direct becomes!
300k = Zelda U teaser
200k = Zelda U trailer
150k = Zelda U trailer with 2014 release date
100k = Iwata: This is my final direct before stepping down in March...
Calamari41
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Yeah, that's where I'm at right now too. I'm not saying its impossible that Mario 3D World sold sub-100k, but I am saying that if it actually did, Nintendo should think seriously about shelving every game currently in development and releasing them instead for the successor. There is no point in releasing Smash Bros or Zelda on this system if a mainline Mario game released in time for Black Friday essentially sold nothing.
Randolph Freelander
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Not exactly. NPD follows a retail calendar, not a monthly calendar, and it is based on weeks. November covers a 4 week period from Sunday, November 3 to Saturday, November 30. The calendar goes 4-4-5 (in weeks), and repeats, so December is a 5 week reporting period. Every few years, January gets a 5th week because of the accumulated extra days in the year (the year is 52 weeks, 1 day, +1 every leap year).
metalslimer
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There is seriously no chance Vita outsells Wii U. If it does, I think my mind will collapse into a black hole.
Vyse The Legend
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That's actually a fair point.
metalslimer
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Watch Dogs is already done. It's not getting cancelled as it would lose them more money than shipping out like 150k copies and never sending another shipment. Also, we're more likely to see NSMBU2 if sales are that bad.
Vyse The Legend
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What? It's VERY possible. Vita costs significantly less, and Amazon and other retailers had a lot of fantastic Vita deals (Walking Dead bundle, etc.). That, coupled with the Vita's remote play features with the PS4, I could easily see it outselling the Wii U.
Aquamarine
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Some people never connect their console to the Internet.
Nintendo / Sony needs a way to track the sell-through of those consoles.
Calamari41
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If Nintendo's answer to horrific sales is a big Nintendo Direct, then they are truly lost. This past year has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Directs are useless.
canadian crowe
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This is totally anecdotal, but I went into my local Best Buy a week ago and they had about 50 Wii Us (mario and Zelda bundles). I went in yesterday and they had 7 Zelda bundles. There was a $50 off sale, so that might have sold them.
Father_Brain
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However, Wii U selling less than Vita did last year is entirely possible, which would still be pretty astonishing.
metalslimer
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Vita has been completely dead all year. There were bundles but they haven't been advertised at all. I would be extremely surprised if it hit 149k.
This is true. Of course if sales are even less than Pachter suspects, all bets are off but I can't fathom Wii U selling like 115k in November.
On my side, my nearest Best Buy always has lots of Wii Us available, Xbox Ones and PS4s were out of stock.
It's been similar in the two gamestops near me. Either way I don't think anectodal information will shed much light in the situation.
TechnicPuppet
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That's a real shame, time for plan B surely.
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