....I laughed at this more than I should.
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Wii U US November Sales Estimated at 149K by Pachter
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....I laughed at this more than I should.
The Abominable Snowman
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Skyrim Zelda would save Wii U. Do it.
Or Pokemon RPG using Wii U-level assets.
God please Nintendo. Please. God.
Or Pokemon RPG using Wii U-level assets.
God please Nintendo. Please. God.
metalslimer
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True. Anecodatally though, it seems kind of hard to believe Pachter's 150k expectation.
If you mean making a Zelda with a huge world than hell yes. Hell no to Skyrim's dungeons though.
Can we stop pretending this will have any notable effect on Vita sales? No one gives enough of a shit about remote play to pay over $100 for a seperate device to do it. I guess the bundles are nice, but they've not really done much to help it so far.
That's the very thing I'm excited to start finding out tonight.
If the XB1 is truly relatively available across the US on shelves and the PS4 is as scarce as they say, then we should be seeing the XB1 close to the PS4. If that's not the case, but there are XB1s available... that would not be a good look for MS.
If the PS4 launched with a mil, then sold another mil combining europe with the second shipment, you'd have to imagine that US PS4s are at about 1.25m right now.
If Microsoft has sold 2m, most of those will have been in the US. They'd need to be close in that market for the 2m number to make sense as they aren't as strong in europe, and therefore I can see it happening (something near parity, that is).
ElectricBlanketFire
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Plan B was the Cranky Kong reveal.
canadian crowe
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Yeah I don't expect this to be any sort of indication of sale, I just found it odd that they sold so many.
Vyse The Legend
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No. It's proven that the content of those Directs was not good enough.
For example, Super Mario 3D World got a terrible unveil on a Direct, and it took people until October to realize the game might actually be good.
metalslimer
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Yeah and the people that would drop that much money this holiday for Sony products probably already have a Vita.
W101 had an amazing direct and it completely bombed. Using them as advertising tools is awful.
I don't know I am not very optimistic about this month's sales, I think Nintendo needs to start a re-branding or a whole new campaign with the Wii U cause the thing its just very unappealing to the entire market.
So, insert a Saw gif with the title "there will be meltdowns" and jig saying "i want to play a game".
Pop-O-Matic
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Fixed.
Vyse The Legend
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Don't be daft.
It's not a system-selling feature by itself, but with the perfect storm of hype from a new console launch (PS4)+PS Plus sales+great Vita sale, I can EASILY see fence sitters taking the leap.
In all honesty the January direct this year - as amazing as it was - both ruined Nintendo's E3 and failed to provide any sales kick at all.
If they do have secrets and surprises planned I would sit on them this time. They will have no effect if revealed to the NDirect crowd who mostly already have WiiUs. 'Preaching to the choir' etc. Of course, if I was in charge, anything not already revealed would be being repurposed as a launch title for the next handheld or console.
Father_Brain
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Eh, it'll mostly stop when there are a few months' worth of hardware sales figures proving otherwise.
Vyse The Legend
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Pretty much every Platinum Game bombs. I'm convinced nothing can give them good sales.
canadian crowe
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Call me an optimist but I still think nintendo can turn it around without scrapping the WiiU.
It might be underpowered, but it's a good console.
Maybe once the lustre of the new consoles wears off and they are readily available, people will make a decision based on games and price and lean towards the WiiU a bit more.
It might be underpowered, but it's a good console.
Maybe once the lustre of the new consoles wears off and they are readily available, people will make a decision based on games and price and lean towards the WiiU a bit more.
metalslimer
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How many people do you actually think are on the fence in the west?
Nothing has bombed like W101. The Nintendo Direct advertising method is a bust
I think the point still stands, Nintendo Directs are fine, but they should not be in any way the only form of exposure a game gets. Wonderful 101 deserved much more than just the Director's Direct.
Perhaps. It's tricky to say how many people will buy them because of the PS4. Given how poorly the Vita has been selling, even a small bump would be noticeable.
Vyse The Legend
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Let's not ask impossible, unreasonable questions.
Instead, let's ask this one: Are there enough fence sitters to make the Vita outsell the Wii U in November?
Considering we are only talking about 100-200k people at most for this to happen, the answer is yes.
ViewtifulJC
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To be fair, nothing has bombed like the Wii-U either(at least for Platinum Games titles)
NotoriousPUG
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I don't think I've posted in this thread, but it has one of the best, if not the best 2D Mario's in NSMBU + great DLC, a top 3 3D Mario, the best Pikmin, an HD remake of one of the best Zelda's, Wonderul 101, etc. It also has good graphics (for a Nintendo console) and a rather traditional controller. It has access to both the Wii and Wii U's virtual console. Old BC if you're into Wii games (I'm not.) Smash is one the way soon with Mario Kart and while we don't know their quality yet, if they follow suit with the rest of their games they could be some of the best in the series.
outunderthestars
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A niche game from a company that makes niche games that is exclusive to a console that nobody wants bombed? Not sure how any marketing strategy could have changed that game's fate.
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Its a good way to showcase what you are working on.
It's not like they have any other avenues...if things are as bad as some think, then they can't exactly afford to wait for E3.
A Nintendo Direct is actually a good way to drop some new games and hopefully get the word out to those waiting.
Sure mostly Nintendo fans watch them but the news that come from them are often on other sites. I am sure if they announce Zelda, IGN and such will have news, trailers and more on it.
Thanks!
Those aggregate results seem pretty reasonable -- assuming Pachter is wrong as per usual.
god I hate seeing his name in thread titles
gamergirly
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You know, you bring up a good point. If Wii U sold as bad as people thought, Reggie would have showed off more than Cranky to such an audience. They internally already would've had Black Friday and November sales by the time VGX rolled around.
But they didn't. Curious and curiouser
velvet_nitemare
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metalslimer
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Ok but then you have to narrow it down to people who also have bought PS4s and are willing to spend a lot of extra money. But we'll see once the numbers come in how negligible effect this will have
outunderthestars
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Nintendo Direct videos do a great job of preaching to the choir, but don't really reach wider audiences very well.
There is no perfect storm. There is (basically) no one sitting on the fence. Great deals didn't exactly set the charts on fire before either.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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It's sold out at the Gamecube Hut.
Vyse The Legend
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Unless you're omniscient, you realize how silly it is to speak on behalf of millions of people, right?
gamergirly
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I was referring to what I saw on Black Friday only. And minus Best Buy since they had stacks of Wii Us AND 360s and PS3s
Nope, I'm just using common sense.
I am sure any big news mainly ones that would "save" the Wii U in a sense (i.e would normally make noise at E3 or something) will get pushed by the press.
and even so...what else do you want them to do? Just sit on their ass and wait until fucking June for E3 to announce things? They gotta do something...
I actually think the directs are one of the better ideas Nintendo has had in a while...I wish Sony did something like that..it gives some press to games that would normally be hype reel fodder at best...if done right.
Isn't kind of the same you are doing with this post?
We really can't know with accuracy how many people would be on the fence unless we had purchase polls or survey data.
*cough* Metal Gear Rising *cough*
I don't mean to be rude, but what makes you say that its a good console? Because it has a couple of games you like (a fair opinion) or because of the overall picture? Are you comparing it to the other consoles and Nintendo's previous consoles? Because I feel like if you do that it comes off poorly in all major areas.
-Poor value for money compared to competition both above (PS4) and below (PS360), far more expensive than Nintendo consoles usually are.
-Poor innovation (the majority of the games have found no real use for the gamepad at all)
-Poor third party support; close to no 3rd party exclusives, with few ports, and many that are there are worse than last gen versions
-Poor genre coverage, with sports and shooters particularly poorly served
-Poor online services, including lack of basic account features, plus many first party titles lacking online features like multiplayer and a few third party titles not receiving DLC and/or updates either on time or at all
-Poor OS which needed multiple updates to fix the slow speed
-Probably Nintendo's weakest ever 'first year' of releases for a home platform. The comparison with Gamecube is particularly unflattering.
I just can't see how people think it's a 'good console'. IMO it's the worst Nintendo has produced (and yes, that's a high standard) and the market has responded accordingly.
prag16
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There's no way that'll happen. If it did my mind would follow metalslimers into that same black hole, along with many other people here. I think you grossly overestimate it's appeal as an expensive remote play client (not to mention it's appeal as a standalone gaming device).
Graphics Horse
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I would be very surprised if Vita outsells Wii U. And for perfect companion devices, don't they need to hurry up and implement the PS3's vita support features to PS4 already?
Wii U is doomed no matter what.
Wii U sells to Pachter's prediction - Doomed
Wii U sells more than Pachter's prediction, but still not better than PS3/360 - Doomed: it can't even beat old consoles.
Wii U beats 360/PS3 but not PS4 / XB1 - Doomed: it is already losing to the PS4 / XB1 after a year head start.
Wii U beats everything - Doomed: it's a fluke, supply constraints for other consoles etc. etc.
None of these scenarios, even the most outlandishly implausible ones, will make the Wii U less doomed on NeoGAF.
My personal opinion is that it is the best "new" hardware to buy right now, and will have the best lineup of exclusives in 2014, but I think the sales data is going to make it clear that I'm in the minority here. Regardless, I look forward to enjoying those games. * I also don't believe that Nintendo will abandon this hardware, but would rather ride it out even if it's doing poorly so that they can hope to stay in the home console business next time around.
velvet_nitemare
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Fair enough.
And what would? Press releases like all other companies do when it's not E3? Those come right after the Direct.
I'll give you online services, third party support and genre coverage. OS is fixed so it shouldn't really be a factor. Innovation is relative, I find the Wii U very innovative and you could argue better value for money than say Xbox One.
However, I will not agree wioth the weakest ever first year of releases. While the first six months after the launch were dry, the games Nintendo have released are top notch, and I mean absolute top notch...among the best ever.
Vyse The Legend
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Common sense?
Not really. I'm simply arguing that in a country with 300 million people, that it's not unreasonable to think 100-200k of them could conceivably want a Vita.
AGoodODST, on the other hand, is arguing that no one in the world could possibly want a Vita, which is silly.
Like I said, almost every game, and that one didn't bomb due to Metal Gear.
PhoenixDark
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I disagree. They didn't show anything interesting because they don't have anything interesting to show (to that audience). SSB isn't ready to be shown and neither is Zelda. Reggie looked rather agitated by Geoff's "this is it?" tone, but he also looked agitated in general about the WiiU's position. We have seen PR releases from Sony and MS already. If Mario had spurred WiiU sales we would have heard about it by now.
I think the system will have at least sold 200k for Nobember, but regardless it will be outsold by both next gen consoles as well as the 360 and PS3.
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